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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
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SoldnerKei
Member
Just saw that, since it makes Link a little more safer on shields, is a pretty big deal.
I thought he didn't got anything but mostly because I tested damage values, good to know he got buffed.
oh Dark Link, what a magnificent beast.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That could be good news. I'm concerned that it could lead people to become more campy with their characters because they don't want to make the risky moves. I guess it's something that we could keep our eyes out for future tournaments to see any changes.
The players is definitely going to change the gameplay and how they play with their characters.
Pretty much, yeah.
Oh, man. I'm scared now! XD
yooo
Blackquill
Member
I'm ready
Well, that's some bullshit.
I never had anything against the guy, just wanted him to lose for the "underdog" factor (that being everyone else lol) and for the game to move on.
Now he's gotta go down.
Asshole
Savage.
ShinRPGamer
Member
So because I've never won a tourney, I don't know shit?
...Somebody please take him down. I don't care who just do it.
Oh hey you're back!
Universal shield stun change is interesting; was asking for this kind of thing for a while. I was always of the opinion some characters needed a lot less than others though. We'll see what happens I guess; already seeing (possibly really stupid) setups.
The idea of my long range sword main being safer on block is more than a little motivating. Already have some possibly disgusting Shulk setups in my head too...
The idea of my long range sword main being safer on block is more than a little motivating. Already have some possibly disgusting Shulk setups in my head too...
If he's actually serious with that post, then...
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I wouldn't worry guys, EE is here to sooth your souls with wise words in response to this recent "lolZeRo" moment.
:^)
:^)
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I don't really take Zero seriously since he was all if you use Bowser just use Sheik.
I think this only worked because Rosalina edge cancelled the move. You can see her move back a bit before doing the smash attack.
Rosalina is Edge-Canceling to move out of her Jab-combo. She can't just through it out anywhere.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Those Mewtwo changes though.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
lmao, apparently when you shield Yoshi's dair shieldstun forces you to shield the whole thing, so either you're getting broke or you pray it pokes through or ends early.
Big changes are gonna be coming from this.
Big changes are gonna be coming from this.
Blackquill
Member
Let's 1v1 to see how much it affects the game.
I will use Jigglypuff or Yoshi.
Anyone ?
I will use Jigglypuff or Yoshi.
Anyone ?
Could you move your shield during it to deliberately let it poke through?
RomanceDawn
Member
I'm reading all the responses but I'm not sure I understand what the new shield changes mean. Is it that shields break easier and when getting struck while shielding you get stunned longer?
I need a super dumbed down explanation.
I need a super dumbed down explanation.
TheDinoman
Member
In addition, did anyone else notice the new brackets in Tourney Mode?
For one thing, you can now partake in 1v1 Custom Glory tournies that actually disable equipment, only allowing custom specials. I also noticed a lot of For Glory Battlefield tournies now.
If you're a Palutena player like me, the former is a godsend.
For one thing, you can now partake in 1v1 Custom Glory tournies that actually disable equipment, only allowing custom specials. I also noticed a lot of For Glory Battlefield tournies now.
If you're a Palutena player like me, the former is a godsend.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Gimr suggested that as an option but I'm not home to test at the moment
Also, I hear Bowser Bomb is a guaranteed shield break if they shield the second hit.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Funny that ZeRo would say other people don't know what they're talking about when he has sub-par knowledge of 90% of the cast, but the tweet is deleted now anyway.
I don't know what this will help. Maybe guaranteed shield break on crossup for Ryu, almost zero reason for Greninja to ever use shield. We'll have to see which characters git gud and which get screwed.
I don't know what this will help. Maybe guaranteed shield break on crossup for Ryu, almost zero reason for Greninja to ever use shield. We'll have to see which characters git gud and which get screwed.
Shamrock7r
Member
To an extent. You can also be extremely knowledgable in other ways as well.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The increase in shieldstun is only gonna make the meta much more offensive oriented. Sakurai seems to have taken to heart the complaints that the game was too defensive-minded. This is a good thing.
Shamrock7r
Member
Agreed. It's going to take some time to get over habits of doing everything out of shield. Overall, this will force people to attack more if they want to be successful
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Luma being able to act while Rosalina is being grabbed, aka the most broken shit to grace this game, has apparently returned. If it's not a mistake and doesn't get fixed soon then
no thanks
no thanks
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
With shieldstun increased that means that grabbing won't be the center focus of the metagame. It's gonna make characters with tether grabs a lot more viable now.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
When you shielded a move before, you were able to almost immediately perform another action. This made shielding very safe, and it was not uncommon to see players wait for a bait to perform a grab into whatever (think Hoo Has). What they did now is that you are stucking into shielding after you get hit for a little longer, like it was in Melee and 64. This encourages people to try to break your shield or poke you through it as it gets smaller. It's a huge change in how Smash 4 is played at the high levels.
SoldnerKei
Member
Hopefully they go the route of 'learn to power shield and punish accordingly' rather than the 'run like crazy and avoid being hit/shielding'.
I am really want to see how this turns out on the long shot, maybe it ends up getting rolled back, maybe it's here to stay.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I just worry that things will end up being more campy in the long run. If shielding becomes more risk than reward and players can punish every other method of defense, the best strategies may end up being campfests as everyone tries for hit confirms and is too afraid to approach each other.
Time will tell though, and I doubt the game will devolve like that.
wtf man
how do you add that back
that has to be intentional
Time will tell though, and I doubt the game will devolve like that.
wtf man
how do you add that back
that has to be intentional
On one hand, needing to powershield to get significant punishes is an interesting change that opens the door to jump in mixups like empty jump jab, late bowser bombs and other things that would otherwise just lose to someone sitting in shield.
On the other hand, I don't think I ever want to play this game online again.
On the other hand, I don't think I ever want to play this game online again.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
It's how Melee and 64 worked. Nobody would argue those games are campfests.
edit: the shieldstun is actually bigger than it was in Melee now: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...shield_stun_andor_shield_hit_lag_have/cvjdzsn
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
The issue with that logic is that offense in 64 was ridiculously strong, even more than in Melee, and there were only two defensive options: shielding and rolling.
Melee had so many movement techniques and options out of shield, plus varying shield strengths and air dodges put you in helpless so defense was still unfavorable when you faced a Fox that could multishine your shield to poke you or just go for a grab.
Sm4sh has limited shield options, and offense already wasn't as strong as in previous games. I would've preferred increased shield damage and lessened shield recovery when it's down, but that's me. It's really hard to predict what's gonna happen with Sm4sh, and honestly I don't know where the game is headed at this point. All we can do is wait and see.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
IIRC Big House won't be using the new patch, they'll still be on 1.1.0.
I thought that was a cool feature of Rosalina -- it makes her unique from most other characters.
I'm awful with Rosalina anyway, especially in free-for-all, so I need all the help I can get. =P
Oh. : <
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Tournaments pretty much use the patch that was current while the event was being planned.
She's already unique by having Luma. Greninja being able to cancel moves with Shadow Sneak was a cool and unique feature and that didn't stop them from removing it. Twice.
She's already unique by having Luma. Greninja being able to cancel moves with Shadow Sneak was a cool and unique feature and that didn't stop them from removing it. Twice.