Yea, rough way to go!
Usually we have better connection than that, so hopefully later if your brother stops watching videos we can play some more
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
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Yea, rough way to go!
Usually we have better connection than that, so hopefully later if your brother stops watching videos we can play some more
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
So basically i can spam usmash even more than before?
This explains so much
This explains so much
Thanks for the run down on the actual formula karst. I simplified on my mind earlier so high % more shield stun and low % not much change.
Sadly.. Yes
With doc? Yes
Sadly.. Yes
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Does anyone here honestly believe Doc is low-tier, even before Nairo vs. Esam @ MLG?
Doc, who has the same frame data as Mario for every attack they share?
Doc, whose up-B can kill, comes out on frame 3, has a massive hitbox and is one of the best out-of-shield options in the game?
Doc, whose up-B travels less distance than Mario and therefore he's complete and total garbage?
Please, someone give me an argument beyond "lol mac-tier recovery."
Doc, who has the same frame data as Mario for every attack they share?
Doc, whose up-B can kill, comes out on frame 3, has a massive hitbox and is one of the best out-of-shield options in the game?
Doc, whose up-B travels less distance than Mario and therefore he's complete and total garbage?
Please, someone give me an argument beyond "lol mac-tier recovery."
Karsticles
Member
Glad to help! Also, I don't know if people have solidified what happened with shields. Remember when you said they were 50HP before? Well, Smashboards seems to think shields have ALWAYS been 40HP, but everyone assumed they were 50HP. Instead, shield damage on all moves was increased in 1.1.1.
I wouldn't even put Doc's up B in the top 10 OoS moves in the game.
Is it just me, or are Doc's pills worse than Mario's fireballs? They bounce way too high.
I don't have an opinion on his tier placement. I hardly ever play against him.
I do think that people have a tendency to rate any character that perceived as a weaker clone as total garbage, though.
Yeah about shields I caught that in smashboards as Zap mentioned it. Seems like it always was 42 hp, however nobody knows what different that's causing them to break easier than before.
Fuck Sakurai for hiding everything from players though
Fuck Sakurai for hiding everything from players though
I don't think he's low tier but there's two things that distinguish them. Air mobility and knockback. And both of those hurt his combo game which is the established meta. Air mobility then hurts his recovery significantly but the knockback makes up for it with kill power. He's worse than Mario but has the tools to be more effective than him basically but you need to be a me to outplay your opponent and don't get yourself off stage constantly. If you're a better player doc will give better rewards but if you're not, well you're gonna be at a bigger disadvantage.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Regarding the first point, what makes you say that? I think it's pretty good given its properties.
Doc's pills bounce a bit higher and only last for two bounces versus Mario's three. They've got different utilities, but Doc definitely can't go Luigi on people.
At least everyone thinks Marth and Lucina are equally bad :^) [this is a joke don't kill me]
Karsticles
Member
On a list of up B OoS options, maybe, but when you are competing with all the various Nair and Fair OoS options, it isn't particularly noteworthy. It's really unsafe, the good hitbox is close up, and it has limited angling.Regarding the first point, what makes you say that? I think it's pretty good given its properties.
Doc's pills bounce a bit higher and only last for two bounces versus Mario's three. They've got different utilities, but Doc definitely can't go Luigi on people.
At least everyone thinks Marth and Lucina are equally bad :^) [this is a joke don't kill me]
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
The new shield mechanics are great for Aerial Bowser Bomb.
Guaranteed shield breaks outside of a perfect shield.
Guaranteed shield breaks outside of a perfect shield.
Professor Beef
Banned
Ganondorf can now easily spam upsmash because of the shield changes, too.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Professor Beef
Banned
It's now guaranteed to be safe on shield instead of 90% guaranteed.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I've made it to top 8 of a weekly in my region using Ike and Doc.
Guess I'm a Mid-Tier Hero?
Guess I'm a Mid-Tier Hero?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Nope, met my demise to the top Sheiks in the region. :/ It's not worth playing that matchup with Doc or Ike, so I'm keeping Fox around for that.
Now to relearn Fox...
Now to relearn Fox...
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That was great one. I didn't even thought about it.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
So quiet here...
RadioJoNES64
Banned
Not anymore.
Anyone else think Smash NX simply be the same game as Smash 4 at its core? Since Sakurai probably isn't going to work on it, I doubt whoever develops it will take many creative liberties.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
They're busy playing the new Game of the Generation, Woolly World.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm playing Mario Maker for first time. Yeah, I'm behind with the games. :|
Pshhhh I haven't even bought Wooly World or Mario Maker. After buying Splatoon and getting an hour in before going back to Smash I learned my lesson. There's no hurry, those games will still be there when I finally get fed up with Bowser not being good enough to be truly competitive and finally quit Smash.
Waluigilicious
Member
My brother has improved a lot lately and he's labelled as the best ness in the UK by a lot of people. If anyone wants to challenge him on twitch he's on right now www.twitch.tv/0kay_mert
Geminosity
Member
Heh, I went to poke Oast, the best Ness I know in scotland but when I looked on the stream they were already there XD
Waluigilicious
Member
Yepp they've had 4 games smashbound won 3-1 I believe. Very fun stuff!
Geminosity
Member
I couldn't even keep track of which one was which @.@
Waluigilicious
Member
Final Destination doesn't help
Where are you in the UK standing huh? Embarrassing
I'd live to but South America here so uhm lag
Waluigilicious
Member
Where are you in the UK standing huh? Embarrassing
I'd live to but South America here so uhm lag
Aw you can try if you like.
If you're asking about me personally then I'm not good at all
Really? That's kinda odd, usually the sibling can measure up to the other one. Bummer I guess.Aw you can try if you like.
If you're asking about me personally then I'm not good at all
I'm not home yet so can't challenge him (thank god cause eff Ness
)Waluigilicious
Member
Really? That's kinda odd, usually the sibling can measure up to the other one. Bummer I guess.
I'm not home yet so can't challenge him (thank god cause eff Ness
Melee I was better
Brawl we were equal
Smash 4...he went crazy. He hit a new level. It's not that I got any worse, I've always been at the same level (good casually but worst at tournament settings). Maybe because I'm older I don't have the time to put in the commitment needed and my mind is full with other things
Poltergust
Member
I'm really excited for Smash the Record this weekend. So many events to participate in!
To add onto that, one of the presenters of the thing is FIEA, which is the graduate program I'm currently in. I find that to be really remarkable.
To add onto that, one of the presenters of the thing is FIEA, which is the graduate program I'm currently in. I find that to be really remarkable.
Wyndstryker
Member
Top tier bowser right here
thecoolFNF
Member
Anyone want to play?
I'm down. Nnid: bark252
thecoolFNF
Member
OK sent request. I'll make the room
Aight room's up so join whenever
Wyndstryker
Member
FG confuses me sometimes.
Opponent 1 : a
Opponent 2: B
Opponent 3: CC
Opponent 4: DDD
Opponent 5: eevee
Opponent 6: FG
I was going through the alphabet...
Opponent 1 : a
Opponent 2: B
Opponent 3: CC
Opponent 4: DDD
Opponent 5: eevee
Opponent 6: FG
I was going through the alphabet...
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
The For Glory Alphabet Soup challenge? :O
thecoolFNF
Member
GG odinson
GGs! Killer Ryu!
Wyndstryker
Member
Depending on the first letter of the name of your opponent depends on what char you pick?
Would be a unique challenge lol.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
God, I had the worst night on FG yesterday. I just kept getting matched up with these amazing players who totally dominated me. Smash can be so damn frustrating sometimes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7lPDQrijDw
Honestly, I didn't play super well in this match. I'd been playing this guy on FG for over an hour at this point and had only lost 1 stock so I was pretty much just going on auto-pilot at this point.
But oh my god those 2 kills were sexy!
Honestly, I didn't play super well in this match. I'd been playing this guy on FG for over an hour at this point and had only lost 1 stock so I was pretty much just going on auto-pilot at this point.
But oh my god those 2 kills were sexy!
ShinySylvee
Member
Someone want to practice? Preferably on the west coast I'm looking to get better for Genesis 3. NNID is ShinySylvee
Indeed. Those were fun to watch.
Wyndstryker
Member
Last kill was definitely nice. Diagonal teleports throw everyone off cause no one expects Zelda's to ever land them, much less attempt them.