This attitude irks me.
You know that the gameplay would grow out of proportions if all they did was buff?
Or look at it this way: A nerf is just buffing everything else.
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
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You know that the gameplay would grow out of proportions if all they did was buff?
Or look at it this way: A nerf is just buffing everything else.
Lol of course there's a limit but characters are short of ridiculous in this game. Sheik's needles definitely deserved the nerf but Corrin possible nerfs seem absurd. ZSS' ones are arguable too. I'd rather have them focus on making the bad characters good (more than they do now) instead of making the good characters worse.
Shamrock7r
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Wyndstryker
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So far with what's confirmed for Zelda
Jab buffed: 8% to 11%
Nair buffed: 11% front, 7% back to 15% front, 11% back
U-air buffed: 15% to 17%.
Still double checking on U-air, lots of conflicting reports. Many people are saying it has faster frame data and bigger hitbox.
Jab buffed: 8% to 11%
Nair buffed: 11% front, 7% back to 15% front, 11% back
U-air buffed: 15% to 17%.
Still double checking on U-air, lots of conflicting reports. Many people are saying it has faster frame data and bigger hitbox.
Balancing entails both.
Karsticles
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Supposedly Dair has more recovery.
NamikazeBurst
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It does. Can't run off dair on every stage.
Wyndstryker
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Ohh, Zelda F-tilt is 2 frames faster.
And apparently Mewtwos run is as fast as Sheik.
https://twitter.com/SilentDo0m/status/709965378869456897
And apparently Mewtwos run is as fast as Sheik.
https://twitter.com/SilentDo0m/status/709965378869456897
As for buffs:
Also, Sheik got hit pretty hard with higher KB growth on her two combo throws, worsened nair, less range on her needles and -3 weight (84>81). I wonder how those things will affect her.
Man, MK got his uair damage lowered, launch angle changed and SDI multiplier nerfed from 1.0>1.5. That's probably going to make his bread-and-butter "I kill you at 40% because I'm MK" combo a lot harder to pull off reliably.
- Mewtwo got +2 weight (I think it was in the 70s range, like 74>76)
- Greninja's grab (I think) got buffed by 3 frames (14>11)
- Fixes to Samus' ftilt, nair and fsmash. Her fsmash supposedly no longer whiffs at close range!
- A whole lot of buffs to Kirby (dsmash, usmash and all three hammers)
- Ganondorf damage buffs to jab and downB
- Robin got a faster nosferatu (1 frame) and higher kb on jabs
Also, Sheik got hit pretty hard with higher KB growth on her two combo throws, worsened nair, less range on her needles and -3 weight (84>81). I wonder how those things will affect her.
Man, MK got his uair damage lowered, launch angle changed and SDI multiplier nerfed from 1.0>1.5. That's probably going to make his bread-and-butter "I kill you at 40% because I'm MK" combo a lot harder to pull off reliably.
Karsticles
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Amazing patch in every way. Apparently Sakurai had no idea ZSS and Metaknight had the kill combos off of their up B's until a recent tournament. The man needs to leave his house more often.
Does anyone want to be a gem and make a video of Mewtwo chasing an uncharged Shadowball from full screen now?
Does anyone want to be a gem and make a video of Mewtwo chasing an uncharged Shadowball from full screen now?
Captain Rage Quit 69
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I got you when I get home b, though it will be a while. Unless someone wants to beat me to it? :3
Karsticles
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If it's before 5PM, it's still beating me!
Just link the update thread already.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1197617
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1197617
Captain Rage Quit 69
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Dat speed.
Icyflamez96
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THOSE CHARIZARD BUFFS
So after reading all the patch notes it seems it's a great one. I don't get why Corrin got a speed nerf though...
If a few more characters got buffed the game would be simply incredible IMO. Jiggly could use some love, Robin could get a speed buff (since those seem more common now!), Falco could get one too, at least for his air mobility.
I also love that Yoshi never gets touched, which is fair since he's pretty balanced despite what Smash GAF may say. I hope he gets a good side B in a future game though.
If a few more characters got buffed the game would be simply incredible IMO. Jiggly could use some love, Robin could get a speed buff (since those seem more common now!), Falco could get one too, at least for his air mobility.
I also love that Yoshi never gets touched, which is fair since he's pretty balanced despite what Smash GAF may say. I hope he gets a good side B in a future game though.
Corrin's was to make Dragon Fang Shot followups harder. Otherwise the speed is barely noticable.
Robin is clearly designed to be without a speed buff. They already buffed Robin to have a dthrow -> uair combo that kills most characters at 80%.
Falco could use one though yeah. He can stay slow on the ground but his air mobility could be better.
Jigglypuff seems doomed to be the game's joke character without Pichu around.
I guess that could make sense for Corrin but it feels weird making him/her slower than Ike...
I don't think a small speed buff would break Robin or anything. He's slower than Ganondorf lol.
Dimitri LH
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Fighting with with Samus is not much of a uphill battle anymore.....I'm so happy for her! ;_;
Mewtwo buffs are also amazing, his speed helps so much with pressuring now! I heard My main Lady Palutena got buffed......in what though?
Mewtwo buffs are also amazing, his speed helps so much with pressuring now! I heard My main Lady Palutena got buffed......in what though?
Karsticles
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Her shield attacks make her front invincible.
Karsticles
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1) Learn to short hop into Shadow Ball.
2) If shield is ~half, Nair and Fair are often unblockable.
3) Dtilt is your only ground move worth using 99% of the time; combos to aerials.
4) Don't approach with Bair, it's purely an air-to-air.
5) Confusion doesn't lead to any combos.
6) Jab to Disable.
7) Short hop Fair can let you double jump into a second Fair before landing.
8) Nair is great for gimping, fast fall through them like a wall.
9) You can go under stages.
10) Use Confusion and Teleport when landing to trick up your opponent and stay safe.
Wyndstryker
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I don't see it.
I can't fault him for feeling that way since this directly affects his career, but Sheik had it coming, big time.
I'd feel bad for him but Sheik was just way too good before the patch. A huge percentage of the cast gets nothing from throws at any percentage so I don't see it as a such a big deal. Sheik still has a ridiculous off-stage game that players will have to use more instead of that lame dThrow to uAir combo that won so many tourneys.
We were constantly talking about Sheik getting one of the best projectiles (multi-hit, hard to see, fast, long ranged, can be shot downwards for edgeguarding), those downright ridiculous grab setups and amazingly safe frame dat, on top of getting bouncing fish for this game. She really had all these nerfs coming, and I guess we'll have to see how tier lists shift now that some of the better characters got hit by the nerf hammer to varying degrees.
While I haven't played in quite a while, I'll probably be benching good old Bayo for a while so I can see how Pac has improved now that he has better KO power. I know have a better chance at beating some of you guys with Bayo or Cloud, but I'd really want to find a way to get Pac-Man to work more reliably for me, even if I won't be winning any tourneeys (that I won't be going to, anyway). His unique zoning game is something I didn't know I liked until I saw Abadango do some really cool stuff with him and decided to give him a try, and I've kind of been hooked on to Pac ever since since he's a better zoner than my subpar Duck Hunt, which I wanted to main really hard at the start until I got tired of their strange moveset and realized that cans aren't all that powerful when you start playing better opponents.
While I haven't played in quite a while, I'll probably be benching good old Bayo for a while so I can see how Pac has improved now that he has better KO power. I know have a better chance at beating some of you guys with Bayo or Cloud, but I'd really want to find a way to get Pac-Man to work more reliably for me, even if I won't be winning any tourneeys (that I won't be going to, anyway). His unique zoning game is something I didn't know I liked until I saw Abadango do some really cool stuff with him and decided to give him a try, and I've kind of been hooked on to Pac ever since since he's a better zoner than my subpar Duck Hunt, which I wanted to main really hard at the start until I got tired of their strange moveset and realized that cans aren't all that powerful when you start playing better opponents.
Astral/H3X
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Is it worth picking her up? Always liked the idea of playing her.
Every character is worth picking up.
entremet
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I'm not tier whore by any means. But they at least made her not garbage, which she was before.
I'd recommend asking Boney for advice, since I think he's the one Samus main we've got.
Karsticles
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Seriously. Sakurai should've allowed it to go full Dan and given it aerial taunts, at the very least.
Oh well, 57 out of 58.
Astral/H3X
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I play a solidly B tier character (and that even depends on who you ask), so I'm certainly not a tier whore either. But I *really* don't want to make my already not stellar play even harder for me by playing a character that straight doesn't work haha.
I'll see what I can do with her sometime. I wonder if Turnip mentality will carry over at all.
Running into a lot more Samuses online now, and man, it seems like she has waayyyy more options. I'm losing more to her now but don't really care, as I always fucking hated fighting samuses online that just camp one side of the stage and spam shit while they charge. So awful.
Played a good tlink online. The games were close, but this player was way better than me. The speed and length of toon link's tether grab out of shield is fucking nuts. No approach is safe with Lucas. Anyone have tips for this matchup?
Played a good tlink online. The games were close, but this player was way better than me. The speed and length of toon link's tether grab out of shield is fucking nuts. No approach is safe with Lucas. Anyone have tips for this matchup?
Karsticles
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She's alright in Doubles, but the big problem is she just can't win the spacing game.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So uh I think Ike can now Side B -> Up B in air
Karsticles
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As in for recovery?