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Collective Shout is an activist group that bullied Steam and Itch into delisting games via complaining to Visa and Mastercard.

Original Post:
Sweet Baby Inc almost seemed like a False Flag operation to allow Collective Shout to gain power in the Shadows (pls don't get triggered Pete, Wolf and K).

Now we have seen Collective Shout bully both Steam and Itch and it will only get worse as they are just going for the low hanging fruit at the moment.

This is like Jack Thompson 2.0

But this time bigger, better organised and better funded.

 

[Astray]

Spoiler

Call me when they touch something people can actually admit to playing.

 

[Lokaum D+]

What is this collective shout about ?

 

[Rush2112]

This probably getting locked so i'm just gonna say hello to everyone. Hullo!

 

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This probably getting locked so i'm just gonna say hello to everyone

What is making you say it will get locked? We have seen Collective Shout now bully 2 big game distribution platforms in Steam and Itch.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yall always gotta have your Boogeymen. So here we are. Be afraid. Be VERY afraid!

 

[Loomy]

 

[Bernardougf]

SBI and the DEI efforts fucked everything right to the development level and this shit will take years to cleanse... if possible.

 

[diffusionx]

I know why people focused on SBI but there were dozens of companies running the exact same grift. It was never just about them.

 

[mckmas8808]

SBI and the DEI efforts fucked everything right to the development level and this shit will take years to cleanse... if possible.

 

[PeteBull]

Sweet Baby Inc almost seemed like a False Flag operation to allow Collective Shout to gain power in the Shadows (pls don't get triggered Pete, Wolf and K).

Now we have seen Collective Shout bully both Steam and Itch and it will only get worse as they are just going for the low hanging fruit at the moment.

This is like Jack Thompson 2.0

But this time bigger, better organised and better funded.

No idea whats that other one but SBI wasnt the danger/problem, they could exist and i wouldnt care, what i cared about were devs/pubs of actual AAA big budget games who stupidly thought that hiring that useless company and tweaking their games to fit woke agenda will bring them more players/make game more financial success

I fully understand woke zealots and their devotion to wokeism aka religion 2.0, what i dont understand are publishers/finance guys who should run business for profit and not to push agenda which always reduces sales substantially

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

You're missing the fourth option in your poll:
The shitty people pulling their strings.

 

[March Climber]

Yall always gotta have your Boogeymen. So here we are. Be afraid. Be VERY afraid!

For this specific case, Collective Shout has more hard evidence for their direct and traceable impact on the gaming industry, through a rather convenient loophole of the credit industry.

I do find it interesting that this CS entity is doing this under the veil of feminism when research shows that the ones behind it represent opposite values.

 

[Fbh]

I know why people focused on SBI but there were dozens of companies running the exact same grift. It was never just about them.

Yup. The idea that SBI was this shadowy organization that was single handedly forcing every publisher to put DEI stuff in their games was always hilariously dub.
"The enemy" was never SBI to begin with, but the people at these big devs/publishers that actually hired SBI and other similar companies.

 

[realcool]

Sweet Baby Inc almost seemed like a False Flag operation to allow Collective Shout to gain power in the Shadows (pls don't get triggered Pete, Wolf and K).

Now we have seen Collective Shout bully both Steam and Itch and it will only get worse as they are just going for the low hanging fruit at the moment.

This is like Jack Thompson 2.0

But this time bigger, better organised and better funded.

Meanwhile, Visa and Mastercard after not being mentioned once by you:

Spoiler

 

[Kacho]

Sweet Baby Inc almost seemed like a False Flag operation

Nah, they are a very real problem, though greatly diminished after 2024.

Collective Shout is another problem entirely but they're all the same ideology. All of this is intertwined on some level. That's why I say fuck da woke with reckless abandon.

 

[mckmas8808]

For this specific case, Collective Shout has more hard evidence for their direct and traceable impact on the gaming industry, through a rather convenient loophole of the credit industry.

I do find it interesting that this CS entity is doing this under the veil of feminism when research shows that the ones behind it represent opposite values.

Are they doing it under the veil of feminism though? I would hope not!

 

[Zathalus]

Collective Shout easily. SBI just assisted a handful of games, most of which were indies. Didn't like their involvement? Just don't buy the game. Collective Shout is targeting payment processors and is stopping you from purchasing your games that you want to buy. Sure it is lame gooner games at the moment, but is that where it ends?

Obviously the real issue is how payment processors can dictate shit like this worldwide.

 

[March Climber]

Are they doing it under the veil of feminism though? I would hope not!

They are religious christian conservatives.

Collective Shout is another problem entirely but they're all the same ideology. All of this is intertwined on some level. That's why I say fuck da woke with reckless abandon.

And this quick shove into the same blame-corner from the public is exactly what they would want.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Collective Shout

Basically where I'm at.

Is it questionable behavior? Sure. But so are a lot of the "games" affected by this, lmao.

 

[semiconscious]

Are they doing it under the veil of feminism though? I would hope not!

well, it'd certainly appear so: https://www.collectiveshout.org/history

 

[Wastelander92]

An enemy the left and right can both unite against.

 

[nemiroff]

I don't care. What non-monopoly private businesses do with their products, or what lobbyists they listen to, is pretty much a nothing-burger. I feel sorry for those who has this living rent free in their heads.

Payment networks, banks etc. on the other hand... Yeah, that's real power that needs to be kept as neutral as possible within common reason.

 

[graywolf323]

Collective Shout isn't anything new, we've had groups like that since the 90s & they never achieved anything on their own

the problem is the payment processors

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

They're both bad. You don't have to pick sides, you can just hate.

 

[GigaBowser]

cruders hurted gaming

 

[Lillie]

someone send me a steam curator group when it's ready please so i can avoid games

 

[March Climber]

someone send me a steam curator group when it's ready please so i can avoid games

Not the same thing. This group is getting games removed. There is no creativity or consultation here to block or avoid, it's just destructive behavior.

 

[Loomy]

Banks.

Banks are what's fucking you over right now.

Not some activist boogieman group. Nothing 'woke'.

The same people who forced Pornhub to remove unverified content, and almost forced Onlyfans to remove all sexual content are the ones responsible here. You think JP Morgan, Vanguard, or Blackrock care about a dumb little petition?

 

[ReBurn]

 

[IAmRei]

There are always bigger catch out there, they could only the surface, or tips of the iceberg behind

 

[poppabk]

What is making you say it will get locked? We have seen Collective Shout now bully 2 big game distribution platforms in Steam and Itch.

They didnt bully Steam and Itch.io they just gave game information to the payment processors. The payment processors already had rules in place that banned this stuff so it was just an automated response at that point.

 

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You're missing the fourth option in your poll:
The shitty people pulling their strings.

And who are the true masterminds then?

 

[nemiroff]

They are religious christian conservatives.

Wait, I just realized, that must be a nightmarish dilemma for a certain group of people.

And who are the true masterminds then?

For the most part our vivid imaginations.

 

[March Climber]

Wait, I just realized, that must be a nightmarish dilemma for a certain group of people.

They were destined to eventually clash.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Collective Shout easily. SBI just assisted a handful of games, most of which were indies. Didn't like their involvement? Just done buy the game. Collective Shout is targeting payment processors and is stopping you from purchasing your games that you want to buy. Sure it is lame gooner games at the moment, but is that where it ends?

Obviously the real issue is how payment processors can dictate shit like this worldwide.

Collective Shout is a scapegoat, this is on the banks and the payment processors. Follow the money.

 

[Aenima]

DEI groups like Sweet Baby has been much more damaging to the gaming idustry than a group of Feminazis snitching on payment entities. Collective Shout will never achieve nothing by themselves, they lean on other entities to try achieve any goals, they are just snitches pointing fingers. Groups like Sweet Baby are infiltrated in game development, even when thers no organized groups, some devs share the same idiology. Even Sweet Baby groups are not the real problem, the real problem is a woke hive mind idiology trying to push agendas to fill up DEI checkboxes. From DEI hiring where the color of your skin or sexual orientation is more important than your talent, to forcing artistic changes both in character design and storytelling for the sake of Diversity and Inclusion. Main reason the western media has gone to shit. From movies to tv series and videogames. All has been afected.
If the credit card entities like Visa and Mastercard didnt had a set of rules stablished, whatever Collective Shout is trying to deplatform, Steam would not give a fuck. This censoring made by credit card entities has been an ongoing problem for some time that has afected mainly manga and japanese stores, some of them were forced to close down for not having viable payment options.

 

[Dorfdad]

No idea whats that other one but SBI wasnt the danger/problem, they could exist and i wouldnt care, what i cared about were devs/pubs of actual AAA big budget games who stupidly thought that hiring that useless company and tweaking their games to fit woke agenda will bring them more players/make game more financial success

I fully understand woke zealots and their devotion to wokeism aka religion 2.0, what i dont understand are publishers/finance guys who should run business for profit and not to push agenda which always reduces sales substantially

Lawsuits probably

 

[AZRoboto]

lol at being afraid of everything for every reason

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

they already protected their twitter account. We are winning

 

[thismeinteil]

They are religious christian conservatives.


And this quick shove into the same blame-corner from the public is exactly what they would want.

I'm sorry, but where is that info coming from? Their site reads like a feminist love letter and I see no mention of religion.

 

[kiphalfton]

They are religious christian conservatives.


And this quick shove into the same blame-corner from the public is exactly what they would want.

Imagine how disruptive the woke crowd could be if they joined forces with religious Christian conservatives.

Good thing they're too busy butting heads.

 

[thismeinteil]

Imagine how disruptive the woke crowd could be if they joined forces with religious Christian conservatives.

Good thing they're too busy butting heads.

After doing some research, these are not Conservative Christians. These are the same woke people as before. People need to learn that just because a group calls themselves Christian (Collective Shout doesn't, but one of the founder's other group does) doesn't mean that they actually believe in what the Bible teaches or are Conservative. Wolves in sheep's clothing and all that.

What surprises me is how quickly the credit card companies bowed down to an open letter.

 

[March Climber]

I'm sorry, but where is that info coming from? Their site reads like a feminist love letter and I see no mention of religion.

Here, you can read up about the founder:

Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wolves in sheep's clothing and all that.

I agree, this is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I'm not here to paint a broad brush stroke and blame all of conservatives or christianity groups for what this person and her group is doing. My issue is specifically with this group alone and how they're framing it. It seems to be working.

 

[Aenima]

they already protected their twitter account. We are winning

Unfortunatly we are far from winning. These are just rats that went back to the hole they crawled from. The problem is the payment processors dictating what ppl can buy or not. And unlike the DEI retardation where ppl can just vote with they wallet and let them fail, these MOFOs are holding our wallets.

 

[small_law]

Collective shout looks like a bunch of AWFLs with daycare laptop jobs...

 

[ZehDon]

Two branches of the same tree, really.

One wants to dictate what you're allowed to create and sell.
One wants to dictate what creations you're allowed to buy.
The goal is still the same: circumventing legal freedoms to control what other people do against their will.

The irony is that the right tried to control people and what they think back during the moral panics of 80s and 90s, and only really succeeded in creating better ratings systems, which I actually think is a good thing. This time around, they've gotten a little smarter, and are using independent payment processors who currently have the right to not engage in business with other partners at their discretion. Ultimately, I think this will force new legal precedent where, if its products are considered legal by a country's Government, a payment processor cannot refuse to accept payments from an established business partner in this way.
Now it's the left trying to control what people think, and they've decided on the "moral panic" route by inserting themselves as "consultants" to force creatives to do what they're told. And they're leaving broken publishers, bankrupt studios, and growing consumer backlash in their wake. As people should've finally learned back in the 90s, people don't like being told what to think - by anyone.
When the American Christian nutjobs tried to ban video games and D&D, they succeeded only in forcing courts to rule on their protection to prevent them from ever going away. I suspect the same thing will ultimately happen here. It'll just take a while for the courts to finally get to a case that establishes the precedent.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Imagine how disruptive the woke crowd could be if they joined forces with religious Christian conservatives.

Good thing they're too busy butting heads.

The best thing about this is that they both share an irrational fear of a single individual as the core tenet of the whole thing, with Satan for christians and Hitler for wokeys. You might say one is imaginary while the other isn't, but I'd point out to the contradiction that wokeys also hate jews.

 

[poppabk]

After doing some research, these are not Conservative Christians. These are the same woke people as before. People need to learn that just because a group calls themselves Christian (Collective Shout doesn't, but one of the founder's other group does) doesn't mean that they actually believe in what the Bible teaches or are Conservative. Wolves in sheep's clothing and all that.

What surprises me is how quickly the credit card companies bowed down to an open letter.

Think you have it backwards - the founder is a pro-life 'think of the children' Christian hiding within the woke feminism movement they share some of the same goals.

 

[phant0m]

Collective Shout easily. SBI just assisted a handful of games, most of which were indies. Didn't like their involvement? Just done buy the game. Collective Shout is targeting payment processors and is stopping you from purchasing your games that you want to buy. Sure it is lame gooner games at the moment, but is that where it ends?

Obviously the real issue is how payment processors can dictate shit like this worldwide.

My question is why payment processors give a fuck what they have to say anyway. Like, nobody's gonna NOT use Visa/MC because they process payments for itch.