Power projection costs money, none of those other countries have anywhere near the power projection capabilities of the US. Your military isn't more inept because it has the ships to actually you know... fight anywhere it wants to.
Syria launches fresh airstrikes from the base USA bombed
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Power projection costs money, none of those other countries have anywhere near the power projection capabilities of the US. Your military isn't more inept because it has the ships to actually you know... fight anywhere it wants to.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Trump is legit gonna get us killed holy shit.
Fulminator
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Projecting power via airstrikes or invading some third world country sure. Starting a large scale invasion with millions of troops on the other side of the world? I'd like to see that.
kingkaiser
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US military is like a twelve inch dick that needs heavy support to get at least semi-erect.
But hey, it's huge.
But hey, it's huge.
It is used to avoid friendly fire during air strikes, and the US sent over twelve thousand of those against ISIS targets within Syria just in 2016.
Don't worry, though. Russia just severed the declonfliction channel with the US:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-agrees-maintain-deconfliction-channel-us-syria-strikes/
Nah, you're dick waving and badly at that.
It's Su-22, hard enough dirt road should do.
djplaeskool
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We just launched half of the annual budget of the NEA and the NEH in like 5 minutes...
Regulus Tera
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80 million USD wasted on nothing but hey our healthcare system is totally fucked still!
FreedomFighter
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Yeah, it's just a massive racket with returns diminished a long time ago. That's why it doesn't make sense to equate military performance with military budget. I mean, why even spend several billions of dollars on sitting duck aircraft carriers (like this one that doesn't work) anyways?
Our military budget didn't give us anymore success in Afghanistan against a bunch of mountain boys. And this with collecting all telecoms communication and having total air superiority.
Guess, you are right. The US has never done large scale invasion on the other side of the world before...They have over 200 military bases around the world for peaceful sightseeing purposes...
PolarGamer
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It's funny. Some people think that the president who fucked up almost every day for 12 weeks or so, suddenly came up with a brilliant idea.
Wtf was the strike supposed to accomplish? Some airfield gets bombed a bit and then?
Trump needed a win and a show of force to look tough on Russia. How brilliant wasn't it to hit their ally Syria, but apparently not really damage anything inportant or commit any serious force, military or diplomatic, to fix the situation.
How people can applaud the strike without any other effort, is really unbelievable.
Wtf was the strike supposed to accomplish? Some airfield gets bombed a bit and then?
Trump needed a win and a show of force to look tough on Russia. How brilliant wasn't it to hit their ally Syria, but apparently not really damage anything inportant or commit any serious force, military or diplomatic, to fix the situation.
How people can applaud the strike without any other effort, is really unbelievable.
I really don't know why you're all hung up on this ~$70 million number. The US military would cost us over a billion dollars a day without lifting a finger. $70 million worth of tomahawk missiles that were made years ago and will eventually be disassembled and scraped if they don't get used is the least important thing to take from this.
I don't believe Hillary's stance is that there's a negligible risk of retaliation from Russia if we attack them in Syria
LizardKing
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If you think so you should probably evaluate why you are feeling salty because I'm just stating a fact that no one who is even somewhat informed will disagree with. You don't need to feel jealous of other militaries just because they are more powerful. I'm for downsizing anyway.
FreedomFighter
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If only you read further.
No, that makes you no more capable of swiftly and decisively winning a war or we wouldn't be in Iraq and especially Afghanistan still. And what goal posts? Sounds like you just don't like this opinion tbh. Fair enough.
Oh yeah i'm real jealous, you are so right. I can't believe we made that orange moron president and not you.
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This is in embarrassing for the USA Army.
If only you didn't spew trolling nonsense then say stuff that is opposite of what you initially said.
Precision strikes.
I have to say, I'm incredibly skeptical of the claims of rampant failure of the Tomahawk Missiles to deliver their payload on target. These devices use a level of GPS that's substantially superior to consumer products, and is accompanied by DSMAC: Digital Scene Matching Area Correlation and TERCOM: Terrain Contour Mapping. They're not just flying to a specific coordinate, they're matching the surrounding terrain to an expected digital terrain map.
If true, the only explanation I would believe to cause this failure is if it were caused by heavy levels of signal jamming and interference or the use of high end air defense systems supplied by the Russian government.
That's great and all but how are these 200 military bases going to help supplying millions of troops trying to march through the muddy russian tundra?
Again we've seen this before with Napoleon and Nazi germany (both superpowers at the time).
Comparing a potential invasion of Russia to Iraq, Vietnam or Afghanistan shows how clueless you are.
LizardKing
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Nation building is an entirely different beast than defeating a military.
Boots on the ground is about the least effective form of military power these days. This isn't the 1940's (where even then it's significance was diminishing.)
jellies_two
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Mercer made a decision to spend a $million on ads in three states to keep Trumps popularity from tanking. Spending 80x that on a firework show for national cable tv is very much more effective.
Bill S. Preston. Esq.
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Ha!
FreedomFighter
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Wow.
Precision strikes.
Fuck that. I don't.
Ok, I'll just leave you be and let you blow off some steam. You're not making any sense at all now.
Also that complexity and amount of tech in them is reason why they are likely to malfunction. They are tested extensively during development, but shit happens.
FreedomFighter
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And I'm just saying the defeating a military part would not go so well against another very capable standing army with supreme air defenses, excellent training, and technical know-how on the same level.
If you think it will be as sweet as invading Iraq, then... I just don't know what to tell you.
Alebrije
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Maybe they use the same antennas as the Joy Cons.
ThoseDeafMutes
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If only 29 tomahawks hit the airbase out of 59, I'd suggest that either they weren't targeted properly (some targeted at other things), or that air defense shot down large numbers of them. 50% failure rate would be phenomenally bad. I'm unsure of if any EW/ECM gear was in use by Assad but I suppose it's at least theoretically possible that the guidance systems were interfered with by the defenders.
Poor GRIMES
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Why are we playing armchair general at all when the likelihood of two world powers attempting to invade one another in 2017 is literally almost impossible
FreedomFighter
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The Philadelphia School District had a deficit of $71 million a few years back. So...
True. I'm leaving it alone now myself.
LizardKing
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I already said it wouldn't go that smoothly. The US wouldn't come away unscathed. But there's also no doubt as to the outcome and it wouldn't be close either. That's the whole point. Russia knows that. They aren't going to go to war with the US. Period. No matter what the US did short of attacking Russia itself. It's suicide.
B
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I like how people think that Trump aimed and fired the tomahawks himself.
#armchairgeneral
#armchairgeneral
Were these numbers ever confirmed?
Watched CNN earlier and they said 60 tomahawks were launched and 59 hit targets on the base.
Why do you like that? And who thinks that?
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https://twitter.com/KoriSchake
https://twitter.com/djrothkopf
https://twitter.com/cheng_christine
https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance
https://twitter.com/brooks_rosa
https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk
https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam
https://twitter.com/KoriSchake
https://twitter.com/djrothkopf
https://twitter.com/cheng_christine
https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance
https://twitter.com/brooks_rosa
https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk
https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam
smokeandmirrors
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The cost thing isn't necessarily the cost persay but the fact that the cost is the amount they want to cut the national endowment for the arts or meals wheels.
Can't afford that but we can afford to miss a runway. ¯\_(ツ
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Can't afford that but we can afford to miss a runway. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯You're the one equating spending money on power projection with being inept, then claiming oh it's totally the same to have a good military that is incapable or barely capable of projecting and one that can. It's a conscious decision, not ineptitude and you clearly know the difference, but are like oh you can't read good sir.
FreedomFighter
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No way failure rate can be that insanely bad. And I don't know that any were shot down - haven't heard anything about that. Really am considering the misses were on purpose.
B
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cause it makes everyone sound dumb. Trump ordered the strike. It's up to everyone else at that point.
damn... China could just brute-force-foot zerg the US.
djplaeskool
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"Never get involved in a land war in Asia."
ThoseDeafMutes
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I don't think it was confirmed but imo 60 missiles was major overkill unless they expected some to not make it or had secondary targets. I guess it's possible they did all hit and it just was overkill.
In 1991, Iraq boasted the 4th largest military in the world that was battle hardened from years of war with Iran. It took the US roughly a month to reduce it to sticks and stones. That was really the last time the full might of our armed forces was unleashed against a well equipped professional military. Since then it's been mostly dealing with insurgencies in heavily populated areas where avoiding collateral damage was prioritized above all else. Meanwhile it's only widened the gap between it and any other military on the planet. Let's not pretend that this incident is indicative of the US military's capabilities.
Our Navy and Airforce would destroy them before they even got past Japan, let alone the west coast.
Nukes are all that really matter when it comes to another super power Fucking with us, our military operation and distance from adversaries basically makes us uninvadable. But once the nukes start going off everyone is completely fucked.
LizardKing
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But for some reason I'm crazy for stating it's power is far superior to everyone else and no one would fuck with it as it would ensure their own destruction.
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