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[scalman]

i liked how he never once in movie called himself a batman. he just said that name one time in move and i didint catched it why... but i like how he dont say it ... its much better ... just better .
watched it week after uncharted . i would see batman again in theatre . wouldnt see uncharted again thats more like netflix movie.
and its not about actor at all ... its all about idea ... story ... its like this is what i always wanted ..some lost boy gritty, hes angry ... thats what about those people should be on movie ... not stupid action things... its emotions , feelings, its reactions , its mistakes and it anger ... we all have anger ... thats what we feel mostly after some shocking stuff...thats how it should be ...
i will be dissapointed if in second batman movie he wont be vengeance anymore....

 

[Hinedorf]

My favorite Batman movie hands down and my favorite comic book movie easily. Felt like I was watching a great Detective Comics arc.

• The movie is an actual DETECTIVE Batman story. Took us 30 years to get this.
• Gotham is amazing. Doesn't look like fucking Chicago. I loved how they used CGI to alter the tops of buildings to make it look like no city we know of.
• I love how it uses the theme like the Jaws theme. You know Batman is coming when you hear it.
• Scaffolding fight >>> Warehouse fight.
• We finally get a Batman who won't kill and won't use guns, and they make that clear more than once.
• I loved how Alfred was both a father figure and the Watson to Bruce's Sherlock.
• Pattison's Batman voice doesn't sound like he smoked a carton of cigarettes a day.
• We finally get a new Batman movie that doesn't have to show us the Wayne's dying again!

This basically describes why I loved Batman comics but always felt like he was the most overrated super hero. At his core in the comics he was nothing more than somebody who used investigation/intelligence to thwart criminals, was never about being super human quite the opposite. I love Nolan's Batman Begins because it's probably the most humanized version of him. You got me pretty curious to see how this goes.

 

[ResilientBanana]

This was by far the best Batman movie I've ever seen.

 

[scalman]

This was by far the best Batman movie I've ever seen.

because it was ... and i saw most of them ..all of them

 

[Thirty7ven]

Standards have really dropped if this is supposed to be a great movie. I get it, it goes for things that you want to see in your Batman, but there’s no tension, characters aren’t well developed, action is sub par, the mystery isn’t very mysterious and the Pg13 rating means every time this movie wants to act like a David Fincher movie, it reminds you it’s wearing kids gloves.

 

[WildBoy]

Better than Begins and Rises. Doesn't beat The Dark Knight in typical terms but does so in terms of being a grounded, surprisingly serious batman film. Would fit at home in the Joker universe which isn't something I thought was possible for a batman film. Zoe was sexy and confident, Pattinson was a revelation and Colin Farrell was unrecognisable. Batman can finally step out of Nolans Shadow and into the light. They've cracked it finally. Bat-fleck was a mistake and so was justice League as a whole.

 

[WildBoy]

Standards have really dropped if this is supposed to be a great movie. I get it, it goes for things that you want to see in your Batman, but there’s no tension, characters aren’t well developed, action is sub par, the mystery isn’t very mysterious and the Pg13 rating means every time this movie wants to act like a David Fincher movie, it reminds you it’s wearing kids gloves.

Don't think we saw the same movie. The film was very tense and the soundtrack blew a whole through my chest. Batman begins was a PG13 that has nothing to do with it. Kids gloves?! That's every MCU film.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

My favorite Batman movie hands down and my favorite comic book movie easily. Felt like I was watching a great Detective Comics arc.

• The movie is an actual DETECTIVE Batman story. Took us 30 years to get this.
• Gotham is amazing. Doesn't look like fucking Chicago. I loved how they used CGI to alter the tops of buildings to make it look like no city we know of.
• I love how it uses the theme like the Jaws theme. You know Batman is coming when you hear it.
• Scaffolding fight >>> Warehouse fight.
• We finally get a Batman who won't kill and won't use guns, and they make that clear more than once.
• I loved how Alfred was both a father figure and the Watson to Bruce's Sherlock.
• Pattison's Batman voice doesn't sound like he smoked a carton of cigarettes a day.
• We finally get a new Batman movie that doesn't have to show us the Wayne's dying again!

I didn’t see this earlier but agreed with all of this. Honestly it kinda felt like a giant live action episode of TAS

 

[ResilientBanana]

because it was ... and i saw most of them ..all of them

Same. Honestly, it’s the first time Batman was just interesting, if not more so than the villain and the villain was done very well. The cinematography, the action, the lack of quick frames and choreographed fights were very well done. Even the city and the architecture was done proper justice. The only thing I didn’t appreciate as much was catwoman and Batman’s interactions. While it was unnecessary, it didn’t hinder the film as a whole.

I also loved Batman’s calm and calculated demeanor, use of detective work, and since it takes place during his second year of action, I loved his mistakes. There was a lot to take in and I’m excited for this particular universe.

 

[BaneIsPain]

it is kinda crazy how we had a 3 hour film and Bruce and Alfred have what, 3 tiny scenes together? it felt like it had no time to build, but also it had 3 hours…. I can think of several areas I would have cut from this film and several I would have added.

honestly I would have reworked the entire last 1/3rd of the film to line riddlers plan up with something involving arkham.

Also why was the riddler expecting Batman to have known his plan? I keep thinking about this and other than the carpet tool, what could possibly have pointed to that end game?

Also, I think I watched it correct and the Riddler Does NOT know Bruce is batman, right? he was just ranting about never getting Bruce Wayne. But if that’s the case why did the “for Batman” card say “go to hell” on it? so confused by that, but i’m sure I just may have missed something

I think Riddler knew Batman's identity (with the last picture indication) but he is crazy enough to play mind games with Batman.
Anyway, I agreed with the last third of the arc, something can be changed for the better. Honestly, I think Penguin deserves more screen time minus the car chase.
I think I'm gonna rewatch it again.

 

[FunkMiller]

I think Riddler knew Batman's identity (with the last picture indication) but he is crazy enough to play mind games with Batman.
Anyway, I agreed with the last third of the arc, something can be changed for the better. Honestly, I think Penguin deserves more screen time minus the car chase.
I think I'm gonna rewatch it again.

He really didn’t. That was the whole twist Reeves set up. That’s what you’re meant to think, so that when it becomes clear he doesn’t know who Batman is, it hits home even harder. Best bit of the film in my opinion. Pattinson sold his contained relief at the revelation extremely well.

 

[DeafTourette]

I just saw it and the movie delivers on everything I wanted from a Batman movie (albeit a young Year 2 Batman). The action was great... The ending... I don't get the criticism of the 3rd act... I thought it was very much a necessary evolution of the character and it was so well told!

Pattinson and Affleck both were comic accurate Batman's. Both LEAGUES ahead of Bale!

 

[sol_bad]

I just saw it and the movie delivers on everything I wanted from a Batman movie (albeit a young Year 2 Batman). The action was great... The ending... I don't get the criticism of the 3rd act... I thought it was very much a necessary evolution of the character and it was so well told!

Pattinson and Affleck both were comic accurate Batman's. Both LEAGUES ahead of Bale!

I personally love the 3rd act but I can understand people not liking it.

Spoiler

People generally expect the hero to be fighting the villain directly and to beat them. I guess they were upset when this didn't happen. Maybe they felt a disconnect between Batman and the other bad guys that show up?

 

[Dr Bass]

Spoilers in tags perhaps? Some pretty open discussion. Guess I have to avoid this thread now dang it.

 

[trikster40]

wow.

Wow.

If this doesn’t get nomninated for best picture, best director, maybe a best supporting role, the Oscars need to just go away.

Hey WB, this is what you need to do from now on. Drop the DCEU crap, just make phenomenal movies. I don’t care if they’re connected.

 

[NeonGhost]

I wonder if they’ll release the 4 hour cut curious to see the scene

Spoiler

Batman interviews the joker after the mayor gets killed in the beginning

 

[GeekyDad]

...

Spoiler

People generally expect the hero to be fighting the villain directly and to beat them. I guess they were upset when this didn't happen. Maybe they felt a disconnect between Batman and the other bad guys that show up?

Well, don't include me in that group. Like I said, I thought the ideas of the story were great, and to that end, it was the movie I was originally excited for when they revealed the first trailer. But it just sucked in terms of storytelling. The story ideas are great. The telling of the story sucks hairy, obese asshole. It needed to be trimmed down by almost half its run time. It was grossly over-choreographed -- had so little real heart behind the acting, not because of the actors, who were mostly great, but because of the direction. The details get murky and convoluted because, I believe, they didn't know how to get from point A to point Z, and ended up just kinda using an exhausting, ridiculously spelled out romantic thing to try to hide that fact... Ugh. It just sucked. And the sad thing is, it didn't have to. It had so much potential. Perhaps if they had taken another year of baking this fucker. 'Tis a shame.

 

[sol_bad]

Well, don't include me in that group. Like I said, I thought the ideas of the story were great, and to that end, it was the movie I was originally excited for when they revealed the first trailer. But it just sucked in terms of storytelling. The story ideas are great. The telling of the story sucks hairy, obese asshole. It needed to be trimmed down by almost half its run time. It was grossly over-choreographed -- had so little real heart behind the acting, not because of the actors, who were mostly great, but because of the direction. The details get murky and convoluted because, I believe, they didn't know how to get from point A to point Z, and ended up just kinda using an exhausting, ridiculously spelled out romantic thing to try to hide that fact... Ugh. It just sucked. And the sad thing is, it didn't have to. It had so much potential. Perhaps if they had taken another year of baking this fucker. 'Tis a shame.

I'm not sure what you mean by "romantic" thing.

 

[GeekyDad]

I'm not sure what you mean by "romantic" thing.

 

[godhandiscen]

7/10.

Probably in the top 5 of Batman movies, but a step below the top 3.

 

[sol_bad]

That plot point is barely the focus of the film. I wouldn't consider it romantic either, more lustful if anything.

 

[SJRB]

There's barely any romance in the movie, come on now.

There's mutual attraction and both are intrigued with each other, but it's so super laidback it's hardly a blip compared to everything else.

 

[Tokio Blues]

Watched yesterday on IMAX.

Loved it.

I don't know why nobody is talking about:

Spoiler: Spoiler

The scene with the Joker and the Riddle on Arkham Asylum. Its being interpreted by Barry Keoghan

 

[ManaByte]

Watched yesterday on IMAX.

Loved it.

I don't know why nobody is talking about:

Spoiler: Spoiler

The scene with the Joker and the Riddle on Arkham Asylum. Its being interpreted by Barry Keoghan

People are talking about it and think it's a sequel setup, Reeves says it's not.

 

[DKehoe]

I don't know why nobody is talking about:

Spoiler: Spoiler

The scene with the Joker and the Riddle on Arkham Asylum. Its being interpreted by Barry Keoghan

That was maybe the part I enjoyed the least. Felt too on the nose.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I personally love the 3rd act but I can understand people not liking it.

Spoiler

People generally expect the hero to be fighting the villain directly and to beat them. I guess they were upset when this didn't happen. Maybe they felt a disconnect between Batman and the other bad guys that show up?

It’s not just that. It slows to a crawl in the 3rd act.

Overall, it’s a very well-crafted movie, just a bit too long and a bit too slow. The portrayal of Bruce Wayne, I didn’t like. I like the riddles and the investigation part. Still worth a watch and in the top 5 Batman movies. 7/10.

 

[Pagusas]

I personally love the 3rd act but I can understand people not liking it.

Spoiler

People generally expect the hero to be fighting the villain directly and to beat them. I guess they were upset when this didn't happen. Maybe they felt a disconnect between Batman and the other bad guys that show up?

that has nothing to do with why people don’t like the 4th act. the problem is the film loses its signature look, style, direction and even editing style. the 4th act feels like it was constructed by the B crew without any insight into how the rest of the film was looking/sounding or being edited. shots are framed way worse, the action feels silly in loose instead of physical and kinetic, suddenly bad CG starts showing up, that exceptionally silly scene of batman cutting the power cord to the stadium scoreboard thing (it looked so incredibly bad, like they had to rush it). The flare scene was a slight return to direction, but a singular shot doesnt save the whole scene.

that 4th act could have worked if it was done better. plot wise is still would have. been akward, should have tied the final plan more into Riddlers overall riddle through the film, but it could have been saved by good film making. like how the train scene in Batman Begins is honestly rather stupid but it’s saved by incredible pacing and editing

 

[DeepBreath87]

Too long. First half was great. Atmosphere was great. Actors did a fine job. I really liked all the casting choices. They just tried to do too much. Too many little storylines. It all ties together, but it should’ve been 45 minutes shorter. Cut the whole final act. I was disappointed. Like I said, loved the first hour. But they stretch it out WAY too long.

 

[sol_bad]

that has nothing to do with why people don’t like the 4th act. the problem is the film loses its signature look, style, direction and even editing style. the 4th act feels like it was constructed by the B crew without any insight into how the rest of the film was looking/sounding or being edited. shots are framed way worse, the action feels silly in loose instead of physical and kinetic, suddenly bad CG starts showing up, that exceptionally silly scene of batman cutting the power cord to the stadium scoreboard thing (it looked so incredibly bad, like they had to rush it). The flare scene was a slight return to direction, but a singular shot doesnt save the whole scene.

that 4th act could have worked if it was done better. plot wise is still would have. been akward, should have tied the final plan more into Riddlers overall riddle through the film, but it could have been saved by good film making. like how the train scene in Batman Begins is honestly rather stupid but it’s saved by incredible pacing and editing

Can't say I agree with this. It's not too dissimilar to what we see in Dawn and War of the Planet of the Apes but smaller scale. Maybe some shots looked bad but I'm sure it would have been due to COVID, not anything to do with the B crew.

 

[Pagusas]

Can't say I agree with this. It's not too dissimilar to what we see in Dawn and War of the Planet of the Apes but smaller scale. Maybe some shots looked bad but I'm sure it would have been due to COVID, not anything to do with the B crew.

I think you are in the minority on this opinion, but I respect you liking it. I still think it’s one of the best Batman’s ever made, and gladly put it up there with Batman 89, Returns, Begins and Dark Knight.

 

[V1LÆM]

removed

 

[mcjmetroid]

It was good and has its ups and downs I think. But I'm just not buying

Spoiler: Not really spoiler but just in case

I can't get how this batman, who doesn't care about the Wayne finances and is very insecure and reclusive is enable to build all his gadgets. I feel like the movie needed a gadget guy. It's kinda like how it looks out of place in Daniel Craig's James bond movies.

 

[ManaByte]

It was good and has its ups and downs I think. But I'm just not buying

Spoiler: Not really spoiler but just in case

I can't get how this batman, who doesn't care about the Wayne finances and is very insecure and reclusive is enable to build all his gadgets. I feel like the movie needed a gadget guy. It's kinda like how it looks out of place in Daniel Craig's James bond movies.

But Batman always made his own gadgets. That's what made him Batman and the modern Sherlock Holmes. He was brilliant enough to make his own stuff and didn't need to rely on a gadget guy like Nolan did. It diminishes his character doing that.

 

[DeepBreath87]

I guess the other thing that took me out of the movie is that Riddler, your main villain, is almost an afterthought for large sections of the movie. You had these personal family dramas playing out with Batman and even Catwoman, and the threat of Riddler is just kind of hanging off the side. I just feel like it tries to do too many things. By the time it got to the final act, I was looking at my watch. Then I felt like it shifted from this kind of tight, small mystery to the city wide disaster thing out of nowhere, which was jarring. I was enjoying that it had stayed away from that.

There was a great movie in there somewhere. I think the acting was fine and the setting was great. But they missed it with the editing and script.

 

[DeafTourette]

I guess the other thing that took me out of the movie is that Riddler, your main villain, is almost an afterthought for large sections of the movie. You had these personal family dramas playing out with Batman and even Catwoman, and the threat of Riddler is just kind of hanging off the side. I just feel like it tries to do too many things. By the time it got to the final act, I was looking at my watch. Then I felt like it shifted from this kind of tight, small mystery to the city wide disaster thing out of nowhere, which was jarring. I was enjoying that it had stayed away from that.

There was a great movie in there somewhere. I think the acting was fine and the setting was great. But they missed it with the editing and script.

Spoilers?

Also the

Spoiler

Citywide disaster thing was laid out in the mystery itself. From the weapon Nashton used at the beginning of the film to "Réal change" for Gotham. This was taking taking inspiration from a variety of Batman stories.

I was enthralled from jump! From the first frame to the last! I went in with no expectations and was blown away.

Maybe you went in with expectations or hoping it would be something else than what it was. I went in mostly blind.

 

[Kar]

One of my favorite movies in recent years.
But honestly, If you cut the entire

Spoiler

cat woman

plot line from the movie you get a better movie.

 

[ManaByte]

Spoilers?

Also the

Spoiler

Citywide disaster thing was laid out in the mystery itself. From the weapon Nashton used at the beginning of the film to "Réal change" for Gotham. This was taking taking inspiration from a variety of Batman stories.

I was enthralled from jump! From the first frame to the last! I went in with no expectations and was blown away.

Maybe you went in with expectations or hoping it would be something else than what it was. I went in mostly blind.

Yea people who think they know where this is going need to read more comics. I've seen so many people think it's No Man's Land (which is what TKDR used) where Gotham is isolated by an earthquake, when this movie has a direct comic parallel in Zero Year.

 

[mcjmetroid]

But Batman always made his own gadgets. That's what made him Batman and the modern Sherlock Holmes. He was brilliant enough to make his own stuff and didn't need to rely on a gadget guy like Nolan did. It diminishes his character doing that.

I get that but I'm not buying that this particular batman is capable of this. We just have to accept it because its batman and we've seen previous batman movies and this is his thing howeveras a standalone story it doesn't fit to me.

 

[ManaByte]

We just have to accept it because its batman

 

[mcjmetroid]

Ya why make a batman film that makes sense?

dickhead...

 

[ManaByte]

Ya why make a batman film that makes sense?

dickhead...

 

[mcjmetroid]

Yes of course again why discuss anything to do with the film because they're fictional characters and it doesn't matter.

And you're welcome.... just calling it like I see it.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Spoilers?

Also the

Spoiler

Citywide disaster thing was laid out in the mystery itself. From the weapon Nashton used at the beginning of the film to "Réal change" for Gotham. This was taking taking inspiration from a variety of Batman stories.

I was enthralled from jump! From the first frame to the last! I went in with no expectations and was blown away.

Maybe you went in with expectations or hoping it would be something else than what it was. I went in mostly blind.

I just really enjoyed the first half. So the shift in tone towards the end was a little disappointing. I still enjoyed the movie, but it felt like it was going to be something really special and while I still liked it, I can’t say I get like it was special at the end. It’s a personal thing though. It was a good movie. I wouldn’t put it up with The Dark Knight. But I liked it more than Rises or Begins.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

I thought it was great. My criticisms are the pacing/length, and Catwoman character/story fell flat for me.

Other than that, it's my favorite Batman film after TDK. No other superhero movie felt like this one - it felt like I was actually seeing an entire comic run play out on screen, like 4-5 issues. This is the Batman I want, full stop. I can't wait for the sequels and spin offs. I'm so happy this movie got made; it's not perfect but it nailed the parts that matter to me.

 

[GeekyDad]

...I don't know why nobody is talking about:

Spoiler: Spoiler

The scene with the Joker and the Riddle on Arkham Asylum. Its being interpreted by Barry Keoghan

Worst performance in the movie in my opinion.

 

[Dr_Salt]

wow.

Wow.

If this doesn’t get nomninated for best picture, best director, maybe a best supporting role, the Oscars need to just go away.

Hey WB, this is what you need to do from now on. Drop the DCEU crap, just make phenomenal movies. I don’t care if they’re connected.

Its a good movie indeed but lets not exagerate. If Zodiac, which this movie pretty much rips off, didn't get nominated for anything the batman will most certainly not be nominted either.

 

[ManaByte]

$128M domestic, $248M global opening.

‘The Batman’ $134M Opening Reps Warner Bros’ Biggest During Pandemic Era, Best Debut For Matt Reeves – Monday AM Update

The Batman has grossed $21.6 million in domestic box office after one-showtime-only previews Tuesday and Wednesday and its Thursday start.

deadline.com

 

[godhandiscen]

"Let's fight white supremacy Bruce"

"Let's go after some hedge fund types Bruce"

I just remembered that shit was so cringe.

 

[ManaByte]

Matt Reeves again says that ending is in no way a setup for a future movie:

Matt Reeves Explains ‘The Batman’ Ending: Do Not Expect to See [SPOILER] in Another Movie

"The Batman" director Matt Reeves explains why he cast Barry Keoghan in his surprising role, and what his future is in the larger franchise.

variety.com

“I thought it’d be really neat if so much of the fabric of Gotham just already existed,” Reeves tells Variety. “And it was like an old Warner Bros. gangster movie and if you took a certain turn, you might see a character in his origins.”

“It’s not an Easter egg scene,” he says. “It’s not one of those end credits Marvel or DC scenes where it’s going, like, ‘Hey, here’s the next movie!’ In fact, I have no idea when or if we would return to that character in the movies.”

And Reeves says he IS going to release the earlier scene with him.

Cutting the first Joker scene was so heartbreaking that Reeves intends to release it once enough people have seen “The Batman.”

 

[SJRB]

Y'all motherfuckers keep acting like Batman didn't straight up clobbered a gang of clowns at the start of the movie.