Sure, but not honestly. The Division's combat and gameplay is head and shoulders better, and using a mouse and keyboard is a big part of this.
Yeah, it just is inherently more satisfying.
The Division - Review Thread
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Sure, but not honestly. The Division's combat and gameplay is head and shoulders better, and using a mouse and keyboard is a big part of this.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Sounds like you're approaching it like a mediocre shooter. Use tactics. Flank, distract, suppress. Play with others.
You're comparing third person shooting mechanics to a first person shooter, hmmm
It's really hard for me to see what would be so good about the game. From the myriad of videos I've seen the core moment-to-moment gameplay just looks so bland. Those of you who have played it, is this a case of "must be played with friends for it to be good, boring alone"? Since it's so well received it's gotta have something that doesn't come through in the videos only.
The dialogue is so horrible. A Ubisoft trend that's hard to break. It both tries to take itself seriously and be kind of jokey/ridiculous at the same time, again like a lot of Ubisoft games (especially Far Cry).
Allnamestakenlol
Member
Deserved, from what I can tell so far. I'm really enjoying myself.
Karak
Member
No.I enjoyed my time both with groups and alone. And maybe even moreso alone. But that depends on what you are looking for because the base ideas behind the game-play do change just a bit depending on if your grouped or not which is expected of course but not harm in reminding people.
That being said I know a lot of folks who played and it never grabbed them either way
Ubisoft (and many western games) have the issue of feeling like some Sci Fi original show when it comes to writing.
digitalrelic
Banned
To me, the leveling up, MMO, loot gathering, gear acquiring, base upgrading, social aspect of the game is what makes it great. It hooks you and you get addicted and you just want to play more. This is really hard to portray in gameplay videos. It'd be like someone who's never played World of Warcraft watching a 5 minute gameplay video. It isn't going to be impressive.
SRTtoZ
Member
Very Watch_Dogs-eey in the dialogue department. Even in the first 10 minutes of the game they make a jerking off joke like most of the dialogue in WD.
Benitez is cartoonishly gruff.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
I've played 18 of my 20 hours alone, and I would say boring is a term I can't connect to the Division, even Solo. Always something to do, always something to find, always something distracting you, etc.
This game has possibly the most tactical and complex (in a good way) third-person cover shooting of any game I've played.
The level design is also really good for the missions and provides plenty of flanking opportunities while your teammates keep the enemies pinned from a different approach. There have been moments where the "Tom Clancy" branding actually felt like it made sense, and that's not something I was expecting.
I was just kind of expecting it to be a free-for-all clusterfuck, but the game mechanics and level design actually do very well to encourage natural team cooperation, even in Quick Matchmaking where nobody has a headset on.
The mods for weapons help in this regard too. i.e. silencers.
The Division feels basically like a full on RPG to me whilst Destiny is an action FPS with RPG trappings. They are so different in how they play though it's so silly to make comparisons between them IMO.
Must admit I'm enjoying the dialogue, especially some of the quirkier JTF folks but it ain't prizewinning stuff
I don't really think its terrible though.
Freeman76
Member
How can you accurately compare something using someone elses opinion lol
Glad to see this game getting good reviews, its brilliant
Oh yea, true, but what I also meant to say was that at least with games like Destiny and I'm guessing the Division, there's not much content in the vanilla game. I got to the end of destiny in less than three days, without even trying to rush through it. I don't want to go through that again with The Division. I hate assuming that developers are holding back on a lot of content to release it as dlc, but a part of me won't shake that feeling.
Thinking back on D2, the base game had me entertained for WAY longer before I started thinking of it as a grind fest.
The Division feels basically like a full on RPG to me whilst Destiny is an action FPS with RPG trappings. They are so different in how they play though it's so silly to make comparisons between them IMO.
Must admit I'm enjoying the dialogue, especially some of the quirkier JTF folks but it ain't prizewinning stuff
Exactly my thoughts.
Must admit I'm enjoying the dialogue, especially some of the quirkier JTF folks but it ain't prizewinning stuff
I find the NPCs actively annoying. Especially the dude who played a military guy on TV once and keeps pretending he's on the same level as you. It's definitely tongue-in-cheek, but like I said before, that's part of the problem.
AncientDiety
Banned
Destiny's gunplay is in another league from the division.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
You are completely wrong about that. But seems you have made your mind up already. Hope you enjoy it whenever the GOTY edition comes out next year.
The Division has content coming out of its eyeballs. This is not launch Destiny all over again, not even close.
I dont even like Destiny but having played both this is true. Destinies shooting is buttersmooth with great feedback
Cool, keep comparing a FPS to a TPS.
GootecksShimmy
Banned
Extremely well deserved. It'll be interesting to see the long term/end game of this, but if you want at least 50-100 hours of some fun, it is worth every cent.
Karak
Member
Well one of the major issues here is the devs themselves have countless times. So its not too hard to imagine gamers doing it.
Seems like a bit higher to me. But it also depends on which you use metacritic or Opencritic
Yeah, I think Destiny is hard to compare to Division equally really.
I am glad Division is here though as it'll keep Bungie on their toes and hopefully no more grossly overpriced content for not so much content when compared with Division dlc (hopefully).
I like them both for different reasons so far. With Destiny, exotic guns and gear are really special. You have to do special quests and challenges to earn them (Or buy certain ones from Xur at least, but not all of them are obtainable that way), that and raids and it's futuristic/sci fi.
Division tries to be more an RPG based on stats, which I don't mena in a bad way, as it can mean loot can be a lot more varied. That and I would think it's a much bigger game and I think the abilities/perks/mods system go very deep.
What I really hope for is that they'll both push each other, I'm sure I'll enjoy them both.
I am glad Division is here though as it'll keep Bungie on their toes and hopefully no more grossly overpriced content for not so much content when compared with Division dlc (hopefully).
I like them both for different reasons so far. With Destiny, exotic guns and gear are really special. You have to do special quests and challenges to earn them (Or buy certain ones from Xur at least, but not all of them are obtainable that way), that and raids and it's futuristic/sci fi.
Division tries to be more an RPG based on stats, which I don't mena in a bad way, as it can mean loot can be a lot more varied. That and I would think it's a much bigger game and I think the abilities/perks/mods system go very deep.
What I really hope for is that they'll both push each other, I'm sure I'll enjoy them both.
This.
I played the closed beta, thought it was pretty mediocre and skipped the open beta entirely.
Picked the game up because i had credit at EB and an shocked at the difference. The game so far for me is fantastic
Here's how I see it:
The Division Gunplay (w/ Mouse) > Destiny Gunplay (w/ Controller obv.)
Destiny Gunplay (w/ Controller obv.) > The Division Gunplay (w/ Controller)
Sure, in the sense it's a shooter with rpg elements or vice versa but the actual shooting mechanics are completely different.
A more fair comparison would be GoW, in which case GoW is better.
Netherscourge
Banned
So you can upgrade a base? Is that like player housing?
This is part of my current situation. My only option to play Destiny is with DS4, and my only comparison is to this game with a mouse.
Karak
Member
Sure we could go on and on. But thats ignoring the fact that many people may not have played GOW as a platform exclusive but may have played Destiny which isn't. Or just may have not played whatever game you want so they are comparing it with games they have played.
Which might be why the devs themselves compared them and devs throughout development on many games have compared first and 3rd themselves and used language to make sure their is an understanding of some dissimilar aspects. Regardless its not really that magically different and with a little thought shooters can be compared as long as people are flexible enough for some interpretation.
AncientDiety
Banned
Uncharted 4 (beta) is way better as well combat wise, best playing TPS along with MGS V imo.
Aztechnology
Member
My thoughts exactly. I've put nearly 20 hours into the game already and I still don't feel qualified to make a judgement call about this yet. After glancing at a few of these articles it's pretty obvious these are cursory reviews done after playing only a small portion of the game to get traffic.
The gaming bolt review was the closest to being an in depth review of the bunch and even that read as though he has only played a handful on the main missions. In this type of game, while it might be more of an ARPG than an MMO is still based on a formula born of MMO's so there are certain aspects I expect to see in the "end game" that will define and make or break the Division.
Also a review on this game should be a compare on contrast of other games that lead to this one. Simply hand waving the Destiny comparisons, especially considering its one of the big target audiences for the game is a bit silly. While the game may be great for PVP players looking for a new take on their favourite past time it may be found extremely lacking for the players that want a more mmo like experience or are PVE focused. Or for players who are looking for a narrative driven experience. These are all points of contention that barely seem to be addressed in any of these reviews.
SRTtoZ
Member
Destiny's aiming is some of the best in the genre, pure and simple, but you just can't compared it to The Division because it has completely different mechanics. On console, it is a fact that Destiny has better responsive gunplay purely from an input lag standpoint.
The base of operations is similar to the other safe houses in the game, it's just a much larger one. That is the one that you'll upgrade, which is mostly just an abstract way to unlock your character skills, talents and perks. For example, you earn Medical points by doing Medical encounters or story missions, then you spend those points upgrading the Medical wing. Any particular upgrade you buy for the Medical wing unlocks skills, talents or perks for your Medical trees. Leveling up via XP does not unlock those things, it only unlocks your available slots for skills or talents (perks you don't have to slot, you just gain all the effects of any perks you unlock in any wing).
ElephantShell
Banned
Upgrading your base in 3 different categories is what unlocks new skills, talents and perks to use.
EDIT: what Wallach said.
AncientDiety
Banned
Doesn;t matter.....many oher TPS like Uc4, gears years ago are way better. Third person doesn;t have to mean bland combat.
We got ourselves a couple of Sith. You can't accurately and honestly compare the gunplay of a first person sci-fi game to a modern day third person shooter. The dynamics of each system are vastly different due to the nature of each game. Destiny is a solid FPS and The Division is a solid TPS, but one's gunplay isn't inherently better than the other. Personally, I play The Division with a controller because mouse & keyboard feel odd in cover based games to me so that argument doesn't really do much for me, either.
Each game has it's own merit and there's enough room in the genre to let things exist independently of each other instead of trying to checklist which one is better. Don't stink up the review thread with baseless, arbitrary nonsense.
On-topic: Glad to see this game is doing well. I think there's a lot of room for growth in the genre and I hope to see more franchises pop up. Expected this ever since Destiny was becoming known to us before release. Social integration, character progression, loot, and co-op with pvp offerings has all the makings of an addictive formula.
I hate this comparison, but here is how I see it :
Destiny's Gunplay amidst other FPSes: Top shelf
Division's Gunplay amidst other TPSes: Functional
I think that's how most people are comparing it even though I find it silly to do so.
brianjones
Member
curious to see what will keep people coming back to this in the coming weeks, although it does sound like people are getting their moneys worth for now
Karak
Member
Well maybe not alot. But if they get their moneys worth out now...thats not actually a bad thing really when you think about it. Though there are season pass stuff
Just one question. How big is the top shelf?