tenderbrew
Member
Invisible Woman is / was (haven't played since the big changes) legit top tier too. She was great and so much fun. I mained her for a long time. Welp at least I already have all them bought and many of the costumes.
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The Fantastic Four will no longer be available to purchase in Marvel Heroes
- Thread starter ElBoxyBrown
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sixteen-bit
Member
I guess they won't be in MvCI
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
It absolutely has a lot to do with the movies, because movies impact the overall popularity and revenue potential of the IP. Successful movies grow the popularity of the IP, which increases purchases across the Marvel world (comics, toys, etc.) That's part of why the FF are being shuffled away entirely from both games and comics while the X-men are not. Wolverine and Deadpool bring in too much money for Marvel to try to ignore just to spite Fox. The FF do not; on the contrary the shitty movies give Marvel leverage to continue making the IP a less worthwhile property for Fox.
Tizoc
Member
Fox is the absolute worst
everyone should love the F4 by now
Eh I feel like Marvel deserve the blame too, unless Fox enforce some kind of embargo or something on use of these characters outside of movies and comics?
BoogieWoogie
Banned
This is such petty shit.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
They are both to blame. Fox for making horrendous movies that reduce the popularity of the IP, and Marvel for deciding it's in their best interests to let the the IP die than put effort into something that might benefit Fox more than themselves.
So?
Nothing's stopping Marvel from using their characters outside of movies. Only pettiness.
Marvel simply doesn't want to promote any properties that they don't own the movie rights to, they don't want to indirectly contribute to the success of films they aren't involved with.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm not sure about that since Doom had a huge role in the story mode according to someone so if they had to remove him then they would have to rewrite the story,etc. I really hope Super Skrull would able to get in the game by then. There is a chance Marvel would change their mind and request them to get rid of them.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I'm not arguing that it's not petty, but it's inaccurate to say it's only pettiness. It is a calculated business decision to try and get the rights to revert back by making it not in Fox's best interests to keep wasting money on a shit movie every few years just to keep them.
LukasTaves
Member
Terrible movies for terrible movies pretty much all from the X-men universe are terribad as well but yet somehow they are a success.
Tizoc
Member
I hear ya; I couldn't care less if the movies are bad, but the way they're treating the series that the friggin' company started out with this way is disgusting, for lack of a better word.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
The X-men movies might be on the crappy side more often than good, but they make money for fox and increase toy and comic sales for Marvel. The FF movies, especially the most recent, are bombs that make money for no one.
almostjuliuscaesar
Member
The question is, with the rumors swirling (and the new FF marvel legends toys that were made), is this done for a rereveal down the road, I wonder.
how much time do they have? MH is up in 2019, and we aren't hearing about any new MCU movies until after Aveners 4
Doctor Doom & Super-Skrull may have a shot as DLC, but you're generally right.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Mr Fantastic was surprisingly fun for me to play. He had a really cool looking light beam gun.
I always hated the Invisible Woman in this game. She looked terrible.
I always hated the Invisible Woman in this game. She looked terrible.
Iced Arcade
Member
Myself I can see/understand why Marvel/Disney is doing what they are doing with F4 and X-Men. sucks for us game fans but if it gets those movie IP's back under the Marvel roof it will be a positive even if it takes a bit.
It's a tough call. Doom survived here because he's too ingrained into the game's story. They simply can't take him out.
That won't be the case for MvC. The one possibility would be if, like the X-Men, he's just seen as profitable enough, which may be the case since Doom is pretty iconic in the VS series.
Salty Rice
Member
Fuck Marvel Comics and their hate for the first superhero family and the racism against mutants.
technopath
Neo Member
Fox paid for the movie rights. If Marvel wants them back, they should pay for them.
Keeping a few characters in an already-established video game would not make or break the F4. Just like excluding X-Men from MvCi will not make fans suddenly forget about them. Marvel's video games are a disappointing mess, its comics are flopping hard (a majority of their titles are selling at cancellation numbers well below DC), its cartoons are poorly animated and written, and its "relaunch" was an overhyped disaster. Really the only place where Marvel excels is the movies, which is unfortunately what all of their other decisions go back to.
Keeping a few characters in an already-established video game would not make or break the F4. Just like excluding X-Men from MvCi will not make fans suddenly forget about them. Marvel's video games are a disappointing mess, its comics are flopping hard (a majority of their titles are selling at cancellation numbers well below DC), its cartoons are poorly animated and written, and its "relaunch" was an overhyped disaster. Really the only place where Marvel excels is the movies, which is unfortunately what all of their other decisions go back to.
If I recall, Ryce also mentioned Fantastic Four characters as being a "done deal" for DLC, so maybe Capcom nailed down Doom (& maybe one or two other F4 characters) before Marvel doubled down on the F4 ban. Of course, Marvel could just as easily cancel those DLC plans (if they indeed exist).
They can't if they're not for sale. It's also a completely different situation now. Disney is not going to give billions away to Fox for the X-Men and FF.
Yeah, it doesn't help that Marvel seems to have changed their position several times on this over the last year or so.
Based on this news, I'm guessing the current policy is "No X-Men or FF unless we know they'll make us a lot of money." I'm sure the X-Characters are better sellers in Heroes than the FF are.
So MvC might get Wolverine, Deadpool, Magneto, or Doom, but not necessarily characters like Psylocke or Human Torch.
almostjuliuscaesar
Member
i don't think they'd get a movie anytime soon. They can serve much better as support characters. but even if they were, there's plenty of time to slot them in once they are announced. not to mention the most important thing they would gain in the rights would be dr. doom, silver surfer & galactus.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Human Scorched Earth
Hickman's FF/F4 would make an incredible trilogy if Fox wasn't completely inept.
A "calculated business decision" motivated by pettiness. They want their Fantastic Four rights back, they should negotiate with Fox. This kind of shit is really hurting only their fans, considering how Fox fucks up this IP all on their own without any outside assistance.
And it's not like this mutant/F4 ban matters one bit to Fox anyway. Their movies aren't affected by it. Fant4stic bombed because it was a complete fucking mess, not having merchandise cross-promotion had nothing to do with it. Most of the X-men movies have been big successes. Deadpool and Logan are evidence enough that they can do just fine on their own, financially, creatively and artistically.
Fox Mulder
Member
All Fox has to do is make a good FF film.
Glass Rebel
Member
Is this another thread where we pretend that any media outside of film would have a significant impact on F4 popularity?
Disney the one being the pain here. Disney owns all the rights BUT the movies.
Plus, FOX doesn't own the rights of Fantastic Four. Constantin Films do.
Dark Ninja
Member
This is just business move, giving promotion to those franchises helps the movies because it provides exposure. Basically free advertising. Fantastic Four is probably the one they are close to getting back because Fox keeps floundering with the franchise. De-valuing it by limiting exposure is a smart move on Marvel/Disney's part. They can easily rebuild F4 if/when they get the rights back. Marvel got Blade, Punisher, Daredevil, and Ghost Rider back not too long ago because the studios handling those movies were incompetent. This is the long game. Everyone in this thread will probably be dead by the time Disney gets all the Marvel properties back. It took Disney around 80 years to get Oswald the Lucky Rabbit but they got em.
X-Men they're adding back into their games, but the Fantastic Four are way easier to replace so...
AWizardDidIt
Member
Unfortunately for fans of Marvel Heroes, it's because the F4 are so important to the history of Marvel that they are taking the steps they are now. Devaluing the IP to the point that the current rights holder has no benefit in having it is the only way Marvel's going to get it back and be able to actually produce an F4 movie that is worth a damn.
Still sucks for Marvel Heroes though.
Puzzle Quest was actually one of the pre-ban games that made it out before Contest of Champions. But yeah, I'm glad Marvel's easing up on the X-Men side of things.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Even if Fox made a good F4 movie that wouldn't stop Marvel from changing this ban. F4 don't sell, even with talented writers on them. They're low on the Marvel totem pole.
AWizardDidIt
Member
If F4 had good movies then it would have likely translated into better sales on their comic and then they'd be in the same position where Xmen is today.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It wouldn't change anything. The F4 were never big sellers.
Or maybe Marvel should promote their F4 stuff despite not owning the rights. Spider-Man was doing fine for years.
How's Ghost Rider these days I hear his comic................oh, it's cancelled.
Green Mamba
Member
Because we all know Ant-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy were big time household names before their films.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
They haven't been in any marvel games. What's changed?
People weren't making a stand for them either like they all of a sudden gave a damn either.
Hell in ant man's case people wanted the movie to fail because wright wasn't attached anymore
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
In comics? I bet they were.
I'm talking about comics. Get mad a Marvel for treating the F4 like shit for years.
X-Men sell well so Marvel is easing up on that stuff.
Fantastic Four had a long troubled history in Marvel Heroes. Original Contract was signed before Marvel really gave a shit. Then Marvel started giving a shit. Brevik and others got into a lot of shit with Marvel because Marvel Heroes had a Fantastic Four Event in game to coincide with one of the Fantastic Four Movies.
Contract Renewal Time gave Marvel the leverage to say remove this stuff or we just end your game.
Fantastic Four had a long troubled history in Marvel Heroes. Original Contract was signed before Marvel really gave a shit. Then Marvel started giving a shit. Brevik and others got into a lot of shit with Marvel because Marvel Heroes had a Fantastic Four Event in game to coincide with one of the Fantastic Four Movies.
Contract Renewal Time gave Marvel the leverage to say remove this stuff or we just end your game.
Prior to their respective movies, Ant-Man did okay at best (& he doesn't have an ongoing right now). The Guardians, while they did have a critically-acclaimed 2008 run from Abnett & Lanning, were obscure.