Etrian Oddity
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Every single proper noun in ZZ makes me want to stick a goddamn spoon in my eye.
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The Official Gundam Thread of Gunpla, Origins, and 35 Years of GUNDAMUUUU!
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But she's the worst Mobile Suit pilot ever.
Lostconfused
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Oh god no she isn't. A Haro would be a better mother to any child ever than Fa.
Megalosaro
Banned
Not even the worst pilot in Z (that'd be Katz). If she's so bad then how come she was the only AEUG pilot who lived? Because she was the only one who didn't do reckless dumbass things like crash into asteroids (Katz), climb outside her suit during a major battle (Emma) or kamakazi into a super newtype (Kamille)
Because Kamille had to rescue her in every single battle she fought in. If it wasn't for Kamille, she would have died the first time she went out to fight.
Fa is only spared from being the worst woman in Zeta Gundam by the fact that Beltachika and Sarah exist, and because Ensign Rekkua takes a goddamn nose dive from being the best character to the absolute worst in like, three episodes. I don't believe Tomino HAD a reason for her defecting, since all Rekkua ever says is "you wouldn't understand" and in the last episode spouts some nonsense about being treated like a woman and a soldier.
Fa is awful. The best girl was Lt. Emma.
And Mashmyre is out and out insane. No way in hell did any of his flashbacks with Haman happen, because no way in hell is Haman that feminine. In his flashbacks she has big, blue eyes and a kind, gentle voice. This isn't the Haman I saw in Zeta with the scowl and snarl that Char Aznable hated to bits.
Megalosaro
Banned
Emma is without a doubt the best girl on the show. Not even close. But I also liked Sarah a lot too. Not for any particular reason. Might just be as shallow as I liked her hair.
As for Beltorchika, I hated her when I first watched Zeta, but she's kind of grown on me. She's a spunky girl and yeah, it's annoying how she bothers Kamille about giving up the Gundam to Amuro, she is a lot better when they show her again late in the series. In fact, she was straight up awesome during the Dakar episode.
As for Beltorchika, I hated her when I first watched Zeta, but she's kind of grown on me. She's a spunky girl and yeah, it's annoying how she bothers Kamille about giving up the Gundam to Amuro, she is a lot better when they show her again late in the series. In fact, she was straight up awesome during the Dakar episode.
Christina Mackenzie
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Megalosaro
Banned
Yeah, Mouar is a number 2. What is up with women looking so great in a Titan's uniform.
Beltachika's just straight up awful. She spends half of her time pestering Kamille to surrender the Gundam to Amuro, and the other half looking down on Mirai for not being an ideal 1950s wife. She's a horrible human being and Zeta's true villain.
And I hate Sarah because she has 3 functions: Escape Argama Again. MASTER PAPTIMUS. and be jealous of anyone who goes near MASTER PAPTIMUS.
Megalosaro
Banned
You should probably re-watch the episode with Beltorchika and Mirai again. There are some great moments between them, and it is because of Mirai that Beltorchika calms down later. Her advice, to take things slow with Amuro, caused Beltorchika to not be such a bitch anymore.
And yeah, the point of Sarah was to be all "PAPTIMUS-SAAMA" but I dunno. I enjoyed her for what she is.
And yeah, the point of Sarah was to be all "PAPTIMUS-SAAMA" but I dunno. I enjoyed her for what she is.
I can't bring myself to rewatch any part of Zeta right now, let alone an episode with HER in it.
CourvoSol hasn't even watched Victory Gundam yet. I can't wait. :lolol I couldn't even finish it. That is remarkable, considering I made it through Stardust Memory.
I also really want to re-watch Gundam X. I remember it having one of the best romances in Gundam. The Frost Brothers were also dope.
You KNOW your series is trash when it is retconned out of existence!
I also really want to re-watch Gundam X. I remember it having one of the best romances in Gundam. The Frost Brothers were also dope.
You KNOW your series is trash when it is retconned out of existence!
Just watch Eureka Seven again instead.
Crimsonlink
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I can see why people watch other Mecha anime but they simply aren't Gundam.
For me no other mecha series matches up to Gundam.
The Gundams themselves which is the main draw, the characters and then the loss of certain characters. It all just adds up to make a wonderful experience for the most part.
Sure a lot of stuff is recycled and you can predict some stuff but man if they aren't entertaining.
On that note I'm happy to say that my Comics shop will start selling Gundam kits. So expect me to post pics of when I buy one and put it together.
For me no other mecha series matches up to Gundam.
The Gundams themselves which is the main draw, the characters and then the loss of certain characters. It all just adds up to make a wonderful experience for the most part.
Sure a lot of stuff is recycled and you can predict some stuff but man if they aren't entertaining.
On that note I'm happy to say that my Comics shop will start selling Gundam kits. So expect me to post pics of when I buy one and put it together.
Megalosaro
Banned
Best bromance? I can't really say any of them feature a bromance? Probably G Gundam though, with the Shuffle Alliance though, if that counts. Kira x Athrun is the other high profile bromance, but I hesitate to recommend Seed
1 - Victory is a masterpiece. One of the best shows in the franchise. I love how dream-like the whole show is. Also, the show has some fantastic art and a franchise best soundtrack.
2 - Gundam X has one of the best romances? I always hear this, but frankly I thought Tiffa to be so damn boring. I guess a lot of people like those demure types, but I don't
3 - ZZ wasn't retconned out of existence. New Translation isn't cannon.
<3 One of my favorite mechanime.
Man, it's been so long since I've watched this, I didn't even remember her.
(man, the female titan uniform really does look hot.)
EvilKatarn
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Now I know why I couldn't get any sleep tonight.
You were all talking shit about Fa! GundamGAF is just full of surprises.
You were all talking shit about Fa! GundamGAF is just full of surprises.
Christina Mackenzie
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I think she was only around for a couple of episodes and I only remembered her first name. Poor Jerid.
His love interests don't last very long and it happened to him twice.
Victory was awful tragedy porn with battles involving soldiers flying around in space bikinis. (Sorry for that spoiler, CourvoSol. Look forward to that).
Matter of taste then. I got more out of the romance in X than I did in any of the SEED series, UC series and 00. The exceptions of better romances are G Gundam and possibly 8th MS Team, which I haven't seen.
Seeing as how the Zeta compilation movies end with
Kamille's brain not being fried and more allusions to CCA than ZZ,
Judau piloting the Z Gundam have to be essentially entirely re-written.
I'm not saying ZZ's story is completely thrown out of canon (Gundam Unicorn proves otherwise) but at least how the events unfold are completely removed from watchable fiction. Given the way ZZ starts, it's for the best.
I don't know that I'm going to make it to Victory. Frankly, I was considering quitting Gundam for at least a year after watching Char's Counter Attack. My faith in the series has been utterly, completely, and totally broken as of Zeta. Shit like 00 and AGE and Stardust withered it considerably, but I knew they were bad. When Zeta turned sour, too, though, something inside of me seems to have died.
I just . . . I don't feel it anymore. Not after Zeta. Especially not after the absurdity that was the last two-to-three episodes of Zeta.
If Domon x Hand doesn't count, then I'm casting my vote for Kou x Carrots.
I'm actually the other way now. Getting to know the Gundam series has all but broken its pedestal in my eyes. Outside of MSG and G Gundam, I can't really say I consider any Gundam series on par with stuff like GaoGaiGar, The Big O, or Martian Successor Nadesico, and some things in Gundam, like 00, AGE and Stardust Memory are so truly awful that I'd almost cast them down into the pit with Rah Xephon, which I'd rank as my most hated mecha anime.
Unless Char's Counter Attack and Unicorn can turn it around, I don't know that my opinion is apt to change. The bad blood just boiled up with 00 and AGE and Stardust and Zeta's aimless second act and maddening ending were the straws that broke me.
Probably my favourite anime tbh. I remember watching it and it blew my mind that they basically rewrote Gundam X and made it absolutely brilliant.
I really enjoyed Eureka Seven, but its first 8-10 episodes are terribly slow. Show didn't click with me until
you first learn about Holland and Eureka's past.
Renton leaving Charles and Ray
Megalosaro
Banned
Sounds like UC Gundam just isn't for you CorvoSol. You might like Unicorn because it's pretty, but I have a feeling you're going to hate Char's Counterattack.
I know, right? I guess some people just aren't into Recreation.
I know, right? I guess some people just aren't into Recreation.
I've seen it three times now and yeah, I agree with that. The first few episodes are a bit of a slog. Once it gets going, it never stops though.
Charles and Ray are basically a "fuck you" to Gundam SEED/Andrew Waltfield. I<3 them so much. They're better Ramba Rals than Ramba Ral I think.
And yeah, you're gonna fucking hate CCA.
I mean, I loved MSG. That was a great show that only felt like it had two slow spots. And it isn't like not-UC Gundam has elicited a better reaction from me, given my intense loathing for 00 and AGE and disdain of Destiny. I like Wing, SEED, and G, too, though I'll acknowledge Wing and SEED have their faults. And Zeta started off really well.
But that second half! That second half was full of jumping up and down from Earth for no reason, there was no word I could use to describe the arc, like, what was even going ON? And when it wasn't wandering around, it was living off of the same three situations: See Sarah captured by Kamille's rougish good looks, see her escape from the ship again! See someone try to persuade Rekkua to come back only for her to say her reasons for defecting are impossible to understand! See Fa/Katz steal the Methis/G-Defenser for a joy ride again! Katz did this last one right up to the end of the series. It was how he entered and exited the series! What was the point of his character if NO changes were made in 30 some odd episodes? See Paptimus cackle as he bewitches another woman! See Jared get his ass kicked again! See Four die again! And again but in a different body!
The only conceivable plot in the middle was "See everyone suck Char Aznable's dick. See him still not get hard."
And then I was prepared to over-look the repetitive and slow second act when the end rolled around and things heated up and Kamille got down to kicking asses. But then THAT ENDING. THAT FUCKING ENDING. And you know, I think I could've dealt with all the deaths, and seriously I think half the named cast died in the space of two episodes, but I think I could have dealt with it, but it wasn't enough. Tomino went apeshit and decided to
take Kamile down with him.
The ending practically goes out of its way to flip you off one last time.
I liked Waltfeld in SEED, and I LOVED Ramba Ral, mostly because he taught me that Goufs are the most hardcore mook mech in the world, but I liked Ray and Charles because for the first time in like, ever, someone was nice to Renton. After everything the poor kid had been through, someone showed him some love. It was almost like seeing a kid with abusive foster parents get adopted into a loving family.
Megalosaro
Banned
CCA IS highly divisive within the fandom.
Personally, I think CCA is great. It certainly does have its flaws. I would have liked more background on why Char is counterattacking, and less time with a certain pariah, but the Char and Amuro stuff is awesome. Both the Sazabi and the Nu are fucking excellent mechs and I absolutely love the ending. The train scene is pretty great too.
UC0093 is a fantastic era, I'm glad Unicorn is now there to flesh out the immediate aftermath of the conflict.
But yeah, if you didn't like Zeta, you're not going to like the rest of ZZ, I think. Around episode 20, it stops being all fun and games and starts being a pretty serious show. Perhaps not as serious as Zeta, but certainly the same style of serious. You're going to hate it. And then CCA is full on back to Zeta-style grimness.
Personally, I think CCA is great. It certainly does have its flaws. I would have liked more background on why Char is counterattacking, and less time with a certain pariah, but the Char and Amuro stuff is awesome. Both the Sazabi and the Nu are fucking excellent mechs and I absolutely love the ending. The train scene is pretty great too.
UC0093 is a fantastic era, I'm glad Unicorn is now there to flesh out the immediate aftermath of the conflict.
But yeah, if you didn't like Zeta, you're not going to like the rest of ZZ, I think. Around episode 20, it stops being all fun and games and starts being a pretty serious show. Perhaps not as serious as Zeta, but certainly the same style of serious. You're going to hate it. And then CCA is full on back to Zeta-style grimness.
I honestly don't know what you'd think of Unicorn, CourvoSol. I think that if you can make it past CCA and simply watch Unicorn, you should be done with the UC universe (unless you haven't watched the 8th MS Team).
I find Unicorn tolerable compared to other series, albeit still with some shit characters and odd motivations. I do enjoy other characters more, however.
Yup.
Tbh, I kinda wish Waltfeld
I find Unicorn tolerable compared to other series, albeit still with some shit characters and odd motivations. I do enjoy other characters more, however.
Yup.
Tbh, I kinda wish Waltfeld
had stayed dead. Like Ral, he means more dead than alive
[Seed + E7 spoilers I guess]That's why I think
Waltfield was "Ramba Ral done wrong." Having Kira kill him and having him come back to life is just a fundamentally wrong interpretation of the character. Ray and Charles are Ramba Ral done right because they don't come back to life and their deaths are out of his hands.
It wasn't the grimness of Zeta that bugged me. To the contrary: it was the fact that nothing was taken seriously until the final battle, when everything was ended in an abrupt manner. I liked Four's story, I liked the tale of the tyrannical Titans, I liked the set up with a Mexican Stand Off between Titans, Axis and AEUG.
I couldn't fucking tolerate another episode of bratty teenagers stealing Gundams for joy rides while bitching about how Captain Bright didn't understand their petty needs. I loved Rekkua when she was a serious character. When she became a tall infant crying about how no one understood her, then I hated her.
I don't have a problem with serious. I have a problem with aimless, and that's how Zeta felt to me. It didn't feel serious or grim at all. The final episodes death bonanza didn't feel grim, it felt rushed and haphazard, like the writers said "Fuck it, kill them all." "How?" "Oh who gives a crap, make Katz or Fa steal a mobile suit and have that be the undoing of every named character."
TA DA.
And there was nothing serious or grim about what happened to
Kamile. It was just TA DA PAPTIMUS HAS BULLSHIT INSANITY POWERS YAAAAY!!
The only good deaths in that entire blood bath were
Lt. Emma's and the crew of the Radish.
Jared, too
I saw the 08th MS Team. I liked the first half and felt diminishing returns when it became a lame Romeo and Juliet instead of a good war story.
Yup. I felt like posting the whole
R&C thing in the "TV episodes that made you cry"
I think that was the whole point of the series though. Still need to check it out.Yup. I felt like posting the wholethread. :'(R&C thing in the "TV episodes that made you cry"
It sort of was. Don't get me wrong, even after the change, 08th MS Team has some good moments, notably when a Gouf shows up on the scene (because Goufs are the best and will royally ruin you.) but I just think that the show's romance got out of hand when the Beam Saber Jacuzzi happened and it was all downhill from there.
ambientmystic
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Fucking hell Ezalc, that's such a loaded question and you know it lol. There's only one answer to that question.
G is the definition of bromance in a broanime. I'm surprised Domon didn't just shack up with the Shuffle Alliance at the end of it and ditched Rain lol. So many homoerotic undertones in that show, mostly left unfulfilled and to our imaginations to fill in the blanks. No wonder he wasn't interested in Rain in the earlier portions of the series.
And Corvo, you need to to lighten up man. Can't take it too seriously with everyone of them like you do AGE. I'd probably get an aneurysm and pop an artery too if I started deeply analyzing all the Gundam shows I've ever seen too deeply.
donkey show
Member
WTF? Roux Louka wins all. Mai purple haired waifu.
Megalosaro
Banned
That's not even her best outfit.
The positives of Zeta's second act are that the Zeta Gundam and Kamille Bidan are probably my new favorite not-Domon protagonists in the series. The Zeta looks like a cool proto-Freedom, and seeing Kamille grow up over the course of the series was nice. He went from being the whiny ass brat to trying to keep all those whiny brats in order.
So if I had to cite what I liked about Zeta, it'd be Kamile and the Zeta, and since those are obviously a big part of the show, they've kept Zeta from being hated by me.
Char, though, I don't know. Like seriously, he seemed zoned out the entire series. I guess if that was the point, mission accomplished, but I don't know. I liked him better in MSG.
I do like her. She's my favorite character introduced in ZZ thus far, although, what's with the hair? Until this point UC Gundam's been pretty good about limiting unusual hair colors to unusual people. Mostly Cyber NewTypes, bar Paptimus and Haman.
Megalosaro
Banned
Mauer (an old type)? Sarah(a "normal" newtype)? Hell, even Kamille had blue hair, and he wasn't a cyber newtype.
See, I just assumed based on hair color that Maur and Sarah were Cyber Newtypes. And I figured Kamile's hair was supposed to be black.
Megalosaro
Banned
Nope, Cyber Newtypes in UC shows are almost always highly unstable and always mentioned to be attached to research labs. They mention Sarah's regular newtype status in the episode she's introduced. Her and her wingman that I can't remember because she was shot down instantly.
I just saw the pink hair and heard newtype and figured that she was a Cyber Newtype. Half the cast seemed to be Newtypes by the end.
Megalosaro
Banned
Frankly, they probably were. They're not exactly rare. There are thousands of newtypes in Victory
Lostconfused
Member
Wow Gundam UC sure is an extremely vivid mass hallucination then.
EvilKatarn
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How are the Gundam Dynasty Warriors games? Any value in them if I can't stand the Dynasty Warriors gameplay style but have a perpetual hard-on for Gundam?
Megalosaro
Banned
I spent a lot of time with DW:G3. Over 100. I probably only enjoyed the game for about an hour. But for some reason it was an incredibly addicting experience. I don't know what is was that kept me playing for all that time. I'm usually uber quick to drop a game.
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