jakonovski
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You just gave the better reason for rethinking it all. Lies. The tendency to see everything through economics is really dragging the modern world down.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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You just gave the better reason for rethinking it all. Lies. The tendency to see everything through economics is really dragging the modern world down.
Funky Papa
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Street sweepers could greatly benefit from a less regulated UK in which people could be able to dispose of their feces by throwing them through the window and into the streets.
There you go, here's an example of regulatory hurdles holding down employment.
There you go, here's an example of regulatory hurdles holding down employment.
Napoleonthechimp
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Individual people can say what they want. It is the tabloids deliberately lying to further the political and financial ambitions of their owners that seems to be the more illegal thing to me.
ClosingADoor
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You're right, that is what I mean. Media and politicians should be held accountable if they are clearly lying and throwing bullshit out there they know is wrong.
If the vote was between staying in the EU and your ideal exit plan, then you could perhaps argue for voting Leave. Instead, you've voted for no plan at all, you've voted for the breaking up of the United Kingdom, the decimation of the opposition, a massive rightward shift of British politics, and an undemocratically elected Prime Minister.
I think that's the thing I find the most obnoxious, really; I don't think I'd be that bothered if I'd perceived the Leave campaign as honest; lots of people disagreed with me, fair enough, they made a decision based on a similar understanding. But I simply do not have that perception, and as such it feels like a travesty of democracy.
Napoleonthechimp
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But the behaviour of the tabloids seems (from my POV) to come up against incitement to racial hatred. I am of course thinking of the slandering of EU migrants and the encouragement of the leave tabloids towards division and intolerance.
It is incredible to me that they're allowed to do it.
And that is excluding the other nonsense that is clearly an extension of the personal whims of Murdoch and other executives.
shinra-bansho
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Here's a really great report on the benefits of carbon dioxide from a completely impartial source.
http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2015/10/benefits1.pdf
http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2015/10/benefits1.pdf
Can't argue with that
...But who will sweep our streets when we've sent all the immigrants back?
accel
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Yes, you have a point (apparently I voted for no plan at all in that the politics didn't ever think they'd have to actually Leave).
Oh man, that was great. Thanks for the laughs.
An entire paper with "many benefits" predicated on the single hypothesis that co2 makes plants grow bigger. A very precarious house of cards to build.
Funky Papa
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So what if Leave wins again.
I think people were joking about it earlier, but that couldn't sound more Star Wars if it tried.
Anarchy in the UK.
or a third/fourth/fifth/sixth referendum until we get it right. It's the British way.
The first referendum was a mistake to begin with. And yes, a lot of people clearly did not realize that by voting leave, the country would crash and burn. The leaders that plunged them into this hellhole are now nowhere to be seen. How's that for democracy?
...what sort of person despises the purpose of the EU?
Then just reverse the choice or nullify the first referendum? Why go for a second one?
ClosingADoor
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Farage wants to help others with "independence". Sorry, can only find a Dutch source: http://nos.nl/artikel/2115719-farage-ik-ga-andere-landen-helpen-met-onafhankelijkheid.html
He seems to want to help groups in other countries that want out of the EU.
Funny that, having someone from another country trying to decide what your country has to do, isn't it Farage?
So we aren't getting rid of him for the foreseeable future it seems.
He seems to want to help groups in other countries that want out of the EU.
Funny that, having someone from another country trying to decide what your country has to do, isn't it Farage?
So we aren't getting rid of him for the foreseeable future it seems.
Arms dealers or something I'm guessing.
A xenophobe?
Racists/nationalists.
Fuck better understanding of and greater cooperation with other nations.
Funky Papa
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Hardcore steampunk fanatics, I guess.
From the EU or from their sanity?
What's the ideal trade deal in your opinion? And what's the realistic trade deal that would be OK for you?
UcchedavÄda
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If one vote is democratic, then surely two votes must be twice as democratic! You are not opposed to more democracy, are you?
Napoleonthechimp
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This has already been discussed to death. If the realities of an EU exit change people's minds then they should be given the opportunity to express that.
In my opinion it is as valid as "Are you sure you want to delete that?" window that appears on your computer.
3 out of 5?
Ravensmash
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That pound...
Our currency is becoming worthless.
Dollar was 1.27 earlier.
1.27......
Our currency is becoming worthless.
Dollar was 1.27 earlier.
1.27......
Well, to quote the purpose of the EU more precisely:
Robert Schuman said:
I think it's perfectly fine to disagree with the method chosen, but to despise the purpose of it? Who despises an attempt to secure peace? Well, apart from like, fascists and stuff.
Zomba13
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What should happen is the computer lies to you about what is being deleted and then once you delete it the OS just goes "lol, I'm done. GG" and just leaves you with DOS or something.
shinra-bansho
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It's okay. Just a bit of inflation to make life a bit harder. For the greater good.
Pain builds character.
jakonovski
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Psychotext
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I think that people basing their decisions on blatant lies the first time around isn't a bad reason for a second referendum. It'll never happen though.
I've said it before. a seccond vote is dumb. Id be tempted to vote leave jsut because that was the outcome of the last one and im opposed to circumventing democracy by repeatedly trying till they get the "right" answer.
if we got the wrong answer then jsut say so. admit the referendum was a mistake, that leaving the EU will have massive consequences on the country and that we can't realistically achieve an actual leave. Look into why people are angry enough that we have ended up in this position and tackle the issues.
Coming clean is the right thing to do to avoid screwing over the country. but it won't happen because they care more about their electability than doing the right thing :/
if we got the wrong answer then jsut say so. admit the referendum was a mistake, that leaving the EU will have massive consequences on the country and that we can't realistically achieve an actual leave. Look into why people are angry enough that we have ended up in this position and tackle the issues.
Coming clean is the right thing to do to avoid screwing over the country. but it won't happen because they care more about their electability than doing the right thing :/
Snarfington
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We're gonna have a lot of character by the time this is done then!
accel
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In the short term, going to EEA and accepting free movement of people (limiting it as much as possible) as a temporary solution. Then staying there for some years working out a better agreement / structure for the future.
Fascinating way to put it actually. I see where you're coming from.
ClosingADoor
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What is this better agreement?
And how do you limit free movement? If it is limited, it is not free movement anymore.
Cripes!
I remember visiting the states once and it was 2 usd to the pound, maybe 1990.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
If it was held tomorrow (or next month or something), I'm sure Leave would win again.
Two year's time however...who knows.
Yeah, I remember when I went to the US it was something amazing like 1.80/1.90
Good times.
There's no EEA without free movement of people.
So how long do you estimate you need to be in EU without any power of decision (EEA)? What about the financial passport, as this is not in EEA, what can you give in exchange?
accel
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The agreement between the EU and the UK-out-of-EU. Your next question is, I think, why I suppose it's going to be better, that's a long topic at the corner of which is, again, being more efficient outside of the EU.
Free movement can be limited Liechtenstein-style. Yes, that would have to be negotiated hard.
EEA without free movement of people is subject to negotiation.
As to how long in the EEA until a better solution, it obviously depends. I'd aim for 4-5 years.
AHA-Lambda
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I thought this was an elaborate joke at first
Holy fuck that is real. That organisation is a real fucking thing O_O
I actually feel sick
I may be super ignorant in this, but if Labour get in at the next general election (before article 50 is signed!), can thy disregard referendum saying it was a Conservative led idea and a complete balls up?
Maybe there were virtually no prominent labour MP's through the campaigning for a reason.
This would also mean that they would have to get their house in order, which I doubt will happen any time soon.
Maybe there were virtually no prominent labour MP's through the campaigning for a reason.
This would also mean that they would have to get their house in order, which I doubt will happen any time soon.
Lovely Salsa
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8 years ago the usd was basically worthless, now its at all time high of the 00's.....thanks obama?
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