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[Napoleonthechimp]

I think I'm done trying to discuss stuff with people on the Daily Express website. It is unreal how completely detached they are from reality.

They were literally saying that Gove is a man of principals and that Boris Johnson was going to overturn the referendum result. I mean fucking hell... Gove and these nutters are two peas in a pod. Support Boris and rally for the UK to leave, and then afterwards turn around, stab him in the back and claim Boris was the opposite of what he was.

I can't speak to these people, either in person or online, because there is something seriously wrong with them. They don't seem fully awake, almost as if they're in a trance.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I have worked in places and not signed the waiver, just leave the law as it is.

FWIW I don't actually have any problem leaving it as it is. I'm certainly not going to campaign to get rid of it. But, generally speaking, I don't like limits on how much you can work. I mean there are exemptions in the law already - I just like there being an exception for "people that want it".

Which... is the law. Ok you're right, let's leave it as it is!

 

[dumbo]

So, at a time that employment is expected to decrease due to increasing automation, the UK is looking to increase working hours...

And people thought that brexit didn't have a plan... there's clearly genius at work somewhere.

 

[Lego Boss]

Yeah, I do know that's what they mean. A) It's already like that (I've had to opt out in every professional contract I've ever signed) and B) 'hours worked' is no different to any other facet of a job that's negotiable. Some people actually want and like working more if they want or like the extra money.

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In other news...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...role-as-brexit-negotiator-in-eu-talks-that-w/

In an article that will inevitably be seen as an offer by Mr Blair to play a part in the negotiations, the former prime minister says: “There is going to be a negotiation of extraordinary complexity where there are a thousand devils in every detail... This needs serious statesmanship.”

Yessssssssss.

I'm an academic at a university in the Midlands and I often work more than my stipulated hours. For my students, for colleagues, for my research. I do it because I'm willing (sometimes becasue I have to), but my manager would never expect me to. She wouldn't even ask me.

When I get some journalistic wanker telling me what this brave new world should be, then I'm afraid it's time to get medieval. This is only going to go away through direct action. That's where it's going and that's what's going to happen.

This is partly a result of the earlier post about my wife being subject to casual racism at work. My anger hasn't disappated. It's flattened out.

Fuck 'em and their law.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

I, for one, welcome the return of the workhouse.

Lest we forget that workhouses and child labour are the foundations of this great nation.

 

[Maledict]

Groups of business representatives are being sent to U.S. and China respectively for trade deal negotiation... We are basically begging them for mercy, right?

We literally don't have anyone who can write a trade deal. BUsiness representatives are all well and good but they don't actually deliver anything. It's one of the biggest "hidden issues" with Brexit - we don't have the skills, either legal, technical or diplomatic, to actually do it. Never mind create new trade deals at the same time (which are always horrendously complicated and take hundreds of specialists to write up).

 

[klonere]

What I'm hearing is "Kill the Poor" loud and clear.

Stiff upper lip lads.

 

[danowat]

Lest we forget that workhouses and child labour are the foundations of this great nation.

Yup, that's effectively what made Britain Great in the first place.

 

[PJV3]

FWIW I don't actually have any problem leaving it as it is. I'm certainly not going to campaign to get rid of it. But, generally speaking, I don't like limits on how much you can work. I mean there are exemptions in the law already - I just like there being an exception for "people that want it".

Which... is the law. Ok you're right, let's leave it as it is!

It's just not the time to be talking about it, let's try and get out of this mess with shirts on our backs first.

The right have potentially more to lose when the bogeymen of the EU are gone.

 

[kmag]

Speaking to people I know, it looks like a fair few firms in the city are battening down. As usual IT spend is getting hit first, a number of people I know have had contracts terminated or notice given.

My own business has slowed up in terms of actual proper work, but I'm offsetting that by doing my most two hated things: ISO auditing and delivering some training courses.

 

[Fiend]

I think I'm done trying to discuss stuff with people on the Daily Express website. It is unreal how completely detached they are from reality.

They were literally saying that Gove is a man of principals and that Boris Johnson was going to overturn the referendum result. I mean fucking hell... Gove and these nutters are two peas in a pod. Support Boris and rally for the UK to leave, and then afterwards turn around, stab him in the back and claim Boris was the opposite of what he was.

I can't speak to these people, either in person or online, because there is something seriously wrong with them. They don't seem fully awake, almost as if they're in a trance.

The last part somehow reminds me of 1984, queue doomsday scenario.

 

[BossDarkseid]

I'm actually getting headache from some of these headlines.

A boggled mind wouldn't even contemplate some of these.

 

[Morat]

Lest we forget that workhouses and child labour are the foundations of this great nation.

Don't forget the Triangular Trade

 

[jakonovski]

So, at a time that employment is expected to decrease due to increasing automation, the UK is looking to increase working hours...

And people thought that brexit didn't have a plan... there's clearly genius at work somewhere.

For the longest time, the world at large has tied recognition as a human being to having a (lucrative) job. It was all too predictable that a regressive movement would rush to do that.

 

[CyclopsRock]

We're actually looking forward to GBP dropping - we're an exporter with almost all our customers abroad and almost all our expenses in GBP. This is good for us, either to earn more or to be more competitive against foreign competitors. In fact, we just got a payment from Dubai and it came a day later than expected and, as a result, we "lost" £40k because it was the day GBP bounced back a bit.

Ultimately this will be good for us generally.

 

[Aureon]

Apparently, it might be true:

https://twitter.com/gzibordi/status/747242697119891457

(Jaw dropped.)

That guy is a loon. Inflation scaremongerer, NWO and all the jazz.
(Tweet maker, not Schulz.)

 

[jelly]

Groups of business representatives are being sent to U.S. and China respectively for trade deal negotiation... We are basically begging them for mercy, right?

Did they bring lube and sign the no safe word wavier ?

 

[Burai]

Just out of interest, would there be anything stopping us allowing the free movement of labour from the EU, but demolishing employees rights to make working here so awful that no-one would ever want to work here?

Im just wondering/praying that there's something regarding human rights in these trade deals we'll be doing.

 

[jelly]

We're actually looking forward to GBP dropping - we're an exporter with almost all our customers abroad and almost all our expenses in GBP. This is good for us, either to earn more or to be more competitive against foreign competitors. In fact, we just got a payment from Dubai and it came a day later than expected and, as a result, we "lost" £40k because it was the day GBP bounced back a bit.

Ultimately this will be good for us generally.

What happens when you import materials at a higher cost?

 

[YianGaruga]

Wouldn't trade negotiations be violating the EU law? According to that recent article at least.

What's EU gonna do? Kick em out?

 

[Funky Papa]

What's EU gonna do? Kick em out?

The EU could play hardball with the UK.

But it won't come to that. Other partners won't stablish trade deals with the UK against regulations because the UK is a comparatively small and now potentially unstable market compared against the EU, which means they will value continued smooth trade with the EU as per usual over trading with the UK and pissing off the EU.

 

[hodgy100]

What's EU gonna do? Kick em out?

no but they can fine or put restrictions on the UK. which could potentially be disastrous in this precarious situation. We need to be on our best behaviour to get the best bargaining position as well.

 

[Palculator]

What's EU gonna do? Kick em out?

Hehe. For reallionaires, though, I'd imagine if it's actually a violation of a regulation they'd be sued and fined. The article says:

It is also against EU law for a member to negotiate its own trade deals with outsiders, which means the UK cannot start doing this until after it has left the EU.

 

[GamerMax73]

Lest we forget that workhouses and child labour are the foundations of this great nation.

And Slavery, don't forget the slave trade.

Workhouses, Child Labour, The Slave Trade, and Opium are the foundations of this..

Dammit, the four things our great nation is built on is...

Workhouses, Child Labour, The Slave Trade, Opium and Foreign Rule.

No, no, the 5 foundations of modern Britain are...

(as a nation we've a lot to be proud of )

 

[blazinglord]

The Shadow Chancellor's speech is being covered by the Guardian liveblog.

There is no appetite from McDonnell to contest the next election on a platform of staying in the EU, the shadow chancellor inferred in his speech today.

McDonnell says he wants to be absolutely clear on immigration. After the UK leaves the EU “free movement of labour and people will come to an end.”

Guess it's all over since it looks like the two main parties will be in favour of Brexit and getting rid of freedom of movement. Such irony though, that the best chance of staying in the EU was pro-immigration Boris Johnson who a lot of remainers couldn't stand.

 

[GamerMax73]

Just out of interest, would there be anything stopping us allowing the free movement of labour from the EU, but demolishing employees rights to make working here so awful that no-one would ever want to work here?

Nope, just keep voting Tory and worker rights will eventually dissipate in the great name of capitalism for British subject and foreign nationals working here alike.

 

[kmag]

What happens when you import materials at a higher cost?

Still a net win in most industries when you consider how much of the final price of products is profit. Obviously low margin goods are a bit of an issue and exporters of those may lose out a bit comparatively if parts or raw materials are externally sourced.

 

[YianGaruga]

The EU could play hardball with the UK.

But it won't come to that. Other partners won't stablish trade deals with the UK against regulations because the UK is a comparatively small and now potentially unstable market compared against the EU, which means they will value continued smooth trade with the EU as per usual over trading with the UK and pissing off the EU.

no but they can fine or put restrictions on the UK. which could potentially be disastrous in this precarious situation. We need to be on our best behaviour to get the best bargaining position as well.

Hehe. For reallionaires, though, I'd imagine if it's actually a violation of a regulation they'd be sued and fined. The article says:

whoa thread is in serious mode today. I was just joking!

 

[Palculator]

whoa thread is in serious mode today. I was just joking!

I know, hence the "hehe"

I've seen the actual question of what the EU could do asked sincerely way earlier, though, so I thought it was worth answering nonetheless.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Telegraph ramping up into full Telegraph mode.

Foxconn soon to expand production to the UK.

 

[Crumpo]

Question on banking passport (at work so can't research easily)-how relevant will this be when MiFid II comes into force in 2018?

If the provisions are equivalent then a Norway deal (which doesn't include passporting) should have little impact on financial services.

 

[Joni]

Just out of interest, would there be anything stopping us allowing the free movement of labour from the EU, but demolishing employees rights to make working here so awful that no-one would ever want to work here?

Im just wondering/praying that there's something regarding human rights in these trade deals we'll be doing.

The United Kingdom could proudly join Belarus, the Vatican City and Kazakhstan as nations that don't accept the European Convention on Human Rights, as part of the Council of Europe.

Question on banking passport (at work so can't research easily)-how relevant will this be when MiFid II comes into force in 2018?

If the provisions are equivalent then a Norway deal (which doesn't include passporting) should have little impact on financial services.

Mifid concerns specifically selling investment services, mainly talking about the protections for the buyers, while the banking passport allows one bank to work in entire Europe without asking a license in each country.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Foxconn soon to expand production to the UK.

Perfect.

That way we can become one of the world's great producers again.

#GreatererBritain

 

[hodgy100]

whoa thread is in serious mode today. I was just joking!

yeah sorry. I suffer from serious poe's law with all this, literally can't tell if someone is actually joking even with "hehe" at the end due to all the people being disingenuous about it all

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Telegraph ramping up into full Telegraph mode.

Uh... I'm 100% certain I've had to sign an opt out of the EU working time directive on a couple of occasions. So we've always had the ability to decide to work ungodly shifts.

 

[oti]

Or, a boner.

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Nein.

 

[CyclopsRock]

What happens when you import materials at a higher cost?

We don't have many. We make films and animations, so all our workstations and servers and that are obviously from American companies, but we have no need to actually buy any more. Overwhelmingly our largest cost is human, who are all based on London.

 

[Steve.1981]

At least for a few days, I'm switching off from all of this. I've had a bad headache the last couple of days and I'm sure it's a result of constantly, desperately checking up on and keeping up with every little piece of breaking news since last Thursday, and repeating the same arguments over and over again with people who seem to be living in a different reality from me.

God knows where we're headed. It's a confusing, difficult process we're all going through in the next year or two. Good luck everyone.

 

[Maledict]

The Shadow Chancellor's speech is being covered by the Guardian liveblog.





Guess it's all over since it looks like the two main parties will be in favour of Brexit and getting rid of freedom of movement. Such irony though, that the best chance of staying in the EU was pro-immigration Boris Johnson who a lot of remainers couldn't stand.

This is why Labour is trying to take Corbyn out. The party is overwhelming in favour of staying in the EU, but they know Corbyn and McDonnel will happily take them out because they have wanted too for decades on the basis of arguments that were fought and lost in the 70s.

 

[andythinkpad]

UK is the home of Adam Smith not Karl Marx. Britain never had the heart in socialist economic policies.

 

[Hasney]

Goves launch platform. Apparently going to take a lot of questions to "draw out the poison" according to Chris Ship.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

We don't have many. We make films and animations, so all our workstations and servers and that are obviously from American companies, but we have no need to actually buy any more. Overwhelmingly our largest cost is human, who are all based on London.

I think our firm's (legal services) only import is coffee...

 

[Halph n Halph]

And Slavery, don't forget the slave trade.

Workhouses, Child Labour, The Slave Trade, and Opium are the foundations of this..

Dammit, the four things our great nation is built on is...

Workhouses, Child Labour, The Slave Trade, Opium and Foreign Rule.

No, no, the 5 foundations of modern Britain are...

(as a nation we've a lot to be proud of )

What Britain needs to # makebritaingreatagain is a London based, government funded, privately controlled import export company. It could be called something catchy like TEITCo.

The shitty way Great Britain treated huge parts of the world makes me wonder why they aren't all finishing us off right now

 

[Morat]

UK is the home of Adam Smith not Karl Marx. Britain never had the heart in socialist economic policies.

Although Marx wrote Das Kapital in London, largely in the reading room of the British Library. But yes, he did say that England is the rock against which revolution breaks.

 

[Palculator]

At least for a few days, I'm switching off from all of this. I've had a bad headache the last couple of days and I'm sure it's a result of constantly, desperately checking up on and keeping up with every little piece of breaking news since last Thursday, and repeating the same arguments over and over again with people who seem to be living in a different reality from me.

God knows where we're headed. It's a confusing, difficult process we're all going through in the next year or two. Good luck everyone.

I'm certain actual prolonged exposure to the 24h news cycle has detrimental effects on mental health even under normal circumstances, let alone these current levels of fuckery.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Who cares what Farage says? He's not even an MP. He has no power.

FYI I completely agree with the Telegraph. It's up to people and businesses to decide how many hours are worked. In fact, it already is, isn't it? We have an opt-out of the European Working Time Directive, non?

You agree with the line about social protections too?

This has nothing to do with the EU WTD. It's everything to with telling people if they don't do 70 hour weeks, they don't have a job.

It doesn't even need to be that blatant. If everyone is on a zero hour contract, the people who are willing and able to put 14 hours a day will get hours and the rest pittance.

 

[Goldfishking]

At least for a few days, I'm switching off from all of this. I've had a bad headache the last couple of days and I'm sure it's a result of constantly, desperately checking up on and keeping up with every little piece of breaking news since last Thursday, and repeating the same arguments over and over again with people who seem to be living in a different reality from me.

I've just gave up caring.

 

[kmag]

We don't have many. We make films and animations, so all our workstations and servers and that are obviously from American companies, but we have no need to actually buy any more. Overwhelmingly our largest cost is human, who are all based on London.

Wouldn't the limitation on the freedom of movement affect you more? Or is it one of the few creative companies who haven't shipped in cheaper labour from Eastern Europe? I doubt given the rate at which colleges and uni's pump out qualified students who struggle to get work that field that the creative industries would do well with labour needs under a points system.

 

[d9b]

So now that Britain has gone full rogue nation, will Tom Cruise fight against UK's Prime Minister in the next Mission Impossible movie?

 

[Maledict]

So now that Britain has gone full rogue nation, will Tom Cruise fight against UK's Prime Minister in the next Mission Impossible movie?

If I understand my Call of Duty games properly, I think we launch and invasion of the USA which involves dropping tanks with parachutes on the White House?