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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I was talking to economist mate of mine, who is naturally on the pessimistic side.
I asked him, at least in terms of buying luxury goods, where he think we are going to end up.
He said one word and it chilled me to the core.
Brazil.
Could it get that bad?
I asked him, at least in terms of buying luxury goods, where he think we are going to end up.
He said one word and it chilled me to the core.
Brazil.
Could it get that bad?
Brazil is a tad too pessimistic. But stuff in general and especially luxury goods will get more expensive. There's no way around that.
On the other hand exporters will find it more competitive.
GamerMax73
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If a GE was announced right now I'd vote LD. If Labour got their shit together they could swing my vote with the right messages, but I doubt it. Under ordinary circumstances I wouldn't vote Tory - under these circumstances...I just feel like I'm living a nightmare and can't wake up - pinch me, pinch me.
We are further down the road than brazil, already had the expenses scandal etc. Only reason it is not as violent is because the country stopped having guns readily available.
PS4 = $1700
The reason for that absurd price are the Brazilian measurements for punishing imports. They want a certain percentage of the value chain to be located in Brazil, hence strengthening the Brazilian economy. If you don't do that, you have to pay more taxes. So companies let the consumers do that by selling their goods for higher prices.
Funky Papa
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I'd be very surprised if it went to a ballot of the members. Baring some scandal coming out in the next few days, May's got it in the bag, and I think everyone knows it. Crabb will step down for a decent position in the cabinet, Leadsom will probably head up May's Brexit task force, and Gove will be given some vague backroom promises about being welcomed back into the fold at some point in the future.
Edit: Actually, Conservative MPs narrow it down to two candidates don't they? In that case, Gove is unlikely to get anything as he'll surely be eliminated before it goes to the members.
was watching this man's lectures before the election hoping he would get a much bigger platform to educate people before they committed constitutional suicide.
Ahem. As negative as I am about things right now, let's not go overboard here.
The expenses scandal was the most embarrassing, British scandal in history. It was (for politics) tiny amounts for doing stupid things to bump up their pay packet. No-one was bribed, no corruption occurred beyond a pack of greedy MPS making money off out-dated rules to clean their moat.
Brazils' corruption involves both parties exploiting state resources to the tune of literally hundreds of millions of pounds to fund their election campaign and bribe supporters. It also includes hiding massive amounts of debt off the countries accounts to disguise how bad things were. The Brazilian Olympics are a horrific quagmire of corruption on top of that, never mind the corpses turning up in the volleyball area.
There are many, many things to be ashamed off about our country right now - the racism, the xenophobia, the "little englander" mentality, the abject craven grab for power our politicians have revealed. But we aren't at tha level.
CyclopsRock
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He arguably had an easier time though, as an advocate for London which overwhelmingly benefits from immigration and for whom it's an integral part of its DNA. There's basically no one who has a living memory of London as anything other than a cosmopolitan melting pot. For other parts of the country this isn't the case.
GamerMax73
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Damn those Emporer Palpatine morphs earlier seem even more on point.
CyclopsRock
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I had a Spanish friend at the time who was all "I don't get the big deal?! A few hundred pounds for a duck moat? Who cares! Our defence minister literally stole 25 million Euros! This is nothing!"
I think it's to our credit that it was such a big deal despite the - in the grand scheme of things - small numbers involved.
Funky Papa
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Hey, don't bring our national misery to this thread. This is the UK Mockery OT.
CyclopsRock
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Don't get me started on Movistar's glacial broadband - sorry, "broadband" - speeds on the south coast.
shinra-bansho
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36680463
Is there a reason that UK Labour is both buying into the anti-immigration sentiment and further entertaining the delusion that this will somehow be achieved while securing the latter demands.
Yep. I mean, it's not excuseable but at the same time it really is nothing at all compared to...well anywhere. Even Germany has better bribery and financial scandals. Hell, America effectively just legalized bribery!
The scale of corruption in parliament is, compared to any other equivalent country, so absurdly, ridiculously tiny it's embarrassing. If I didn't know several MPs and could see first hand the fact they don't actually have much money at all, I'd suspect there was some massive scandal behind the scenes or something.
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Because Corbyn and McDonnell are a bunch of ****s.
They have been against the EU since we joined in the 70s, view it as a neoliberal corporatist organization, and undermined the remain campaign from the start. They don't want freedom of movement and immigration for the same reason Trade unions didn't in the 70s - migrant Labour replacing trade union jobs.
Both sides know this isn't possible, but they emphasize the immigration over the economy because they feel it's politically better for them. Both parties are trying to play to the 52% crowd and ignoring the 48% remain crowd.
Palculator
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They are doing it because, going by recent events, here is the list of things British politicians understand about the EU:
It's strange, but until you mentioned this I haven't even thought about it. I guess in the end it's not too surprising as all of the parties just seem completely skewed at this point. When was the last time Labour was actually focused on labour?
oh my god i want to die
The wing of the Labour party which have now taken it over hold the EU in contempt anyway.
FlammableD
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Hopefully the challenger runs on the pro EU platform and the Corbyn voters are taken by that.
They also are against the free movement of labour. Such is their muddle that they think free movement of capital is fine, but not of people.
SymbiantXenos
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That's for a single Fredo.
Because we don't have enough party infighting right now, Farage is attacking Carswell:
Also, utterly bizarre that McDonnell and Corbyn are taking credit for the Tories dropping the fiscal rule. Truly batty, I don't know who they think will believe that outside of their already slavishly devoted base.
I think in their ideal world they would get rid of free movement of capital, services & goods before movement. They are just too cowardly to actually admit that.
Also, utterly bizarre that McDonnell and Corbyn are taking credit for the Tories dropping the fiscal rule. Truly batty, I don't know who they think will believe that outside of their already slavishly devoted base.
I think in their ideal world they would get rid of free movement of capital, services & goods before movement. They are just too cowardly to actually admit that.
PJV3
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I got the de-industrialisation period under Thatcher as it clobbered labour areas and it was in decline, the City is like the dogs bollocks of finance and Tory land.
And people like Leadsom were moderate Eurosceptics and now they are prepared to go WTO and tank the economy.
And the amusing thing is, Corbyn actually isn't that lax on immigration. He's only taken that public stance because the main party, and his supporters, are. Corbyn has always been against free movement of Labour for the same reason the trade unions were back in the 70s - it can cause wage depression and replacement of trade union jobs with non-Union workers.
Hey you know how Remain failed to inform Welsh voters of the significant funding that Wales receives from the EU? Fortunately, this Leave campaigner had their back:
'They gave us a fuckton of money but we failed to spend it in an effective way'
haHAA
OK. It's time GAF started a political party.
I might post a new thread: If NeoGAF had a political party what would its policies be and who would be its members.
KMAG as head of the Civil Service?
FlammableD
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Me klonere and Hasney will take Sport.
ALL SPORTS BANNED AND REPLACED WITH BRITWRES
ALL SPORTS BANNED AND REPLACED WITH BRITWRES
Soulsborne games lore mandatory subject in schools.
Eat the Torys
At the end of my GCSEs, my school had a mock GE where we made manifestos. That's where I realised to never trust my friends to have good views.
The most fascist argument that we ended up having to include, was that prisoners would be forced into labour. And not just any labour, running human (hamster) wheels to generation energy for the rest of the population.
My policy was that the upper income tax would be 49% instead of 50%, just because it would be fair if they at least got a little more than half.
Haha, I was so fucking naïve back then.
I've done that with Amazon.
SneakyStephan
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So Labour have set out their stall for Brexit negotiations. No contesting of Brexit, and no contesting of a need to curtail freedom of movement. Five key points are:
1) Freedom of trade in the UK and EU (note not specifically single market access)
2) REsidency rights for EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU
3) Protections at work from EU law maintained
4) UK role in the EU investment bank maintained
5) Financial services ability to business in Europe maintained
It's a weird hodgepodge of things. Number 1 seems to be a step away from single market access, which could mean anything. Number 2 is absolutely on point and ridiculous it's even up for discussion. Same with number 3. Number 4 is just bizarre - 90% of the EU Investment bank funding goes to EU countries, why on earth would THIS be one of our main points for discussion? In the scope of things who cares? And number 5 is sensible and slightly unexpected.
My main complaint is that Labour is absolutely set on Brexit. Right now I feel I have a stronger chance that the Tories back away from it than Labour does under the current leadership, and it does feel like a complete betrayal by the party. They seem to be eager to accept it as a done deal.
1) Freedom of trade in the UK and EU (note not specifically single market access)
2) REsidency rights for EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU
3) Protections at work from EU law maintained
4) UK role in the EU investment bank maintained
5) Financial services ability to business in Europe maintained
It's a weird hodgepodge of things. Number 1 seems to be a step away from single market access, which could mean anything. Number 2 is absolutely on point and ridiculous it's even up for discussion. Same with number 3. Number 4 is just bizarre - 90% of the EU Investment bank funding goes to EU countries, why on earth would THIS be one of our main points for discussion? In the scope of things who cares? And number 5 is sensible and slightly unexpected.
My main complaint is that Labour is absolutely set on Brexit. Right now I feel I have a stronger chance that the Tories back away from it than Labour does under the current leadership, and it does feel like a complete betrayal by the party. They seem to be eager to accept it as a done deal.
Yes and in a tweet, McDonnell is saying we will 'oppose alls changes to employment law'.
If you're in power you don't oppose it, you just don't do it, but he's basically saying that they are no more than a party of protest.
I think Corbyn, in his own weak, B-male hubristic way is just as culpable as any on the right. I don't think I'll be voting for them again anytime soon.
If you're in power you don't oppose it, you just don't do it, but he's basically saying that they are no more than a party of protest.
I think Corbyn, in his own weak, B-male hubristic way is just as culpable as any on the right. I don't think I'll be voting for them again anytime soon.
Labour's plans for Brexit is actually, to some extent, the worst case scenario in the long run. They'll be at the helm of a recession while failing to teach the population that we're better off completely out, and then after 5 years (or less) of power, Britain will go SUPER right.
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