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[SporeCrawler]

When one man from one country starts dictating policy for a union of 27 countries then it starts giving legitimacy to the leavers.

Wow she said she thinks that it will not happen in her lifetime but that she hopes that it will happen later down the road.

Just to be clear, the German Minister of Defence said this in a talk show. She got questioned about a quote from a few years ago when she said she wanted the United States of Europe to become reality. She dodged that name but said the Unites States of Europe won't happen in her lifetime and neither would UK re-entering the EU.

And that she hopes it will happen later

 

[geordiemp]

Nice to know some German ministers still think they can make unilateral decisions for 27 countries. That's really helpful.

Wow, every country makes mistakes, if everyone had that attitude the world would be fucked.

 

[ferrasvansen]

She said it more because she doesn't believe in it, not that she doesn't want to.

Yeah but she isn't allowed an opinion if you look on here ffs, she wasn't stating a fact, just her thoughts.... sigh.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Wow she said she thinks that it will not happen in her lifetime but that she hopes that it will happen later down the road.

And that she hopes it will happen later

To be fair I didn't watch it, which you should know as I called her a man.

 

[RedSparrows]

Just to be clear, the German Minister of Defence said this in a talk show. She got questioned about a quote from a few years ago when she said she wanted the United States of Europe to become reality. She dodged that name but said the Unites States of Europe won't happen in her lifetime and neither would UK re-entering the EU.

hey stop pointing out what actually happened

 

[Corronchilejano]

When one man from one country starts dictating policy for a union of 27 countries then it starts giving legitimacy to the leavers.

She's not giving policy. The UK was already pretty clear in te fact that they do not wish to belong to the EU. Germany has no other option than to remind everyone there's no backsies because this affected the entire EU economy.

The UK could've worked with the rest of the EU to change policies, instead they decided to leave.

 

[danthefan]

hey stop pointing out what actually happened

Yeah! I want to get outraged.

 

[oti]

hey stop pointing out what actually happened

I don't want to add even more confusion to this unstable situation.

 

[avaya]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32779CpfymI

some levity.

 

[jorma]

Make sure it is a super majority next time and then no one can complain.
.

Dude, people aren't accepting a defeat NOW when they're the minority. But suddenly no one will complain if they win 55-45 and still lose because they didn't get a "supermajority".

Seems kinda.. not very likely.

 

[SporeCrawler]

Nice to know some German ministers still think they can make unilateral decisions for 27 countries. That's really helpful.

Re- entering would require consensus of all states btw. so yeah one country can veto

 

[Canadian]

I find this whole situation very interesting. I'm a Canadian with EU citizenship because both my parents were Polish immigrants to Canada. I myself have been living in the UK for the last two years, studying and now working.

Canada is made up entirely of immigrants and I think that being open to different cultures and having a diverse group of people is healthy. Everyone has a different background, but we are all Canadian. People are more the same than different, but its the differences people wanted to focus on during the Brexit campaign. Everyone wants to help their families, feel safe and work for a better future.

I don't think immigration was the only reason people wanted to leave the EU but it was a big reason in the leave campaign's push for Brexit . I don't think the UK is better off from isolating itself from the rest of Europe.

Clearly the rest of the world doesn't think it's a good idea when the pound took a huge hit and lost a lot of it's value. I am interested to see this play out over the next few weeks, months and years.

 

[LilJoka]

And if it's 51% for leave, do we have another vote after? What about if it's 51% for remain?

Valid point, but unlikely considering what is happening in the UK.

Leave voters did not expect:
1. NHS 350m lie.
2. Leave voters did not expect labour and tory parties to go into meltdown.
3. They did not expect the potential break up of the UK.
4. They are undoubtedly more aware of the "strings" attached to all the promises made.

Next, voters of younger ages, only 36% 18-25 year old voted. With social media, and the huge influx of posts, petitions, videos and shares, young people are undoubtedly more aware of the consequences of the referendum, and how much impact it could have on them. Thus much more likely to vote, either way, and would be a much better consensus.

Taking that into account, i very much doubt that the vote would swing so close.

 

[Corto]

German Minister of Defence: UK will not re-enter the EU in my lifetime.

How old is he?

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Dude, people aren't accepting a defeat NOW when they're the minority. But suddenly no one will complain if they win 55-45 and still lose because they didn't get a "supermajority".

Seems kinda.. not very likely.

I'm thinking more 65%. You know something quite large. But I'm also saying that remain would need that, and if it fails then leave still goes ahead. Keep it fair.

 

[oti]

How old is he?

She's 57.

 

[Lucumo]

Re- entering would require consensus of all states btw. so yeah one country can veto

Scotland to veto entry of England+Wales into the EU.

 

[PJV3]

Just to be clear, the German Minister of Defence said this in a talk show. She got questioned about a quote from a few years ago when she said she wanted the United States of Europe to become reality. She dodged that name but said the Unites States of Europe won't happen in her lifetime and neither would UK re-entering the EU.

I just realised it's the same for me, mid 40s.
Pretty depressing to realise that's it, over.

 

[Audioboxer]

Been kinda focused on the Scottish angle, because I'm in Scotland.

Do we have a GibraltarGAF? They've been fucked over more than anyone, and not one mention in that Question Time nonsense.

Dread to think how they are feeling.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Where was this said?
If he feels like this, I don't think the UK will get a good deal.

Nice to know some German ministers still think they can make unilateral decisions for 27 countries. That's really helpful.

Because the german minister of defence has the power to decide that. ...

She didn't meant that she doesn't want the UK to re-enter the EU, it sounded more like a fear of her.

 

[Kabouter]

Valid point, but unlikely considering what is happening in the UK.

Leave voters did not expect:
1. NHS 350m lie.
2. Leave voters did not expect labour and tory parties to go into meltdown.
3. They did not expect the potential break up of the UK.
4. They are undoubtedly more aware of the "strings" attached to all the promises made.

Next, voters of younger ages, only 36% 18-25 year old voted. With social media, and the huge influx of posts, petitions, videos and shares, young people are undoubtedly more aware of the consequences of the referendum, and how much impact it could have on them. Thus much more likely to vote, either way, and would be a much better consensus.

Taking that into account, i very much doubt that the vote would swing so close.

And in a rerun of the referendum you'd also get people voting who are angry that the majority vote is being ignored, and far right parties both in the UK and elsewhere would make the most of pointing out the 'anti-democratic nature' of 'the establishment'.

 

[Plum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32779CpfymI

some levity.

The funniest thing about this is that these joke politicians have more of a plan to deal with their joke crisis than our real politicians have with our real crisis.

 

[D4Danger]

Scotland to veto entry of Enland+Wales into the EU.

Actually that would be pretty funny.

 

[SomTervo]

And beneath come the 'it's all fine we're discussing it now we're out yay! leave campaign bears no responsibility' nonsense.

Technically, conceivably, arguably true. Realistically, actually, emotionally, 'common sensiscally'? Get in the sea

Ftfy

 

[Auctopus]

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I am at Channel 4 for naming their Referendum documentary something along the lines of "David vs. Boris".

Distilling the issues and arguments of the referendum in to the personalities of those two men was reckless.

 

[Dorsal Axe]

And beneath come the 'it's all fine we're discussing it now we're out yay! leave campaign bears no responsibility' nonsense.

Technically, conceivably, arguably true. Realistically, actually, emotionally, 'common sensiscally'? Get on your fucking bikes.

The blind faith a lot of these people have that "things will just work themselves out" make me realise I need to get out of this literal nuthouse called the UK.

 

[RedSparrows]

And in a rerun of the referendum you'd also get people voting who are angry that the majority vote is being ignored, and far right parties both in the UK and elsewhere would make the most of pointing out the anti-democratic nature of 'the establishment'.

Yup. It's a terrible idea. As terrible as the idea of the referendum in the first place, but for even less democratic reasons.

And I voted Remain and think most Leave arguments I've seen to be bullshit.

 

[Audioboxer]

Valid point, but unlikely considering what is happening in the UK.

Leave voters did not expect:
1. NHS 350m lie.
2. Leave voters did not expect labour and tory parties to go into meltdown.
3. They did not expect the potential break up of the UK.
4. They are undoubtedly more aware of the "strings" attached to all the promises made.

Next, voters of younger ages, only 36% 18-25 year old voted. With social media, and the huge influx of posts, petitions, videos and shares, young people are undoubtedly more aware of the consequences of the referendum, and how much impact it could have on them. Thus much more likely to vote, either way, and would be a much better consensus.

Taking that into account, i very much doubt that the vote would swing so close.

To be fair there the SNP did make it clear beforehand they would push for indyref2 if Scotland got dragged out against Scottish vote.

 

[Lime]

No, it's really not.

This thread is full of people thinking they know what every voter was voting for. They don't. I won't deny that a significant amount of people are ignorant toward imigration, blindly believing the tabloids, but there are other issues that people are worried about.

The UK is most definitely a racist society.

Right I agree that there's a multitude of reasons for voting Leave but the data and surveys show that a significant portion of the votes were motivated by immigration and closing the borders. We have to acknowledge the xenophobia in order to address it somehow.

 

[dumbo]

Nice to know some German ministers still think they can make unilateral decisions for 27 countries. That's really helpful.

I'm not sure whether he's stating that he'd block it, or just stating the obvious.

The EU has long wanted tighter integration and a more 'federal' structure. The UK, as a member, always voted/vetoed against that.

Without the UK, the EU will likely move more rapidly towards tighter integration... in that situation the UK would probably not rejoin.

/shrug

 

[Mr.Fletcher]

Valid point, but unlikely considering what is happening in the UK.

Leave voters did not expect:
1. NHS 350m lie.
2. Leave voters did not expect labour and tory parties to go into meltdown.
3. They did not expect the potential break up of the UK.
4. They are undoubtedly more aware of the "strings" attached to all the promises made.

Next, voters of younger ages, only 36% 18-25 year old voted. With social media, and the huge influx of posts, petitions, videos and shares, young people are undoubtedly more aware of the consequences of the referendum, and how much impact it could have on them. Thus much more likely to vote, either way, and would be a much better consensus.

Taking that into account, i very much doubt that the vote would swing so close.

I think many Leave voters are more educated than you give them credit for.

I'm sure plenty of them knew all of your points but made their choice anyway - which is totally fine.

Issues such as sovereignty and the structure of the EU may have been enough for many.

If we held it tomorrow I doubt you'd see much change. Young people never vote in the same force as the elderly.

 

[jonno394]

She didn't meant that she doesn't want the UK to re-enter the EU, it sounded more like a fear of her.

Yeah not having heard it and only reading made me think a "the UK will not reenter eu in my life time (we will make sure of that)" kind of way. Clearly I misinterpreted!

 

[liquidtmd]

The blind faith a lot of these people have that "things will just work themselves out" make me realise I need to get out of this literal nuthouse.

Yup. Facebook is INSANE for this currently.

*person who voted leave: "MAN I wish everyone would stop being a politician on here fucking lol itll be fine we are the UK we just need to come together innit"*

They honestly believe life will be the same come leaving day.

Its madness

 

[SporeCrawler]

Scotland to veto entry of England+Wales into the EU.

UK really needs a codified constitution. What a clusterfuck where nobody knows who is responsible and what kind of rights certain regions have or not

 

[SlickShoes]

Valid point, but unlikely considering what is happening in the UK.

Leave voters did not expect:
1. NHS 350m lie.
2. Leave voters did not expect labour and tory parties to go into meltdown.
3. They did not expect the potential break up of the UK.
4. They are undoubtedly more aware of the "strings" attached to all the promises made.

Next, voters of younger ages, only 36% 18-25 year old voted. With social media, and the huge influx of posts, petitions, videos and shares, young people are undoubtedly more aware of the consequences of the referendum, and how much impact it could have on them. Thus much more likely to vote, either way, and would be a much better consensus.

Taking that into account, i very much doubt that the vote would swing so close.

Anyone who didn't see this leading to Scotland wanting to leave the uk hasn't been paying any attention. By leaving the EU the rest of uk has pretty much removed every convincing reason the no campaign had at the time. The only big thing left is oil and the pride of being British which im sure is severely diminished now north of the border.

Not convinced that enough people would vote remain if you held the vote again this week though. It'll be interesting to see some polls come out and see how it's swung.

I wish more young people could be bothered to vote I have no idea why they wouldn't, it just seems so wasteful for such a large % of them not to bother.

 

[paradox121]

I've been thinking about this and I believe more and more that Cameron shares a big part of the blame for Brexit largely because of that broken promise. I also noticed that on the day of the referendum (or the day before, I forget which), another statistic on net migration came out, showing a big net immigration number.

Politicians make impossible promises all the time, and often they get away with it. But people concerned about immigration look at his promise and how he didn't keep it (and in fact couldn't due to the way freedom of movement works), and here we are.

It's almost as if this whole thing could be pointed back squarely to Cameron and his ego-based promises.

I would not be shocked to learn Cameron had struck up a monkey-paw deal with some higher entity that allowed him to win last year on the condition that he started an EU referendum. Because what could possibly go wrong?

 

[TheChamp]

Odd question but wouldn't Scotland technically have powers to veto Brexit before it becomes a posibility?

Absolutely insane not just from David Cameron but the Labour party also, resigning JUST when this country needs our politicians just when the country needs to be united cross party to get the best negotiation deal they would rather fight for personal gain

 

[D4Danger]

Yeah not having heard it and only reading made me think a "the UK will not reenter eu in my life time (we will make sure of that)" kind of way. Clearly I misinterpreted!

Going by the tone of the thread that's how I read it too. Sorry if it wasn't meant like that.

 

[oti]

Yeah not having heard it and only reading made me think a "the UK will not reenter eu in my life time (we will make sure of that)" kind of way. Clearly I misinterpreted!

I'm sorry, I should've provided more context. She also said her "heart is bleeding" (it means her heart broke) over the UK leaving.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

LTTP here, as my ban has been lifted as of 58 minutes ago but, while it's been touched upon so many times in this thread already, I'm actually stunned at how Leave had zero contingency plans, should they get the result they wanted. But now I'm actually questioning if they actually wanted it, or did they just want to rile up some support from right wing supporters.

The writing should have been on the wall when last week, if I remember correctly, an audience member on Question Time asked if there was a contingency plan in place to all of the Vote Leave panel members, and not a single one of them had a good answer. I think it's just disgusting.

I also think people should be way more infuriated with David Cameron than they are. This referendum should never have happened ( don't come to me with "democracy"), and the only reason it did was because he thought it'd be a good power play in last year's GE. Dickhead.

 

[Dorsal Axe]

Hmm...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/german-official-says-u-k-might-reconsider-brexit-1466962055

BERLIN—The British government should be given time to weigh the consequences of an exit from the European Union, a close aide to German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said in the first sign that Berlin didn’t see Britons’ vote to leave the bloc as irrevocable.

“Politicians in London should have the possibility to think again about the fallout from an exit,” Peter Altmaier, the chancellor’s chief of staff, told a consortium of German regional newspapers in an interview to be published Monday.

To leave now would be “a deep cut with far-reaching consequences” and the process of reapplying for membership would take a long time, Mr. Altmaier added.

 

[hohoXD123]

Valid point, but unlikely considering what is happening in the UK.

Leave voters did not expect:
1. NHS 350m lie.
2. Leave voters did not expect labour and tory parties to go into meltdown.
3. They did not expect the potential break up of the UK.
4. They are undoubtedly more aware of the "strings" attached to all the promises made.

Next, voters of younger ages, only 36% 18-25 year old voted. With social media, and the huge influx of posts, petitions, videos and shares, young people are undoubtedly more aware of the consequences of the referendum, and how much impact it could have on them. Thus much more likely to vote, either way, and would be a much better consensus.

Taking that into account, i very much doubt that the vote would swing so close.

Think you're being a bit optimistic here. After being shafted by the conservative/lib dem coalition, there wasn't exactly a leap in voter turnout among young voters in the last general election.

Also, there are 'lies' in every single general election to decide the next governing party, we don't ask for reruns then.

 

[Fakeknowledge]

https://www.facebook.com/khalid.latif/videos/1563229807104689/

A fantastic poem

I recommend a watch

🔥🔥🔥

love that..

 

[avaya]

Odd question but wouldn't Scotland technically have powers to veto Brexit before it becomes a posibility?

Absolutely insane not just from David Cameron but the Labour party also, resigning JUST when this country needs out politicians just when the country needs to be united cross party to get the best negotiaion deal they would rather fight for personal gain

Yeah they have the power. So does NI I think.

 

[geordiemp]

And in a rerun of the referendum you'd also get people voting who are angry that the majority vote is being ignored, and far right parties both in the UK and elsewhere would make the most of pointing out the 'anti-democratic nature' of 'the establishment'.

Cant see anybody standing now for the right except for UKIP. Think Boris will come out and change his tune and nobody is going to stand for leave anyway, and in a election UKIP will be a nothing.

Hmm...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/german-official-says-u-k-might-reconsider-brexit-1466962055

Sounds promising, I would not be surprised if behind closed doors smart people are talking. I would hope so, I have some faith.

 

[Plum]

The blind faith a lot of these people have that "things will just work themselves out" make me realise I need to get out of this literal nuthouse called the UK.

Taking the Shaun of the Dead strategy to a real-life crisis is just typical of this country.

And yep, I need to get the fuck out of this place ASAP. Lets hope when I finish my degree in 3 years time there'll be somewhere that will take me.

 

[nature boy]

Doubling down (Corbyn):

 

[Kabouter]

I'm not sure whether he's stating that he'd block it, or just stating the obvious.

The EU has long wanted tighter integration and a more 'federal' structure. The UK, as a member, always voted/vetoed against that.

Without the UK, the EU will likely move more rapidly towards tighter integration... in that situation the UK would probably not rejoin.

/shrug

Looks to me like few member states actually want tighter integration. Some people might, including some in Brussels. But the heads of government who represent the real power in the European Union don't seem to long for it much.

 

[Blackthorn]

Anyone who didn't see this leading to Scotland wanting to leave the uk hasn't been paying any attention. By leaving the EU the rest of uk has pretty much removed every convincing reason the no campaign had at the time. The only big thing left is oil and the pride of being British which im sure is severely diminished now north of the border.

Not convinced that enough people would vote remain if you held the vote again this week though. It'll be interesting to see some polls come out and see how it's swung.

I wish more young people could be bothered to vote I have no idea why they wouldn't, it just seems so wasteful for such a large % of them not to bother.

I think the problem with a lot of young people is that they think they're not smart/experienced enough to make an informed decision and should leave it to their elders. Once you're a bit older and get out into the working world amongst people of all ages, you realise that stupidity goes all the way from zero to 90, and that age definitely does not equal intelligence.

 

[kharma45]

Yeah they have the power. So does NI I think.

NI won't do it, and Scotland has no actual power to veto. They could appeal through the courts but they themselves cannot block it. It's a matter for Westminster to decide on.