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Thor: Love and Thunder ⚡ impressions thread (OPEN SPOILERS)
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Imagine being so worked up over something so innocuous. It's part of the lore. What kind of gender is a rock monster supposed to have?
Cyberpunkd
Member
Bruh, snowflake much? I’m sorry, but radio is like EZ mode for cancer treatment. I had chemo, that was some trip.
Jaybe
Member
Are you fucking serious bud?
chromhound
Member
Those screaming goats 
skneogaf
Member
I'm not actually worked up, I just don't feel it's necessary to tell us what sexuality everyone is or gender if it's a rock monster. Nobody cares what gender or sexuality he is etc
Just have him do his funny voice and and other cool stuff and leave the recent agenda pushing nonsense alone.
ManaByte
Member
Lost it when the boat crashed into the moon and you hear the scream.Those screaming goats
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yeah I thought they would be overused but they were surprisingly underused. Which I'm happy about
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Why is it necessary to tell us what sexuality Thor is by his romance with Jane? Why is it necessary to tell us what sexuality Odin is by his marriage to Frigga and creation of Thor? Why is it necessary to tell us what sexuality Star Lord is by his sadness over Gamora? Why is it necessary to tell us what sexuality Gorr is by the presence of his biological daughter? Why is it necessary to tell us Zeus is fat and apathetic? Why is it necessary to tell us that Astrid wants to change his name to Axl? Why is it necessary to tell us any detail about any character? It's harmless backstory details and it's part of the worldbuilding.
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Little Mac
Member
I really enjoyed myself. More comedy than action but it had alot heart. I was really impressed by Bale's performance. He was a great villain. There was a joke in the movie where I alone busted out laughing at ... When Thor finds Sif fallen on the battlefield having lost an arm and she tells Thor to let her die on the battlefield so she can be accepted into Valhalla and Thor said "You can't die now. The battle is over. You wouldn't be accepted. Maybe your arm is in Valhalla."
Anyway, solid 8.5 ... one of the more enjoyable mcu movies I've seen in a while.
Anyway, solid 8.5 ... one of the more enjoyable mcu movies I've seen in a while.
Toons
Member
Valk is bi in the comics and korg is gay in the comics.
Korgs species just works differently, it's not even apparent if females exist at all in his species. It was also a gag about korg giving tmi about how his species reproduces.
Valkyries gf wss mentioned because that's the cause of her trauma, that she was killed by hela and is aimless now. Females have been called kings in ancient civilizations several times. King is just a position.
I think you're stretching a bit to call this out. It all serves a purpose in the movie.
Its characteristics that add to a person feeling more grounded and real. Plenty characters in movies mention they have families or whatever else that you never see because it humanizes them. They seem more like characters who existed and not ones specifically created to be in this movie when you do it that way. It's not always necessary but it csn add to a character.
YukiOnna
Member
Just got back from it. It was awesome! just as enjoyable as Ragnarok and way more character focused than Dr Strange, which I prefer.
Surprisingly, I took away a lot more emotional/serious scenes in it than comedy. Jane's portions were really well done and Gorr had a lot of presence despite few scenes and I felt good about Thor accepting his child and seeing a similar figure in Gorr. It left Thor in a good place in terms of his character and I'm looking forward to my man's 5th.
My only wish was the battles were flipped and the Shadow Realm battle was the final one to have a solo Thor vs Gorr in monochrome and it was a longer movie.
Surprisingly, I took away a lot more emotional/serious scenes in it than comedy. Jane's portions were really well done and Gorr had a lot of presence despite few scenes and I felt good about Thor accepting his child and seeing a similar figure in Gorr. It left Thor in a good place in terms of his character and I'm looking forward to my man's 5th.
My only wish was the battles were flipped and the Shadow Realm battle was the final one to have a solo Thor vs Gorr in monochrome and it was a longer movie.
Hezekiah
Banned
From the sounds of it the film is geared toward 12 year-olds. Seen some of the one-liners, not to mention the pastel-coloured sets and I'm getting the feeling that it's Ragnarok turned up to 11.
Overall slightly worse reviews than Doctor Strange. Interesting that in both cases the directors appear to have been a fair amount of free license (for an MCU film anyway).
chromhound
Member
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I just posted that
It was a fun watch but was a TERRIBLY sloppy movie. None of it makes much sense. Characters have random powers, then they don't, they can travel then they can't, Gods are mortal beings enhanced with technology then they are actual magical creatures then they care about their worshippers then they dont. I feel like they danced around the fact that the reason the Greek gods aren't worshipped on earth anymore isn't cause if superheros, it's cause of the judeochristian God and Jesus. Were they not invited to the orgy?
Anyway, even sidestepping some of the other odd choices, just the core plot makes little sense. Gorr is killing Gods, but how does he know of Eternia, how does he know of the key, how does he know what the key is and how to use it, and didn't the key not exist until like 2 years easier? You'd think Zeus would be more concerned when the guy who controls the key shows up asking for help.
Anyway, keep expectations low, don't expect a smart film at all, and just laugh at the jokes and marvel at the visuals.
Anyway, even sidestepping some of the other odd choices, just the core plot makes little sense. Gorr is killing Gods, but how does he know of Eternia, how does he know of the key, how does he know what the key is and how to use it, and didn't the key not exist until like 2 years easier? You'd think Zeus would be more concerned when the guy who controls the key shows up asking for help.
Anyway, keep expectations low, don't expect a smart film at all, and just laugh at the jokes and marvel at the visuals.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
If I ever get around to seeing this movie, it would be because of Christian Bale. Yeah, I'm a fan, because the guy is pretty awesome in everything I've seen him in. He hasn't disappointed me yet.
Doom85
Member
Except Wanda lost her brother as well (and her parents when she was way younger than Thor). She also had to experience killing her loved one only to have the knife twisted further when Thanos reversed time and killed him right in front of her anyway.
Regardless, loss and grief isn’t a measuring contest.
Liamario
Banned
My father died from cancer back at the beginning of 2020. I was not expecting this to upset me, but it did. I don't think it was leaned on too heavily, but it brought up emotions and memories that I had forgotten.
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Liamario
Banned
It was very uneven. I can't see what the MCU is going in general tbh.
Urban
Member
yeah ill give you that. The movie was like: Hey here is a heart breaking scene. Wait you didnt have a laugh for about 45 sec? Here let me cut straight to a funny scene.
And I'm gonna say, Valkyrie being the "King of Asgard" instead of Queen is 100% because they are saving a scene for when they can have her marry some girl and introduce them as "King and Queen of Asgard!!!!" and then pause for 3 minutes for expected audience whooping.
She ought to be called Queen. Asgard has had queens. Norse culture has queens. Queens that wielded power no less.
Not to mention using the title king imies a hereditary monarchy, thus the stability of command relies on her having kids. So a childless ruler with no interest in men to have any with is just a civil war waiting to happen. No other Asgard Ian has ANY interest in running the show and using that floating boat tech to become a billionaire to better rebuild their fallen city?
She ought to be called Queen. Asgard has had queens. Norse culture has queens. Queens that wielded power no less.
Not to mention using the title king imies a hereditary monarchy, thus the stability of command relies on her having kids. So a childless ruler with no interest in men to have any with is just a civil war waiting to happen. No other Asgard Ian has ANY interest in running the show and using that floating boat tech to become a billionaire to better rebuild their fallen city?
sol_bad
Member
Keep expectations in check.
It was 4 years between Iron Man 1 and Avengers 1, 4 years until we got our first hint of an overarching story. Then the remaining teases for the Infinity Saga were done over a 6 year time frame.
It hasn't even been a year since Black Widow came out.
*EDIT*
Correcting myself, it's literally just been over a year since Black Widow came out.
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Doom85
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kuncol02
Banned
No it don't. Poland had elected kings. We also had female king (not queen ruling over country but woman coronated as King of Poland).
DKehoe
Gold Member
I really wanted to like this a lot. Ragnarok is my favourite MCU film. And while there are elements that I did like there were way too many jokes and the film would have benefitted from those being edited down. It's like they saw the success they got from the tonal shift with Ragnarok and decided to double down on that. It seemed like they had decided there had to be a joke every minute. And that then undercut the more serious stuff .
So, out of how many rulers, did you have a female 'king'? 1? And that was a legal loophole that doesn't really exist in norse tradition. Queen Magarethe II is currently quite content ruling Denmark as Queen. Her namesake Queen Margarethe I ruled as Queen over a few scandinavian countries in the 1300's. You could say Christina of Sweden used the King title but that was also to cover a large political group, not really the case with New Asgard.
How many elected kings did you have? There was still a hereditary component I believe, with a narrow pool of candidates for rule based on bloodties. 'Sides, who cares what Poland did, they weren't a Norse country. If Matka Syra Ziemia, Czarnobóg, and other gods from that region were represented in Asgard then maybe New Asgards system of rule might follow a Polish tradition, but clearly it does not. Odin, in the films, is clearly intending for Thor to rule after him with no concern for elections. So for Asgaardians to suddenly call their female ruler "King", not look for a relative of Odin instead to at least weigh in on rulership, or any of that is just straight horseshit without ANY historical precedent in the cultures covered by Asgard.
Anyway, it is a small quibble, though I will put down hard money that my theory for why she is called King is correct. It's not some scholarly treatise on scandinavian rulers across time, it is for the golf claps when she steps out with a lady in some future film.
Liamario
Banned
It was like they give enough time to any of the plot points. Not enough of anything.
Hawking Radiation
Member
It was alright.
Not one of my favourite Marvel movies. When are they going to get serious with the storylines? Where's the big bad guy of this phase?
Not one of my favourite Marvel movies. When are they going to get serious with the storylines? Where's the big bad guy of this phase?
Doom85
Member
So, didn’t feel like going into all of it last night, but here’s my thoughts:
So with Ragnarok, I thought the humor worked but I hated the “foundations will remain” line from Korg as Asgard fell. This wasn’t a case of humor immediately following a serious moment, but rather humor interrupting a serious moment, and I didn’t care for that.
With this film, I don’t mind a humorous scene following a serious scene so long as it doesn’t interrupt said serious scene and this film thankfully avoided that. The problem was most of the humor didn’t land for me. The scenes at Zues’ place did have some funny moments that worked for me, I actually did like the whole “Mjolnir vs. Stormbreaker” bit, and the scenes with the Guardians as well (makes sense they would quickly grow tired of him as only Rocket spend that much time with him prior to Thor joining them at the end of Endgame so most were unaware of Thor’s somewhat eccentric personality. Loved Nebula just screaming “we’re leaving!” at him).
But Korg, oh man. I love Taika in everything else I’ve seen him in as well as Ragnarok, but almost none of his jokes landed here. Definitely felt they needed a rewrite on some of his lines. I was glad they mostly shoo’ed him out for the final 20 minutes. Also, the screaming goats thing, blech. Just found them legit annoying. Only funny moment was one of the Guardians suggesting they kill them and the goats immediately go silent. Problem is they don’t kill them…
However, everything else was strong. Bale is fantastic in the role and his character was really well handled, and much how like they handled Wanda in Dr. Strange 2 I’m digging the horror vibe a few of his scenes had. I always liked Jane but definitely this was her at her peak character arc-wise. Thor manages to grow not just in his scenes with her but also I liked the scenes with him and the kids as it built towards how his arc for the movie would finish. Valkyrie had a little less to do character arc-wise compared to Ragnarok but Tessa Thompson is great in the role and she had plenty of fun moments.
The opening scenes with Gorr and then Jane were top notch, and they nailed the last 15-20 minutes (basically starting with Thor meeting Jane at the hospital and then all the way to the ending). It’s just everything else between that bounced from good/great to kinda ”eh”. So I can’t say if I like this even better than Ragnarok. L&T’s strongest moments definitely outshine Ragnarok’s strongest moments, but I felt Ragnarok was generally more consistent in quality. So it’s hard to say.
So with Ragnarok, I thought the humor worked but I hated the “foundations will remain” line from Korg as Asgard fell. This wasn’t a case of humor immediately following a serious moment, but rather humor interrupting a serious moment, and I didn’t care for that.
With this film, I don’t mind a humorous scene following a serious scene so long as it doesn’t interrupt said serious scene and this film thankfully avoided that. The problem was most of the humor didn’t land for me. The scenes at Zues’ place did have some funny moments that worked for me, I actually did like the whole “Mjolnir vs. Stormbreaker” bit, and the scenes with the Guardians as well (makes sense they would quickly grow tired of him as only Rocket spend that much time with him prior to Thor joining them at the end of Endgame so most were unaware of Thor’s somewhat eccentric personality. Loved Nebula just screaming “we’re leaving!” at him).
But Korg, oh man. I love Taika in everything else I’ve seen him in as well as Ragnarok, but almost none of his jokes landed here. Definitely felt they needed a rewrite on some of his lines. I was glad they mostly shoo’ed him out for the final 20 minutes. Also, the screaming goats thing, blech. Just found them legit annoying. Only funny moment was one of the Guardians suggesting they kill them and the goats immediately go silent. Problem is they don’t kill them…
However, everything else was strong. Bale is fantastic in the role and his character was really well handled, and much how like they handled Wanda in Dr. Strange 2 I’m digging the horror vibe a few of his scenes had. I always liked Jane but definitely this was her at her peak character arc-wise. Thor manages to grow not just in his scenes with her but also I liked the scenes with him and the kids as it built towards how his arc for the movie would finish. Valkyrie had a little less to do character arc-wise compared to Ragnarok but Tessa Thompson is great in the role and she had plenty of fun moments.
The opening scenes with Gorr and then Jane were top notch, and they nailed the last 15-20 minutes (basically starting with Thor meeting Jane at the hospital and then all the way to the ending). It’s just everything else between that bounced from good/great to kinda ”eh”. So I can’t say if I like this even better than Ragnarok. L&T’s strongest moments definitely outshine Ragnarok’s strongest moments, but I felt Ragnarok was generally more consistent in quality. So it’s hard to say.
sol_bad
Member
Keep expectations in check.
It was 4 years between Iron Man 1 and Avengers 1, 4 years until we got our first hint of an overarching story. Then the remaining teases for the Infinity Saga were done over a 6 year time frame.
It hasn't even been a year since Black Widow came out.
*EDIT*
Correcting myself, it's literally just been over a year since Black Widow came out.
Doom85
Member
(Kang from Loki)
Mind you, we’ve only met one of his “nicer” versions. I imagine the version we meet in Ant-man 3 will be a little less friendly, and it’ll only get worse from there…
Personally, I don’t mind they’re not having as many movies set up for another “bigger bad” compared to Thanos’ phases. When I read comic book trades I just want a fun adventure with the leads of the book, not looking for it to always tie in to some big crossover event. And that’s what Phase 4 has been doing for me.
Besides, it makes sense. The Black Widow movie wouldn’t logically tie to Kang in any way. Shang-Chi, Eternals, Moon Knight, and (I assume, waiting for all episodes to be out before watching) Ms. Marvel wisely focused on introducing new characters rather than throwing in other elements. WandaVision was focused on Wanda’s gradual downfall, Falcon was focused on Sam taking the mantle, and Hawkeye was focused on Clint dealing with some choices from his past and introducing Kate. Only Loki, No Way Home, and Dr. Strange 2 dealt with the multiverse but it would be way excessive to have most or all of the Phase 4 movies and series use that and/or Kang.
ManaByte
Member
(Kang from Loki)
Mind you, we’ve only met one of his “nicer” versions. I imagine the version we meet in Ant-man 3 will be a little less friendly, and it’ll only get worse from there…
Personally, I don’t mind they’re not having as many movies set up for another “bigger bad” compared to Thanos’ phases. When I read comic book trades I just want a fun adventure with the leads of the book, not looking for it to always tie in to some big crossover event. And that’s what Phase 4 has been doing for me.
Besides, it makes sense. The Black Widow movie wouldn’t logically tie to Kang in any way. Shang-Chi, Eternals, Moon Knight, and (I assume, waiting for all episodes to be out before watching) Ms. Marvel wisely focused on introducing new characters rather than throwing in other elements. WandaVision was focused on Wanda’s gradual downfall, Falcon was focused on Sam taking the mantle, and Hawkeye was focused on Clint dealing with some choices from his past and introducing Kate. Only Loki, No Way Home, and Dr. Strange 2 dealt with the multiverse but it would be way excessive to have most or all of the Phase 4 movies and series use that and/or Kang.
Kang is more of a Young Avengers villain.
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Doom85
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Kang is more of a Young Avengers villain.
I love Dr. Doom (in case the username didn’t make it obvious. Apparently not as when I made it I never even consider the Doom video games which I’ve never played) but I never bought him as an Avengers villain personally. The F4 can beat him so I don’t buy heavy hitters like Thor, Hulk, Strange, and Carol should have THAT much trouble dealing with him (and especially if the F4 are right there with them helping). Even with an army of Doombots and such at his side. Sure, they could do some “he absorbs another villain’s power” shenanigans but I dunno, I feel it is unlikely IMHO. He could utilize time travel to his advantage but I doubt the next Avengers film will utilize time travel given the previous one was mostly that.
Hell, in terms of the IPs that the MCU can now use, Apocalypse from X-men would fit a far bigger threat than Dr. Doom. But again, I feel they’d keep him to fighting the X-men only.
To be absolutely clear, not hating on Doom at all, and by god I wish Mads Mikkelsen could play him as he felt wasted as what’shisname from Dr. Strange 1. I didn’t think of it myself, when I was watching the Hannibal show with my friend, he suggested the casting and it blew my mind. But regardless, just because I love the character doesn’t mean I always think they’re best suited as a threat of any scale. I love Lex Luther but obviously Darkseid and his forces will always be a more suitable opponent for the Justice League.
On the other hand, Kang is essentially unkillable and could possess a way more massive army with ridiculous weaponry and ships from whatever verse the next one comes from, and then the next one, and the next one, and so on. None of them might be that powerful by themselves but they can essentially be a never ending force to just wear down the Avengers. And obviously this would utilize the multiverse and it feels Strange should have a major role in fighting Kang since he has had plenty of multiverse experiences already and also Scott and Hope since they will have presumably fought one version of Kang already. If Kang’s final defeat didn’t involve them at all that would just feel weird to me.
Plus, after Ant-man 3 Kang will have had two major appearances versus Doom not appearing at all yet. It just feels the former is being set up more, and of course the use of the multiverse.
Besides, I feel a young Avengers film is still far off. We only have Spidey, Kate Bishop, and Ms. Marvel so far who feel they would fit that team. Oh, and presumably Ironheart will air next year but that’s only four members. But an Avengers film, we still have Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, Sam/Cap, Bucky, Spidey (no reason he can’t be on both), Dr. Strange, Ant-man, Wasp, Carol, Rhodey, Wong and potentially Shuri, Ms. Marvel (see Spidey) and Shang-Chi (maybe Moon Knight though I feel he works better alone and I’ve heard the comics follow the same idea).
ManaByte
Member
You sure about that.
Doom85
Member
Ant-man 3 will release early next year. Meanwhile F4 doesn’t have a release date plus has to find a new director since Watts stepped down. So the only way I’m wrong is if Doom appears in Black Panther 2 or She-Hulk as they’re the only ones slated to release prior to Ant-man 3, and saying he’ll appear in either of those would be pure speculation.
ManaByte
Member
You’re assuming Doom’s first appearance is in F4.
Ant-man 3 will release early next year. Meanwhile F4 doesn’t have a release date plus has to find a new director since Watts stepped down. So the only way I’m wrong is if Doom appears in Black Panther 2 or She-Hulk as they’re the only ones slated to release prior to Ant-man 3, and saying he’ll appear in either of those would be pure speculation.
Doom85
Member
No evidence suggests he’ll be in the only two entries that will come out prior to Ant-man 3. So yes, that will be two Kang appearances (Loki and then Ant-man 3) before Doom shows up at some point.
ManaByte
Member
Again don’t be so sure about that.
Doom85
Member
Unless you’ve heard some legit casting announcement and not what a click-bait loving article writer or Youtuber is speculating then yeah, I feel fairly confident. I mean, Tom Cruise and all those other speculations ended up not happening for Dr. Strange 2.
Not to mention if Namor does appear that alone will suffice for FF setup. They’re not going to make a significant portion of BP2 all setup for FF, that would be tacky especially with Boseman’s passing.
ManaByte
Member
Lake Bell is in Wakanda Forever. She’s playing Lucia von Bardas.
Doom85
Member
All I could find regarding who she is playing is Reddit speculation. Beyond that, she’s merely been spotted on set.
And I’m talking a major appearance of Doom himself, not another character connected to him. By that logic, Reed himself would count.
ManaByte
Member
DS2 is an alternate universe. MCU Reed is going to be a different actor. Raimi confirmed on the commentary that Feige only cast him for the fans and BECAUSE it was an alternate universe.
Doom85
Member
Possibly, but I could see them reconsidering since fans want him in the role. If Krasinski is up for it I don’t see why they would necessarily turn him down. And age shouldn’t be an issue, I mean RDJ was already in his 40’s when he started playing Tony.
ManaByte
Member
They’re casting the movie right now. They’re looking for people in their 20s and 30s. People who pin their hopes on Krasinski are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
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