Ulysses 31
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So it should've been built up better, have him do things that make less and less sense signifying the corruption taking hold of him instead of the leap we get in the movie.It's not logical. That's the point. The villain is doing something which explicitly exposes him as a hypocrite, which is what he directly claims to not be. I feel like I'm going round in circles here.
It's not a given that people struck with grief turn into villains. If that's the sword's specialty then that deserves some explanation with a little lore on the sword's origin. Now it's just a simple plot device to quickly get a powerful villain to jump start the story.(aka rushed)
Doesn't really change much for my statement that he was guided to it and the convenience of the situation(the god not showing any concern about the sword's future and being a jerk).He doesn't just happen to be within walking distance of the god and the sword. The oasis wasn't there and then it was. Clearly the sword provided him a path to that realm after its previous holder fell. It identified him as a suitable replacement because of what had happened to him and brought him to it. This is the issue with you not having seen the film and relying on moronic YouTubers to relate the story to you. They have no ability to infer anything that isn't spelled out in giant letters for them. It's genuinely sad to see people adopting their overly simplistic approach.
Issue is how fast the corruption happens. Maybe the sword is just that good at corrupting, it's not really interesting character development for a villain.Because that's the point where he goes off the deep end. There was something within him that was corruptible and the sword seizes upon that and amplifies it. It takes his pain and literally weaponises it, taking him on a path of destruction far beyond his initial intent. I realise you haven't seen the film so you have a limited perspective but I do not get what's hard to understand about this.
The way you described it makes it seem the sword has its own agenda which could've made the story more interesting. A little lore on the sword could've been a benefit for the movie.
Sure but story telling has evolved over the times and now we often can't just say it's magic and expect it to be a satisfying explanation in modern stories/movies. I don't need 100% background info on the sword, just a little something more to elevate this sword to more than a simple plot device.It being very old storytelling is precisely my point. The legend of Arthur is one of the most enduring stories in human existence. It must be doing something right to have resonated with people for over a thousand years. Dismissing it as a product of more superstitious times is incredibly short-sighted. People are people and effective storytelling is effective storytelling. If Excalibur is an idea that has lasted that long without needing some in depth backstory then surely it's a demonstration of how an elaborate backstory isn't required for everything. But in this "content era" we'd probably have a spinoff series about the guy who forged Excalibur and one about the underwater adventures of the Lady of the Lake. This endless desire to have every vein of plot strip-mined for everything it can offer takes away so much soul and mystique from stories.
Well, are there scenes where Gorr seems to have 2nd thoughts/doubts about his methods while he has the sword? He's barely in the movie from what I've gathered and we don't see him slaying gods apart from the 1st one. A missed opportunity IMO.Muddies the water in a film you haven't seen. At the very least, consider that your initial limited impression may be an incomplete one.
It's possible the YTers I listened to didn't pick this up/left it out, however I don't see how it would've changed the critiques of the movie: the sword is very mysterious which allows the writers to get a away easier with a lot of fast and lose story telling. For all we know the creators didn't even think as much about the sword as you just did. We don't know the origins of the sword so you're the one making good faith interpretations on behalf of the writers.I realise that the youtuber approach doesn't really tend to go into the more allegorical side of things since they're not big on insight, so I doubt this is an aspect they touched on, but let's try this: the sword represents the grief and pain inside of him which he allows to consume him. Then, when it's time for the wish and he's faced with the choice of opening himself back up to loving someone again vs lashing out in pain to hurt others (which is something that's established as a theme earlier on in the film) he realises the error of his ways.
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