Kamina
Golden Boy
And I thought this myth was dead already.
The website keeps telling me that It can't work on mobile devices since they display 30fps max?
My I pad can most definitely display 60 FPS, as It worked before on other sources.
TLOU Remastered: 30 fps option gives better shadow quality [Up: Comparison GIF in OP]
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My I pad can most definitely display 60 FPS, as It worked before on other sources.
BrainZEROX
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Taking a sit on a chair with a cup of red wine waiting for the game to release. Smiling.craveonline said:
captainraincoat
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The game was fun to play and looked good on the ps3......I personally could not give a shit about framerate as I honestly don't notice the difference. ....it's only if you are looking for it that you will notice it and even still it has no bearing on how the game plays as its not a twitch shooter or a racing game
People get so hung up on this subject and are really missing an opportunity to play one of the best games on the ps3 again and finally crack the egg on the multiplayer which I missed out on the first time around
Sure, if you stand still or move slow.
During faster gameplay parts though, you simply can't see all that extra detail with 30fps.
This why I don't understand the 30fps + better visuals argument, half the time you won't get to appreciate those extra visuals because you don't have enough frames to make out the details. And as many devs lather on the motion blur to help smooth it out, it makes it even worse some times.
At 60, you see every little particle effect quizzing by with clarity. Think Metal Gear Rising, when Raiden clashes with an enemy and sparks fly. At 60 you see all the detail, at lower frames you don't get that clarity.
People don't see to give enough credit to how much 60fps improves visuals as well as gameplay, imo.
thesuperfunk
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I think it's great they have given us the options ... especially after passing up the PS3 version.
Hip Hop
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You can say that you don't care about framerate, but to say you don't notice it is untrue. Even without looking for it, anyone can tell.
On most parts it looks fantastic and is for me worth the price. It's like buying my favorites movies again on bluray.
But I like that they are using the rest of the power in 30 fps for further optimisation.
The shadows are still not perfect and low res...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZesQXSyxo#t=1448
Also the aliasing is in some parts still quite rough and stands out in movement.
If they would also work on a better AA solution for the 30 fps mode, I would definitely go for this over 60 fps!
But I like that they are using the rest of the power in 30 fps for further optimisation.
The shadows are still not perfect and low res...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZesQXSyxo#t=1448
Also the aliasing is in some parts still quite rough and stands out in movement.
If they would also work on a better AA solution for the 30 fps mode, I would definitely go for this over 60 fps!
Why does everything need to be a conspiracy? If ND wanted you to go back to 30fps, they wouldn't have made it 69 in the first place, and then tweets constantly about how amazing 60fps is. All they've done is use some of he spare capacity at 30fps to improve the shadows.
I don't know why this appears to be some kind of insult to pro-60fps gamers. Some of you aren't coming across well at all. If you like 60fps, great. But you shouldn't feel the need to convert everyone else to your cause. It sounds like you wanted both modes to be identical so you can more easily preach the benefits of 60fps, but now there is a small improvement at 30, all those heathens won't hear your sage words and will fall back into the purgatory of cinematic motion.
You like 60fps. They have a 60fps mode. Enjoy. Leave those that are interested in 30fps or better graphics to their own devices.
As for whether this means the 60fps mode is suddenly flakey as hell - well comments don't seem to back that up. They have been using 'targeting' because they don't want to say locked and get picked apart for a few drops here and there. Yes, some games like tomb raider may have people worried, but early impressions are promising.
This doesn't seem like a negative thing at all.
To be honest, it's the kind of thing I would do with a PC game. If I end up locking a PC game to 30 fps I crank up extra details that would otherwise prevent the game from maintaining 60 fps.
Crysis 3 at its highest settings can't maintain 60 fps on my system but locking to 30 fps allows me to use the highest detail settings at 1440p with increased AA quality. I've often gone back and forth between them depending on my mood.
To be honest, it's the kind of thing I would do with a PC game. If I end up locking a PC game to 30 fps I crank up extra details that would otherwise prevent the game from maintaining 60 fps.
Crysis 3 at its highest settings can't maintain 60 fps on my system but locking to 30 fps allows me to use the highest detail settings at 1440p with increased AA quality. I've often gone back and forth between them depending on my mood.
Personally I agree. For something like uncharted 4, I'd like them to develop and push things for 30fps, but then if possible offer a 60fps mode by dialling down/removing some details and effects. To me that would be better serving the market. By targeting 60fps you start out from a lower baseline for graphics and then any effects you add back for 30 are just tweaks really.
Also for Multiplatform, PC gamers should prefer console games to target 30fps, as it means a higher graphical baseline which they can then exercise their GPU muscle on to improve framerate and resolution. If you have a bunch of 1080p/60 games ported from console to PC, you are going to be wasting a lot of the potential of new GPUs
Bill Rizer
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Well, finally. I hope at this point more developers spend some time on this type of visual/performance optimisation option.
We don't need intricated multiple options like on pc, a simple 30/60fps toggle like ND put here, with the best possible picture quality at both the framerates is truly a great achievement.
TLOU Remaster deserves to be bought just for support this.
We don't need intricated multiple options like on pc, a simple 30/60fps toggle like ND put here, with the best possible picture quality at both the framerates is truly a great achievement.
TLOU Remaster deserves to be bought just for support this.
Blue Ranger
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Will wait for a ps5 version of the game with 60 fps and decent shadows.
Yeah.... Sounds like there's a tiny bit of hyperbole going on.
computers putin'
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this doesn't bother me, I'm more concerned about how stable the framerate is on the 60 fps option.
If project Morpheus takes off, Sony will want more games to be 60fps to support that. So we might have more games with dual FPS options - a 30fps game would need to reduce detail to support 60fps on Morpheus so why not let TV players access that mode too if they want 60fps?
PC games aren't art because graphical options. Okay.
I love the escalating crazy in threads like this.
What exactly is happening in the first pages here?
OMG! THIS GONNA BE GUD? HERE IT COMES! SAW IT COMING?
What?
If you lock it to 30fps, they use the "saved" extra power to "up" some effects.
Which is nice.
What exactly is your issue here?
OMG! THIS GONNA BE GUD? HERE IT COMES! SAW IT COMING?
What?
If you lock it to 30fps, they use the "saved" extra power to "up" some effects.
Which is nice.
They gave you an 30fps option, so that you can play it with the same framerate as the PS3 version. And with the extra juice left, they have improved some effects.
What exactly is your issue here?
Exactly
Tiny bit? ;D
LapinAgile
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I like having a choice. It'd be nice to see more games do this down the line.
Some people are asking how come the PS4 can't do "better shadows at 60". Can't be sure if they are trolling or not.
How can it be a surprise that you can add more detail at 30fps compared to 60fps? If you don't lock it down, the PS4 could draw an entire new frame in that extra 16 ms that it would wait when 30fps locked.
Now, ND being the good guys they are, at least gave the console to do something inside of that extra 16ms. But an entire new frame (60fps) instead of a more detailed frame is nothing to scoff at.
Oh, and 60fps IS better graphics. It's a temporal increase in fidelity.
How can it be a surprise that you can add more detail at 30fps compared to 60fps? If you don't lock it down, the PS4 could draw an entire new frame in that extra 16 ms that it would wait when 30fps locked.
Now, ND being the good guys they are, at least gave the console to do something inside of that extra 16ms. But an entire new frame (60fps) instead of a more detailed frame is nothing to scoff at.
Oh, and 60fps IS better graphics. It's a temporal increase in fidelity.
mysteriousmage09
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SneakyStephan
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On most parts it looks fantastic and is for me worth the price. It's like buying my favorites movies again on bluray.
But I like that they are using the rest of the power in 30 fps for further optimisation.
I take back what I said about this beign a good thing
those are some xbox 360 levels of awful shadows
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
This is false.
This is video it's a fake however. There is the select button in the screen when Joel find some object.On most parts it looks fantastic and is for me worth the price. It's like buying my favorites movies again on bluray.
But I like that they are using the rest of the power in 30 fps for further optimisation.
The shadows are still not perfect and low res...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZesQXSyxo#t=1448
Also the aliasing is in some parts still quite rough and stands out in movement.
If they would also work on a better AA solution for the 30 fps mode, I would definitely go for this over 60 fps!
Delt31
Member
Really? Tell me you're not serious. Just b/c it's a last gen game DOES mean it should be 60fps with the best graphics. The fact it doesn't means rush job. If ND is trying to get 1080p 60fps with THE NEW UNCHARTEFD how in the hell can they not get PS3 game not to run. Sorry but your response allows ND to get away with this nonsense.
boredandlazy
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Why don't you just stick your TLOU PS3 disc into your PC and play it in 4K?
I can't tell if this this post is real or not
The game pushes more than 2.25 times the pixels at 2x the framerate (effectively, more than quadruple) plus, with improved textures and shadows. This was a game that was built on an entirely different architecture.
As for the new uncharted, I too have my doubts but they are going to use PS4 native tricks that time (GPGPU, unified mem)
It's really ironic.
There has been the loud resolution doesn't matter, 30fps is fine, and graphics don't matter crowd the past year.
But when they learn 60fps naturally has to sacrifice things like shadows on certain hardware, they're pissed about... not having improved graphics through 30fps optimization?
Really?
It's been 14 years since a console game has first done this (at least that I am aware of - there could have been others before) - and it was done in your worst-case scenario fashion (the choice was literally between 20-25fps vs 30fps for increase in some graphical-details). It remained isolated to small instances like that for all this time, so not something I'd get worked up about based on historical precedent.Scoot McNairy said:
That said, I don't think it's a good direction either - as the defining element of console games is NOT to shift responsibility for game-performance/quality onto consumer(as opposed to other "platforms"), and it's always an open question if this could suddenly catch-on.
I don't know. People tell me I was wrong because it's the touchpad what I see. But there are things not impress by much in this video. Or I'm expected too much from a remastered.
There's very nice 1080p/60fps video of the game on Gamersyde, if you just want to see the game, watch that, YT is trash.
But it has the PS4 save game screen. Clearly better looking even if it's Yotube.
fluffydelusions
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Summer Haze
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You should't be making judgements from crappy YT videos. There is 1080p 60fps footage on Gamersyde.
Lmao, this is like the framerate equivalent of saying "you can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p unless your TV is above 50 inches and you're sitting 3 feet away from it".
Doctor_Thomas
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The game was built on a completely different architecture and it's not just a case of going in to your code and changing the PS3 buttons to PS4, setting it to run in 1080p at 60fps. The game was never designed to run on PS4, it was designed to run on PS3.
I can't find any video about this in GAmersyde.
fluffydelusions
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Here is the link btw. Anyone who can't see the difference well I don't know what to say
http://www.gamersyde.com/thqstream_...s_comparison_60_fps_-4VxT4So7XKGDp9g2_en.html
gundamkyoukai
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Because UC4 is going to be made from the ground up for PS4 while TLOU is still a port from a different architecture .
This is a remaster not a remake , ND is not going to go back and use a whole bunch of tech that was not in the engine at the time or new assets .
The game was made with PS3 in mind , a port to a more powerful system can help certain things but not going to change all the underline tech in the game.
CyberPunked
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Get over it.