The engine is the same, but code works very differently, specially because Cell was a very unique CPU.TLOU characters cast indirect shadows instead having screen space AO implementation (which are always just approximations). Also the contact shadow should be minimal/not visible in cases like that picture where there's a lot of light, most AO implementations ignore this and will give you thick contact shadows even when there's bright light.
No, because
1) GOW HD was not done by Santa Monica
2) The engine ND will use this gen is the same engine that was used in TLOU/Uncharted 1,2,3. Unlike GOW3's engine which was largely rewritten considering the massive changes in rendering techniques that came about with the 7th gen.
TLOU Remastered: 30 fps option gives better shadow quality [Up: Comparison GIF in OP]
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Summer Haze
Banned
You must have missed it when ND devs mentioned how hard it was to port this over to PS4, and the tweets where they mention that they are working long hours and weekends, choosing to miss time with their families in order to work on this game.
You may be disappointed with the end result...but "half-assed" it is not, and is pretty insulting. No one is forcing you to buy it day one, pay however much you think it's worth.
People crying about shadows..this thread is amusing.
Also when you go 60fps you never go back.
because its a simple upres port
i dont see much difference either but the ps4 version looks better
VisceralBowl
Member
You clearly haven't played this with the no shadow 120 fps option.
If it's so important (in all other games i never cared about it) don't buy the game all right? I am always go above gameplay and not choosing a side for some damn shadows lol.
As you can see yes.
Watching this thread with a bucket of popcorn.
MDSLKTR
Member
If this isn't sarcasm then this the most disgraceful gaming related post I've read holy shit
93xfan
Banned
Because of lighting effects that affect many scenes. But keep playing dumb and pretending the example used is the only specific instance where this happens.
How many free passes should we give them on this game? What's the next graphical hitch we are going to find?
Keep in mind ND themselves didn't want to show any gameplay ahead of release. Now we are finding out why.
I love the game and the developer's previous efforts as much as the next guy, but this "remaster" is something else...
He's dead serious and for some reason he's ignored every single positive screen and impression from people who have the game and is only commenting on the rare bad ones.
yep he's the guy that was asking for Z-fighting to be fixed in a day 1 patch the first time we ever saw video footage
Exactly! Every time I check up on this thread, the issues getting pointed out are
pretty blatant. The images posted clearly show something is messed up with texture
resolution when there isn't light cast on them. Add this to the shadows missing when
they were present in the PS3 version, who knows what else they managed to screw up
throughout the whole game.
Disappointment is an understatement.
Did ND say they will continue to patch this game after release day?
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
I don't care how hard anyone worked. All I care about is the product and the end result. I am a consumer. This port is half assed.
I'm pretty sure they said they'll continue patching until all the shadows are gone
VisceralBowl
Member
96% sarcasm + 2% serious complaints + 2% people that can't tell the difference = 100% thread gold
I hope they do it soon. I hate shadows in games.
It's very ambitious actually, they plan to slowly patch in the film, scene by scene, and remove the gamey stuff as production finally concludes! Very exciting.
93xfan
Banned
This cracked me up!
And since then other issues have cropped up. I don't think asking for a patches to fix this
shit is out of line or unusual.
-Z-fighting
-Aliasing
-Missing shadows
-Messed up textures
-AO issues
Patches would be more than welcomed.
Wishmaster92 I ll test this in 30 fps mode to see if its a glitch or not but its really distracting
hoping it's a glitch, looks awful
maybe the D1 patch has some fix for this?
Whoa. That variable resolution thing is really weird.
At first I thought it had to be some weird post effect that used a really tiny framebuffer, but it actually looks more like it's the primary render target that's been scaled down.
Optimization to save gpu cycles by rendering what's inside the flashlight cone in full res, and rendering everything else at a much lower one?
At first I thought it had to be some weird post effect that used a really tiny framebuffer, but it actually looks more like it's the primary render target that's been scaled down.
Optimization to save gpu cycles by rendering what's inside the flashlight cone in full res, and rendering everything else at a much lower one?
OneEyeTwoHead
Banned
So many disgusting responses in this thread.
They did embargo reviews and such for tomorrow because of patch contents. Several of these issues could be fixed by release.
They haven't explicitly said, but they have to patch at some point for the two new MP maps coming sometime in the future.
VisceralBowl
Member
Sounds great. Will buy a few copies.
93xfan
Banned
I'm sure you and many others will enjoy the game. But this is not the remaster many previous owners were hoping for.
Add to that Naughty Dog's secrecy on gameplay footage before release.
shinobi602
Member
Always the last 72 hours that drives men mad...everyone's gone CRAZYYYY.
Any chance to try and knock someone down a peg, some people take. Just trolls nothing more.
entremet
Member
Given it was made with the PS3 in mind originally, that will always be the case, unless you're talking about a full remake and not a port.
RedAssedApe
Banned
The gods have clearly abandoned us
93xfan
Banned
I hope you're not trying to shame any and everyone who isn't thrilled by many of these graphical omissions. You walked into a tech thread of a re-release. This is what we discuss here.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Do you expect the game to be perfect i can understand some issue but aliasing and messed up textures you can find in any game.
CambriaRising
Member
It really isn't. You want to look at a half assed port? Go check out the Ratchet and Jak collections and numerous other examples of games that were sub res and couldn't hit 30fps, much less 60.
This needed to be said! It's gotten ridiculous! Every game thread is instant extreme freak out! It's becoming like Fox News around here!
esmith08734
Member
I think the big picture is ultimately lost here with this game.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
A text convo I had with a friend this morning
Him: after seeing that gif I'm definitely going 30
Me: oh christ
Him: the shadows look twice as good dude. come on
Me: the framerate at 60 is twice as good...
Him: i see what you're saying but I notice shadows in games more than framerate honestly
Him: and i rarely play games at 60 anyway
Me: i'm done with this. i'm just done.
Him: after seeing that gif I'm definitely going 30
Me: oh christ
Him: the shadows look twice as good dude. come on
Me: the framerate at 60 is twice as good...
Him: i see what you're saying but I notice shadows in games more than framerate honestly
Him: and i rarely play games at 60 anyway
Me: i'm done with this. i'm just done.
Wishmaster92
Member
More than likely they will patch this. Nothing major.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Then the ps4 is weak. Which do you prefer?
DoomGyver
Member
ND should have just used more clouds to blot out the sun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qdDdHMwhU2s#t=98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qdDdHMwhU2s#t=98
CambriaRising
Member
A text convo I had with a friend this morning
Him: after seeing that gif I'm definitely going 30
Me: oh christ
Him: the shadows look twice as good dude. come on
Me: the framerate at 60 is twice as good...
Him: i see what you're saying but I notice shadows in games more than framerate honestly
Him: and i rarely play games at 60 anyway
Me: i'm done with this. i'm just done.
You can't blame someone who doesn't know the difference, most console games aren't 60fps. If he wants better shadows and doesn't care about 60fps, thats his prerogative. He can enjoy the game the way he deems fit.
I prefer we have a thoughtful discourse instead of a hyperbolic one.
esmith08734
Member
If I re-buy this game, it will be for the 60fps. I know what the game looks like already, but I don't know how it runs on 60fps. Also, I play a game to play it, not to stand around and find the best looking shot possible. Gameplay > visuals, especially when the visuals are already great.
I agree. This certainly isn't what I expected, hence my disdain towards this port right now.
It's my fault for getting caught up in the ND hype lol. As a result of the past few days,
I will be seriously critical of anything ND says about Uncharted 4.
Unbelievable, for me personally, how this went from a must-buy to a used purchase.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
I refuse to believe some of the people in this thread exist IRL. I've never met a single gamer in the real world as irrational, entitled, and ignorant as some of the responses in this thread.
The shadow stuff isn't a huge deal to me, it doesn't look better enough to sacrifice the frame rate.
Expectations are not Naughty Dog's problem, they're yours. They've sold 7 million copies of this game already, they'll probably sell a few million more. They've won.
The shadow stuff isn't a huge deal to me, it doesn't look better enough to sacrifice the frame rate.
Expectations are not Naughty Dog's problem, they're yours. They've sold 7 million copies of this game already, they'll probably sell a few million more. They've won.
Boards of Canada
Member
Everyone should be disappointed because clearly, this game had either no QC budget or not enough. The graphical glitches missed are not something one should expect from Naughty Dog.
You might think this is some heel turn of epic proportions but I'm sure others that have read your posts can only smile at this new outrage.