Tom Henderson heard from 2 sources (one at GDC) that Switch 2 devkits dont have 4K outputs
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If this is true, I hope this hurts Nintendo BIG time. This would be the most mind-boggling shit imaginable. The ONLY way I could live with this would be if the dock had some kind of 4k Upscaler built in that is like the MCable on steroids. Failing that, it serves Nintendo right to bomb HARD. Magnificent retardation if true.I agree with you that no 4k is insane. Switch 2 games are going to look like jaggy messes on any decent 4k big screen. The hardware in this thing is shockingly bad and it should be called out.
hououinkyouma00
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So many people in here that don't know the difference between outputting and rendering...
Switch 2 was never going to render anything outside of maybe indie games in 4K. XBO S outputted 4K even if it couldn't render anything at 4K.
Switch 2 was never going to render anything outside of maybe indie games in 4K. XBO S outputted 4K even if it couldn't render anything at 4K.
FeralEcho
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If only I was talking about roms,but I mentioned emulation.
There were no legal rights for what they did. They just bullied the programmers into taking them off their sites.
Solarstrike
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Blitzkrieg!
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What does "4K Output" even mean? The output is going to be HDMI, obviously. It doesn't have HDMI 2.0 (4K60)? HDMI 2.1 (4K120)? There is no chance in hell it doesn't have at least HDMI 2.0, even if games do not scale to 4K. The way this dude is talking about it sounds like he has not idea how video output even works. Complete nonsense.
ResilientBanana
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Neither does a mobile chip.
DLSS upscale to 4K on Switch 2 HW is around 15ms, you would need a potato looking 30 FPS game to make it viable.
Radical_3d
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At best is a 4TF machine. How many times does the Series S needs that 4K output? I'm sure the final model will have it, tho.
ResilientBanana
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I don't think it's artificially restricted. I think it's physically restricted because it's close to the power of a 2050, except the 2050 has GDDR6 and the T239 (both are Ampere) in Switch 2 is using LPDDR5. That's 20Gbps vs 6Gbps at slower speeds.
Either there is a physical limitation or Nintendo is customizing a solution and it's not in the dev kit yet. But don't expect much.
Kamina
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I understand the difference between outputting and natively rendering in 4k. However, if this rumor floating around is true it worries me that it will do NEITHER.
awwr999999
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IIRC, someone high up at Nintendo's publicly said something to the effect of 'they're not going to ever move to 4k', and gave a bunch of solid reasons why that's the case.
Sony pushing 4k TVs on the world likely has something to do with Nintendo not buying into it.
Realistically, if Sony made a modern SD "gold standard" gaming TV/monitor (to replace Sony's old CRTs) it would benefit PlayStation tremendously.
Game studios spending 4x more money/time to make a 4k game that sells for the exact same price as a 720p Switch game is insane.
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I realise you're trolling, but actually it would make a lot more sense to upscale from 1080p or greater, given the Switch 2's limited Tensor cores. There's no point wasting your entire frame budget on upscaling.
split hairs
DenchDeckard
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2025 and no 4k output. That is absolutely a Nintendo thing to do!
Day one.
Day one.
Gambit2483
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Nintendo haters/trolls getting in their last licks while they can I see
Kataploom
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Well, the reason you're so mad is because you don't know about the leaked specs or text in general, therefore you wouldn't be saying "ps4 tech" with everything we know so far about the T239.Let's be fr cause i'm an honest person. The series s has been clowned on for yearssssssss on here because of being underpowered but the switch 2 is going to launch with no 4k, no OLED, and ps4 tech inside of it for 400 dollars. This thing should rightfully be clowned on cause the tech inside of it is a dumpster fire and they're going to charge more than consoles with much better specs lolll.
Also a very reliable leaker already dismissed the "no 4K" bs.
I'm pretty sure some games will reach 4K but I guess Nintendo will opt for 2K DLSS at last gen or maybe a little better because of the system being more powerful than last gen consoles with modern tech and way more RAM.
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Moses85
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Baemono
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I mean at this point, isn't it cheaper to have a very standard 4k output (like the Switch OLED has - but disabled by software) ?
It would be their 3rd console with 1080p output, that should last until 2032 the earliest, doesn't make any sense
Portugeezer
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Doesn't make sense to NOT support 4k... the games don't have to render at 4k.
vaibhavpisal
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If this doesn't have 4k output then how will it play on 4k sets? Will it use TV upscaling?
Missed opportunity, Nintendo should put an upscaling DLSS chip in dock to make everything 4k.
Missed opportunity, Nintendo should put an upscaling DLSS chip in dock to make everything 4k.
Anyone who is an enthusiast gamer would of known the rumoured switch 2 chip would be too puny to run 4k games, native or reconstructed.
It just doesn't have enough grunt to run games 4k dlss, expectations should have been kept in check.
At the end of the day it's still going to be a great mobile gaming device
Shifty1897
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People are missing that the Switch 2 was expected to use DLSS to upscale a 1080p image to 4K, so no 4K output is surprising.
What's the point of being the only console manufacturer to work with Nvidia and then not use their tech?
What's the point of being the only console manufacturer to work with Nvidia and then not use their tech?
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OGM_Madness
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1080P at launch.
You can then buy an Expansion Pak to output to 1440P. /s
In 2025, not having a native 4K output is wild.
You can then buy an Expansion Pak to output to 1440P. /s
In 2025, not having a native 4K output is wild.
Onironauta
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ITT: people that don't understand the difference between render resolution and output resolution
Even if Switch 2 is too weak for native 4K (it should handle it in 2D games though) it would be crazy for it not to support it as output resolution
Even if Switch 2 is too weak for native 4K (it should handle it in 2D games though) it would be crazy for it not to support it as output resolution
Minsc
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Gut reaction - feels fake. I don't think you can "not have 4k output" on a device made in the last 10 years.
Like it's probably actually impossible for this to be true, on a technical level. Maybe software doesn't support it, but it CAN output it by hardware.
I mean a $10 chip on a stick media player has 4k output lol.
Like it's probably actually impossible for this to be true, on a technical level. Maybe software doesn't support it, but it CAN output it by hardware.
I mean a $10 chip on a stick media player has 4k output lol.
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kevboard
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Why are so many people instantly already conflating video output options with hardware power?
are you all fucking brain-dead? seriously what is wrong with your heads? did someone put a cigar out on your fontanel as a baby?
how is it that literally the second any technical spec is being discussed in any thread everyone's brain seems to completely shut down or fall out of their skulls?
4K video out is in no way shape or form indicative of hardware performance, nor is it tied to it outside of the HDMI chip used.
4K output is however preferable to a 1080p output, because presumably the console will do a better job scaling the image up than your TV. especially TVs with low end on-board chipsets.
are you all fucking brain-dead? seriously what is wrong with your heads? did someone put a cigar out on your fontanel as a baby?
how is it that literally the second any technical spec is being discussed in any thread everyone's brain seems to completely shut down or fall out of their skulls?
4K video out is in no way shape or form indicative of hardware performance, nor is it tied to it outside of the HDMI chip used.
4K output is however preferable to a 1080p output, because presumably the console will do a better job scaling the image up than your TV. especially TVs with low end on-board chipsets.
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Woopah
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Why are you so obsessed with autism? This is a gaming forum.
kikii
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HeisenbergFX4
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It is kind of mind blowing people thinking this statement means render power and not just having the ability to output a 4k signal
Matsuchezz
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those buying Nintendo consoles expecting state of the art tech are simply delusional and dumb. And they forget history very easily.
Gambit2483
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4k tvs are now at least 8 years standard on the market. 4k resolution is not "state of the art" tech.
People are freaking out over a rumor...of a dev kit.
SilentSpecter
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but:
"the dev kits, or some of the dev kits, don't have a 4K output,"
Tom's statement does not rule out 4K in the final version of the Switch 2 but suggests that, at this stage of development, Nintendo either does not prioritize this resolution or has not implemented it yet. Some devkits without 4K could simply be cheaper test units.
"the dev kits, or some of the dev kits, don't have a 4K output,"
Tom's statement does not rule out 4K in the final version of the Switch 2 but suggests that, at this stage of development, Nintendo either does not prioritize this resolution or has not implemented it yet. Some devkits without 4K could simply be cheaper test units.
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Imtjnotu
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I put this on page 1....