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Toonami |Jan14| See you, Space Cowboy. Hello, Space Dandy

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Seda

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Zonic505 said:
Wow, that was weird. I accidentally edited a post instead of making a new one.

Maybe it was because I wasn't expecting it to be so....serious, but I think I just recall so much of it being a downer & such. It's been a while, but I just remember that I tried to get into it, but I just couldn't. Perhaps it's just the fact the more serious talky stuff (this, Ghost in the Shell, etc) has a harder time grabbing my attention. I think like GitS, I can see the potential & how others like it, but it's not for me. I wouldn't really call it "bad", but "eeh".
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I think at the time Casshern Sins started to air, I was in the mood for a more no-nonsense show, maybe a little less happy/fun, and Casshern hit the spot nearly perfectly - like how a glass of water can taste like the best thing ever on a hot day, but perhaps plain or boring otherwise. Probably a terrible analogy.
 
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BassForever said:
So right now I have a vote for e7, a vote for casshern sins, a vote for gxp, and a vote for not casshern sins from mik. Lol
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Whenever you do decide to go through Casshern, lock up your kitchen knives and utensils, and dangerous tools, or anything else that could be used to inflict self-harm.
 
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Like I totally understand if some people weren't feeling the humor in the first half of Space Dandy but reading some of the related threads I have no idea what some people's objections to the "fanservice" are. I regularly see similar stuff in plenty of American TVs shows and movies; shows and movies I have had no problems watching with my father or even former/current employers. Like what kind of shows/movies do these people watch?

BassForever said:
So right now I have a vote for e7, a vote for casshern sins, a vote for gxp, and a vote for not casshern sins from mik. Lol
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Casshern Sins is the best show out of that group but its SUPER depressing and almost everybody has like death flags on them all the time. Samurai 7 is enjoyable but not a must watch, E7 takes a LONG time before it hits its stride and you'll probably hate a bunch of its characters but its a good show if you're willing to stick with it. GXP is pure concentrated horse anal drippings.
 
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Amikami

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BassForever said:
So right now I have a vote for e7, a vote for casshern sins, a vote for gxp, and a vote for not casshern sins from mik. Lol
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I vote for Casshern. E7 is fun too but a longer series and take awhile to really get started imo. Casshern is straight to the point and keeps you there.
 
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Zonic

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Seda said:
I think at the time Casshern Sins started to air, I was in the mood for a more no-nonsense show, maybe a little less happy/fun, and Casshern hit the spot nearly perfectly - like how a glass of water can taste like the best thing ever on a hot day, but perhaps plain or boring otherwise. Probably a terrible analogy.
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Nah, I get what ya mean. I don't mind a more serious anime from time to time, but I guess my impression of Tatsunoko was they were more of a "fun" company. I mean, this was the company that did Speed Racer, Samurai Pizza Cats, Gold Lightan, Yatterman, & more. Maybe I just went into the series with the wrong mindset.
 
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Man God

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Watch E7 because it'll give me enough time to wrangle copies of Casshern and Samurai Seven. Really should have watched S7 when it was on Netflix...

EDIT: I guess they are both on Hulu, dubbed even. Still, ewww, Hulu.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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Crocodile said:
Like I totally understand if some people weren't feeling the humor in the first half of Space Dandy but reading some of the related threads I have no idea what some people's objections to the "fanservice" are. I regularly see similar stuff in plenty of American TVs shows and movies; shows and movies I have had no problems watching with my father or even former/current employers. Like what kind of shows/movies do these people watch?
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Anime has a certain stigma to some people that separates it from live action television and film.

T&A in an animated show: Nerdy, weird, embarrassing
T&A in a live action show: Perfectly fine

Not saying I think this way, but I certainly know individuals who follow this line of reasoning.
 
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Zonic

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Gucci Messiah said:
Anime has a certain stigma to some people that separates it from live action television and film.

T&A in an animated show: Nerdy, weird, embarrassing
T&A in a live action show: Perfectly fine

Not saying I think this way, but I certainly know individuals who follow this line of reasoning.
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To be fair, in US animation, you don't usually see it or it's the set-up for a joke. Though again, could be because of said logic above.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it kind of bugs me that US animation either falls into "It's for kids" or "grown-up comedies like Family Guy or Simpsons". There's no real "middle ground", which I feel anime kind of has a wider range.
 
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lazybones18

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One Piece 236-241 impressions

It just really isn't Luffy's day.
Gotta fight Usopp during the night, then he gotta take on Franky during the day. Not to mention five shipwrights and the rest of the town are trying to whoop his ass on account of Iceberg getting shot and that bitch Robin being there at the scene of the crime.

And we see finally Franky behind the mask: loud and obnoxious. And can't sing worth a damn either. But a cyborg that needs cola for fuel? That's pretty cool. And so was that air attack. Please don't hurt Usopp again! He's been through enough dammit

And then there's Robin. Oh Robin, trying to be so cold. I'd say Zoro's hunch that you're trying to get the others to meet the others at Iceberg's place during the storm is right on the money. It's clear you want them to save your sorry ass. Personally, I would let this CP9 nonsense be exposed and then let you and the rest of the CP9 bozos rot somewhere. Then we would be rid of you for a very long time. But it's clear that won't be the case. It's fun to dream sometimes
 
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foxuzamaki

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Zonic505 said:
To be fair, in US animation, you don't usually see it or it's the set-up for a joke. Though again, could be because of said logic above.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it kind of bugs me that US animation either falls into "It's for kids" or "grown-up comedies like Family Guy or Simpsons". There's no real "middle ground", which I feel anime kind of has a wider range.
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MXC hit the nail on the head.
 
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Man God

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lazybones18 said:
One Piece 236-241 impressions

It just really isn't Luffy's day.
Gotta fight Usopp during the night, then he gotta take on Franky during the day. Not to mention five shipwrights and the rest of the town are trying to whoop his ass on account of Iceberg getting shot and that bitch Robin being there at the scene of the crime.

And we see finally Franky behind the mask: loud and obnoxious. And can't sing worth a damn either. But a cyborg that needs cola for fuel? That's pretty cool. And so was that air attack. Please don't hurt Usopp again! He's been through enough dammit

And then there's Robin. Oh Robin, trying to be so cold. I'd say Zoro's hunch that you're trying to get the others to meet the others at Iceberg's place during the storm is right on the money. It's clear you want them to save your sorry ass. Personally, I would let this CP9 nonsense be exposed and then let you and the rest of the CP9 bozos rot somewhere. Then we would be rid of you for a very long time. But it's clear that won't be the case. It's fun to dream sometimes
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A very subtle thing about Robin (that's easier to notice in Japanese) is that she almost exclusively refers to the crew since joining them by their roles on the ship and not by name. She's creating distance between herself and the crew for some reason! Watch and find out, true believers!
 
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Man God

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B-Dubs said:
That was the shit man, so good. So pissed off they never animated the final arc.
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A show with filler so mediocre it assassinated the show.

Not like they haven't tried reboots either; Japan loves RK, they just can't get that right either.
 
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Seda

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Man God said:
A very subtle thing about Robin (that's easier to notice in Japanese) is that she almost exclusively refers to the crew since joining them by their roles on the ship and not by name. She's creating distance between herself and the crew for some reason! Watch and find out, true believers!
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I thought this was a pretty clear quirk, actually.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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Zonic505 said:
To be fair, in US animation, you don't usually see it or it's the set-up for a joke. Though again, could be because of said logic above.
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I would argue that US animation is pretty much devoid of 'fanservice' in the traditional, sexualized, Japanese sense. I can't pin this on an exact cause but I'll try to take a stab at it.

Reason #1: Attitudes towards sex

The US is more conservative than Japan, especially when it comes to sexuality. Due to this, a lot of Western animated shows skew young or tone down the sexuality in order to skirt the censors/avoid outraging parents or religious organizations.

Reason #2: The perception of animated shows

In the United States animated programming is largely aimed at children. Adult Swim, Comedy Central, and Fox's Sunday block have helped to change that but most of the shows shown on these blocks/channels get their 'adult' pedigree from language, controversy, mature themes, or excessive physical comedy rather than sexualized imagery. Many people view animated shows as juvenile in nature and find it weird or disturbing to see 'fanservice'. Blame society.

Reason #3: Lack of diversity

Since American animated programming doesn't have a history of 'fanservice' or large enough demand, producers haven't tried to incorporate it into their product. The TV business is extremely formulaic and devoid of risk in the United States if you ask me, most studios aren't going to green light a project that they feel won't reach as broad an audience as possible.

Thoughts? These are just my guesses. Sorry if I'm rambling, it's late.
 
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foxuzamaki

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you can find tons of japanese animated porn, yet how much american animated porn do you know about, that should tell you something
 
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lazybones18

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foxuzamaki said:
you can find tons of japanese animated porn, yet how much american animated porn do you know about, that should tell you something
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Ahh, American animated porn....mostly rip-off drawings of cartoon characters from popular animated shows. Just another example of American laziness
 
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Amikami

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foxuzamaki said:
now it is your burden to campaign and get it back on toonami ;p
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I sure wouldn't mind it being on toonami because I've never seen it all. Just a stray episode here and there. Harrassing campaigning is what Q&A is for.

Straying from the topic, I just got my netflix subscription back. Think I going to re-watch Samurai Champloo.
 
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foxuzamaki

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Amikami said:
I sure wouldn't mind it being on toonami because I've never seen it all. Just a stray episode here and there. Harrassing campaigning is what Q&A is for.

Straying from the topic, I just got my netflix subscription back. Think I going to re-watch Samurai Champloo.
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You should totally re-watch
 
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SAB CA

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Requisite Kenshin Mention Acknowledgment. (This is never how I would imagine a video for the song looking, haha.)

Zonic505 said:
What a disappointment Casshern Sins was, ESPECIALLY after being excited to see it after playing Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom. Such a dull series.
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I found it disappointing, too. After seeing some of it at an anime con years earlier, seeing the live action movie, and seeing the old OVA series, Sins was just... bleh, overall.

All of it's "What is real life? What's the cost of immortality? What things should humanity strive for, and what would ruin them?!" questions are better served in other shows, and after a while, all those delicious FEELS moments start to get kinda predictable. Characters never get a chance to come back and show any growth, and it just starts to feel... "angsty".

It was a great looking show. And I could listen to "A Path" from it constantly (Though I swear the version heard on Toonami doesn't exist on youtube -_- ). But as an overall show, I'd have rather just had a simple 8-Man / classic Casshern style affair, rather than all the "deep" stuff they ultimately stumbled all over.

It and Samurai 7 were both shows I had wanted to get on DVD for years beforehand... and after seeing them on Toonami... I'm glad I picked up other stuff instead...
 
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SousedLouse said:
Hey, composers have to get paid too. Hell, Akira Senju worked on Victory Gundam before he went on to write music for FMA: Brotherhood and Tetsujin 28.

Money talks, and personal tastes walk.
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B-Dubs said:
I think everyone just expected something entirely different, despite all the previews telling them not to expect those things.
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They did? It looked like an absurd tribute to Buck Rogers and that was what we got. =/

SAB CA said:
Reading over the last pages of "Fanservice" discussion... I really have to wonder how the creators of shows view some of their decisions. If looked at by the content of each half of the show, Dandy looks like a mess, and a juvenile one at that. As if some execs said "Guys like this stuff, right? Lets put that in there, that'll get their attention!"

At it's core, fanservice isn't purely sexual. It's ANYTHING done in excess as a service to those watching, that has no purpose to the story.

Fanservice includes things like
  • Transformation sequences
  • Overly detailed brandishing of weapons
  • Insanely well drawn pans over cityscapes, landmarks, etc
  • stupid-fluid animation on actions that could be illustrated much more simply
  • Highly detailed drawings during closeups, that are obviously of a quality above the usual art
  • Making references to other shows, with background characters and art.
  • Scriptwriting that calls out to anything the creators or viewers are passionate about.

Looking at it in that way, I think Dandy was pure "fanservice".

The first part of the episode was kinda lax in animation, and basically just did enough to get by. But we jumped between a lot of minimally-animated stills of various styles and personality. It was all about vocal jokes, a few "sexy" scenes, and blowing your expectations out of the water with it's ridiculousness. "Boobies" wasn't just a space station... It was a space station trapped witin 2 huge flesh-colored spheres with pink lights on the ends. The girls weren't just human... they had aliens with multi-boobs. They ranged from extremely pretty and charming, to extremely butch and masculine (to the human eye). It just got that "man's first desire in space... is to find hot alien women, and ogle them!" bit out of the way, but in a bit of a fun way. Meow and Dandy, being 2 vastly different beings, but with a similar passion for the ladies, is a nice bridge between 2 distinctly different characters.

In between this, we're introduced to a possible antagonist, who'se oddly riding around with a Statue of Liberty-inspired ship mass, is a giant ape, speaking to a skeleton-guy, while acting as if Dandy is the best main character ever. Someone forgot to tell him what show we're in, because as far as he's concerned, Dandy is Sasuke, and he's awesome, and needs to be stopped! For some reason, there was a space war in this sequence, too. A large scale battle, reduced to the most insignificant of things within this episode...

And then we get to the next part, which is pretty much action-fanservice. The animation and designs went crazy, and no expense was spared on ANYTHING. We got more beast designs in these few minutes, than exist in some entire series. The animations for Dandy and Meow being on fire, drowning, and Dandy swinging around and shooting his gun were just off the charts. There were pocket references to everything space and sci-fi related that they could get their hands on.

I feel like this first episode was basically trying to tell me "regardless of what you like in your anime, or shows... we can handle it, and we'll do it big... but in our own way! Hope you enjoy the ride!"

The whole show just seems to be a big spoof of classic and modern space and sci-fi themes, rolled into a show with just enough plot glue to let them reference whatever the creators fancy. It's not taking itself seriously at ALL yet, and I have to think one might be missing the point of the whole thing, if they try to read too far into what's been presented.
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Seda

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This was posted in the cartoon fight/action sequence thread. This was roughly a year ago!

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This is Symbionic Titan episode 16
 
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