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Torment: Tides of Numenera Kickstarter by InXile [Complete; $4.3 million funded]
- Thread starter Perkel
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As Llyranor already pointed out, the 75$ tier gives you the Digital Numenera Player's Guide, not the Corebook.
From the design diaries of Numenera's website
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Ah, then I might as well pre-order the core book.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Yea I want the option to do a digital tier, but get the physical corebook without breaking bank. I want that damn corebook.
Brother None
Member
It's not. Owned by a different company, so we can't sell any of 'em as add-ons, coz that relinquishes control of numbers. Instead, I just refer people to the Numenera pre-order page: http://www.numenera.com/numenera-pre-orders/ Better to buy it straight from Monte.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Ok I was wondering what the talk about a pre-order was for this. Thanks!
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Yep, that's what I'm looking at.
It's a shame you can't order a digital version alone, as I don't like having too many physical possessions hanging about.
Dumb question, but will the eventual Numenera forum be a completely separate entity from the Wasteland 2 forums?
The W2 forum is at wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com, and obviously Torment's site is set up at torment.inxile-entertainment.com.
So, I guess I know the answer, but I think it might be cool to have one primary forum for inXile, then have separate sub-sections for all the different W2 or Torment forums. But I understand why they are set up completely separate from one another.
I'm just lazy.
The W2 forum is at wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com, and obviously Torment's site is set up at torment.inxile-entertainment.com.
So, I guess I know the answer, but I think it might be cool to have one primary forum for inXile, then have separate sub-sections for all the different W2 or Torment forums. But I understand why they are set up completely separate from one another.
I'm just lazy.
A thought about the Player's Guide: I'm curious how the content for that will differ from the instruction manual, which is still going to have to offer enough explanation for the game mechanics for the player to have an understanding of what the options on offer actually mean in real terms.
Thinking back to Baldur's Gate, I recall half the (hefty!) manual there was taken up with a basic explanation of D&D mechanics; I assume that's the sort of content that'd be found in the Player's Guide. I'm trying to imagine, though, how BG would have felt if I *didn't* have as detailed a reference guide to hand.
Thinking back to Baldur's Gate, I recall half the (hefty!) manual there was taken up with a basic explanation of D&D mechanics; I assume that's the sort of content that'd be found in the Player's Guide. I'm trying to imagine, though, how BG would have felt if I *didn't* have as detailed a reference guide to hand.
I thought the Player's Guide was a Numenera campaign guide, rather than a ToN campaign guide?
I'm taking it as an explanation of the game mechanics, which in the tabletop version you'd give to the players so they can understand what they need to know without getting bogged down in GM-specific detail. As I suggested, there's something very similar in the manual for Baldur's Gate, which is the parallel I'm working with, but I'm curious what guidance people who don't get the PG will have. You've still gotta tell 'em something!
It might be that all players will get the BG manual level of mechanics detail, and the Player's Guide goes a bit beyond that but still shies away from anything that only the GM would need to be aware of.
That's why I'm still for "less meaty" but daily updates. The buzz is pretty much dead.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
The numbers of backers have steadily increased at least, we're almost there for the second Fathom.
trab pu kcip
Member
wasn't there supposed to be an update? did I miss it?
SquiddyCracker
Banned
You haven't missed anything yet, but it is meant to come out today yep.
Yea I'm surprised how much it's slowed down, even considering the initial rush was so huge.
Not sure what the reasons are. Kickstarter fatigue? Updates? Something else?
Let me quote myself from the first hour of the kickstarter:
Maybe I should work in finance or something.
I think their core audience for this game has been thoroughly Kickstarter trained, so when the funding launched everyone rushed in early.
Edit: Durante wins.
Well done!
Yea, I don't think it's any reason to panic or anything. But the updates don't seem to be as frequent as on comparable projects, especially P:E.
I was dubious about P:E at first due to the lack of concrete information, but as they continued to talk about their ideas for the game during the campaign my enthusiasm increased.
Perhaps something major will be unveiled soon.
Yep. Give people a reason to keep the excitement going and they will.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
4 million stretch goal - 2D pre-rendered art more detailed than PS:T.
I think 4 million is what they'll reasonably get, if they can push out some interesting updates and intermediate stretchgoals.
I think 4 million is what they'll reasonably get, if they can push out some interesting updates and intermediate stretchgoals.
Even if it would not meet another stretch goal, as long as it's initially funded, I have no worries. It has already trice the initial amount asked for and I bet even with 900k the game would be very good already, everything on top is just a bonus. That said, it'll meet 3.5 million for sure. 4 million? Could be tough, but doable. Hope 3.5 Mill has 2D backgrounds.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Yeah, I think it'll barely hit 4 million (with the paypal donation) much like Project Eternity, but only if they have a super-super juicy stretch goal.
which got 4.5
from what I've seen T:TON has be doing better than PE, but maybe it just got better early exposure and it will have a weaker final push.
In someways I wonder if 2D would happen at all solely based on the fact that the team has become comfortable and efficient working on Wasteland 2. Of course they always have Obsidian to look to if they need help getting their feet in the door. I find 2D to be the primary thing I want to talk about just because I put so much weight on it's importance. Hopefully they are getting a good feel for how the community feels about this particular design choice.
And if we miss the goal we have no 2D backgrounds. I'd rather not risking it. Make something else good, but optional the 4mil goal.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
A 3D engine wouldn't be the end of the world, but I feel it would do the "Torment" type of game some disservice.
Wasteland 2 looks great for what it is, but it ain't no Torment.
Wasteland 2 looks great for what it is, but it ain't no Torment.
Shake Appeal
Member
Somehow I missed this until now. Pledged $45 to pick up Wasteland 2 as well. Still feels like gambling on games, but hey, I support the ideas. Between these two and Project Eternity, something's gotta be good, right?!
Brother None
Member
Aye. Internally we kind of predicted the same, at least it was my prediction this would be how it curves, so it's not exactly a problem.
Also, First Castoff Statuette
Mister_Bubbles
Member
Right!
At this point, I too just want 2D for the engine in terms of further stretch goals. The amount of in-game content they already have sounds great, though one or two more layers to the labyrinth will do nicely.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Yep, I'm happy to pay the equivalent of a full-price game, for a couple of KS projects that might produce an amazing RPG.
I love it!
I envy those who got that tier.
Shake Appeal
Member
Oh shit, they got Mark Morgan. I should probably read the Kickstarter before deciding to fund it in future. But this is the 'sequel' to my favourite videogame, so.
Mister_Bubbles
Member
Hey Brother None - forgive me if I'm way off here, but that statue is actually the First Castoff, right? And the Last Castoff is the player character?
It's a badass statue eitherway.
Wow. That thing is so awesome!
Here's hoping for a shipping mishap that accidentally sends one to me ;-P
We don't need a sensible approach here. Throw your money down first. Feel the guilt later. Always the best way.
Brother None
Member
Yeah.
657% more Reactivity. 360% more gameplay.
Mister_Bubbles
Member
Cool. Didn't mean to be rude, just saw it on the Torment tumblr and figured you might want to swap it before people start getting confused!
indigo-cyclops
Member
Brother None
Member
Their host suffered a power outage. It'll be back soon, hopefully.
Not rude at all, it was an oversight of mine.
Doesn't look like it, no, but we'll kick off a denser update schedule after, we have some exciting things to announce. More than niggles about how often you update or what you talk about exactly, it tends to be big announcements that can help bring some life into a Kickstarter at this point.