radioheadrule83
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Ed Milliband and sernior Labour Party members backing a yes vote to AV vote in 2011:
http://bit.ly/hWtc7z
http://bit.ly/hWtc7z
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UK PoliGAF thread of tell me about the rabbits again, Dave.
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J Tourettes
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iapetus said:
Get out of here with your reasonable talk.
J Tourettes said:
Hey, don't get me started on actually looking at the contents of the bill and its impact on real people rather than making a knee-jerk "bu...bu...bu... tuition fees" reaction. Not that I've done that yet either, but that's one of the reasons I haven't commented on it.
blazinglord
Member
I will be glad when the tuition fees debacle is over and done with today. This ill-informed debate has been so boringly tedious and the protests have been completely juvenile.
The Lib Dems should be more explicit to students about the available options - abolish tuition fees/keep the status quo but substantially reduce the number of university places, or go along with the proposed plans and keep the target of 50% available university places. Personally, I favour the former option, but I bet the idiots protesting in London today would probably prefer the latter.
The Lib Dems should be more explicit to students about the available options - abolish tuition fees/keep the status quo but substantially reduce the number of university places, or go along with the proposed plans and keep the target of 50% available university places. Personally, I favour the former option, but I bet the idiots protesting in London today would probably prefer the latter.
They brought it on themselves. They should have just abstained, which the coalition agreement allows. Now they have just made themselves look divided idiots and will probably cancel each other out anyway. From a Tory perspective though, I am rather enjoying the free ride the Tories are getting. Makes winning 2015 outright a whole lot more conceivable.iapetus said:
RedShift said:
they did agree to abstain in the coalition document. it's just that they decided to get hands on to try and improve it by integrating more progressive elements, and as a result couldn't not vote for it given how much they had personally put into it. doing that made the bill better, but it came at a heavy political cost.
From the coverage at the moment, get the impression this could go a bit nasty later.
The whole issue seems a clusterfuck really, but goes back to Labour's determination to shovel literally everyone through University as much as the state of the economy. Whether University was appropriate or beneficial for them or not.
The Lib Dems have handled it all terribly though, they should at the very least have stayed out of the whole issue. Vince Cable being the one to have to sell it has just fuelled things, and stopped any rational debate about it all. Same goes for Nick Clegg wading into it all. Meanwhile the Tories just sit back and watch, although while the Lib Dems are in the firing line at the moment this all sets the tone for things to come with other cuts.
What a mess, and all the parties have played their part.
The whole issue seems a clusterfuck really, but goes back to Labour's determination to shovel literally everyone through University as much as the state of the economy. Whether University was appropriate or beneficial for them or not.
The Lib Dems have handled it all terribly though, they should at the very least have stayed out of the whole issue. Vince Cable being the one to have to sell it has just fuelled things, and stopped any rational debate about it all. Same goes for Nick Clegg wading into it all. Meanwhile the Tories just sit back and watch, although while the Lib Dems are in the firing line at the moment this all sets the tone for things to come with other cuts.
What a mess, and all the parties have played their part.
I fucking hate student politics. Every person I've met that is involved in these protests is either:
1) Utterly ignorant to what is actually involved
2) Just going to shout things and for an excuse to say they were there
3) Overly idealistic liberals that think the government should pay for everything, but also not cut everything and not increase tax
4) Rahs
1) Utterly ignorant to what is actually involved
2) Just going to shout things and for an excuse to say they were there
3) Overly idealistic liberals that think the government should pay for everything, but also not cut everything and not increase tax
4) Rahs
Meadows said:
I'll add the whole point of university education is a privilege not a right. University isn't the place for vocational training courses, its a role for the 6th form to provide that.
Yes I have done a Masters in computer science, I had to get a student loan and had to get help to pay it through the LEA. Its not like future students aren't going to be able to get help, all that will happen is the youth will have to decide whether university is right for them.
APZonerunner
Member
Chinner said:
Beginning of the end for the coalition. Such a shame.
APZonerunner
Member
I think the disrespect shown to Churchill's statue is disgraceful. He is one of the greatest men our country has ever produced, and he was all about protecting the interests of the people.
killer_clank
Member
I'm all against these proposals but to be honest I can't say I'm pro the protesters, especially when so many half truths are being spread.
As a student, I would say a fair number of my friends feel the same.
And the Conservatives should be getting the brunt of the hate here. The Lib Dems are most definitely the junior partners, and can't go with every single proposal they promised as a majority government.
As a student, I would say a fair number of my friends feel the same.
And the Conservatives should be getting the brunt of the hate here. The Lib Dems are most definitely the junior partners, and can't go with every single proposal they promised as a majority government.
Linkified said:
Looking at the BBc live feed, it seems like half the resigning mps are conservatives anyway, which i wasn't really expecting, figured they'd all be for it.
Wes said:
I assumed he was looking to guarantee himself a place in the eventual wikileaks movie.
EDIT: Passed with a majority of 21