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[Messypandas]

American society? Then why once again is the UK murder numbers the same as France and Spain which allow handgun ownership?
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Why is U.S 40x the U.K rate of homicide?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

France and Spain have gun control, even if they do allow for ownership.

Why is it the same numbers though?

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Why is it the same numbers though?

Because just about nobody has guns anyways.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Because just about nobody has guns anyways.

In Spain people own 4.5 million guns and more than a quarter of a million handguns
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/spain

In France people own over 19 million guns, but there is no data on handgun numbers.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france

In England about 4 million guns (no counting NI or Scotland or Wales), but legally as we know no handguns.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

You could argue Spain and the UK being the same, except for handguns, but not France.

 

[God...frey Jones]

Are you sure your comments are not due to you being a prohibted person?

Probably the most pathetic Manos rebuttal I have seen yet.

I am all for constructive debate on the issue of guns, but stuff like this just sets you back a million miles.

 

[trineo_feo]

In Spain people own 4.5 million guns and more than a quarter of a million handguns
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/spain

In France people own over 19 million guns, but there is no data on handgun numbers.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france

In England about 4 million guns (no counting NI or Scotland or Wales), but legally as we know no handguns.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

You could argue Spain and the UK being the same, except for handguns, but not France.

I am from Spain an here NOBODY has guns. I have never seeen a gun in my life. I don't know anyone who has one. We don't have gun stores anywhere, I haver never seen one. Hell, I don't even know where to buy a gun if I wanted to.

And if a person here, who is not a policeman or a soldier or a hunter, has a gun, everybody thinks he is nuts.

 

[God...frey Jones]

I am from Spain an here NOBODY has guns. I have never seeen a gun in my life. I don't know anyone who has one. We don't have gun stores anywhere, I haver never seen one. Hell, I don't even know where to buy a gun if I wanted to.

And if a person here, who is not a policeman or a soldier or a hunter, has a gun, everybody thinks he is nuts.

Yeah, whether that last bit is fair or not, it's much the same here.

Manos, have you ever travelled extensively outside the US? Lived overseas somewhere?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I am from Spain an here NOBODY has guns. I have never seeen a gun in my life. I don't know anyone who has one. We don't have gun stores anywhere, I haver never seen one. Hell, I don't even know where to buy a gun if I wanted to.

And if a person here, who is not a policeman or a soldier or a hunter, has a gun, everybody thinks he is nuts.

Then you need to have a conversation with Funky Papa then.

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[God...frey Jones]

Manos, have you ever travelled extensively outside the US? Lived overseas somewhere?

?

Should I hold my breath waiting?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

?

Should I hold my breath waiting?

Sorry my family never had the money to be able to afford trips overseas.

 

[Jackpot]

Sorry my family never had the money to be able to afford trips overseas.

A lot of things are starting to make sense now.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

Why is it the same numbers though?

He answered already. It's gun control. You seem to be under the impression that Spain has lax gun control. They don't. Amir0x clearly showed that they have quite strict gun control.

I am from Spain an here NOBODY has guns. I have never seeen a gun in my life. I don't know anyone who has one. We don't have gun stores anywhere, I haver never seen one. Hell, I don't even know where to buy a gun if I wanted to.

And if a person here, who is not a policeman or a soldier or a hunter, has a gun, everybody thinks he is nuts.

Manos does not care if you are from Spain. Google says that you are wrong. You, a Spaniard, do not know what you are talking about when it comes to all matters Spanish.

?

Should I hold my breath waiting?

No.

Sorry my family never had the money to be able to afford trips overseas.

Those guns don't pay for themselves you know!

Japan is not a good example given the lack of privacy from the state, civil liberties and police power granted to the government. I don't think anyone here wishes that the Japanese legal system existed in the US.

What things specifically about the Japanese legal system do you not like?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

A lot of things are starting to make sense now.

What are you implying?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

He answered already. It's gun control. You seem to be under the impression that Spain has lax gun control. They don't. Amir0x clearly showed that they have quite strict gun control.

No he didn't, because it one again ignores why the UK's rate is similar with no handguns allowed.

Manos does not care if you are from Spain. Google says that you are wrong. You, a Spaniard, do not know what you are talking about when it comes to all matters Spanish.

Someone didn't read the full post when I mentioned a Spanish Gaffer.

Those guns don't pay for themselves you know!

That's why you buy used and never own to many. I have at most never had more than $1000-1500 paid in for my guns at any time.

What things specifically about the Japanese legal system do you not like?

Really?
Pre-Arrest Detention for long periods of time for any crime is a good start. 99.99 Conviction rate. Forced Confessions...shall I continue?
Japanese Bar Association Report
http://www.nichibenren.or.jp/library/en/document/data/daiyo_kangoku.pdf
International Bar Association Report
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...pYGoBA&usg=AFQjCNH32hGj1pF8n6WYJ1HbNMr887xxjg

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

No he didn't, because it one again ignores why the UK's rate is similar with no handguns allowed.

Yes, he did. Saying that he didn't, when he did, doesn't mean that he didn't. The answer is gun control. The other European countries have a similar rate to the UK because they have proper gun control laws. Amir0x could not have made that more clear. But go ahead and ask the same question again. The answer will still be gun control no matter how much you wish it weren't so.

Really? Pre-Arrest Detention for long periods of time for any crime is a good start. 99.99 Conviction rate. Forced Confessions...shall I continue?

Source?

EDIT - You hadn't posted your sources until after I asked for them. I will look over them now.

 

[MisterNoisy]

Man, this thread is insane.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

In April 2003 10-odd people were suspected of election violations in an election for the Kagoshima Prefectural Assembly. The suspects were arrested and detained in police station cells (daiyo kangoku), and almost all of them were subjected to long hours of interrogation from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., nearly every day.
Interrogators yelled things like “Don’t lie!” and “You’re getting the death penalty!”,
kicked and slammed tables, made suspects keep their hands up on tables, and in other ways
conducted extremely harsh interrogations. Additionally, they deceived suspects and offered
inducements during questioning.

My... god. Those poor tables. And they... << inhales sharply in horror >> made them keep their hands up on tables. The horror... the horror. Too bad not every country can follow the fine examples set by Gitmo. But we can still hope...

I wonder what happened to those suspects in the end? Surely they were found face down in a ditch somewhere, their civil rights trampled into the mud under the bootprints of their government oppressors.

In the trial, all 12 defendants were acquitted. The
court’s decision* recognized, among other things, that the
defendants’ confessions might be bogus because during
their detention they had been subjected to considerably
harsh interrogations in which interrogators coerced and
pressured them. The prosecutor gave up the appeal, and
the defendants’ acquittal was confirmed.

Mother of all... << dry heaves repeatedly >>

Read on for more... if you have the stomach for it...

In October 2003 the mayor (a woman) of Haki Town in
Fukuoka Prefecture was arrested and detained in daiyo kangoku on
the charge that she had swindled someone out of their tax refund.
Interrogators kicked the table, blew cigarette smoke in her face, yelled in her ears,
screamed at her all day, and when she had tea in the mornings and afternoons, interrogators
accused her of trying to avoid interrogation by drinking tea so she would have to go to the
lavatory. As a result, she became unable to drink tea. Even after going to bed, police officers
were always present, so that she was deprived of privacy 24 hours a day.

Again with the tables! Japan... JAPAN! STAHP! And smoke... in her face. Hopefully, she can, one day, drink tea again.

I shudder to even think about what probably happened to this lady. She's probably slowly decomposing in some back alleyway somewhere after an attempted tea-boarding gone wrong...

In April 2005 the defendant’s acquittal was confirmed.

DarthVaderNoooo.gif

Seriously, while this type of behavior is indeed deplorable, it's hardly heinous and it's certainly not a phenomenon limited solely to Japan.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

The predetention length is. You saw the chart in the JBA report right?

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

Really?
Pre-Arrest Detention for long periods of time for any crime is a good start. 99.99 Conviction rate. Forced Confessions...shall I continue?
Japanese Bar Association Report
http://www.nichibenren.or.jp/library/en/document/data/daiyo_kangoku.pdf
International Bar Association Report
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...pYGoBA&usg=AFQjCNH32hGj1pF8n6WYJ1HbNMr887xxjg

So that's IT?

Oh, by the way, Messypandas asked you a question:

Why is U.S 40x the U.K rate of homicide?

Answer please?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So that's it

You're going to just hand wave that? Really look you can disagree with me, but just to mock people who endured that...as if its somehow a victory against m is messed up. Then again that hasn't been the most messed up thing that was said to me today.

Also Amirox didnt explain a damn thing. All it proves is that banning handguns did not help reduce the number of homicides as those countries that did not.

 

[kingmozo9]

so glad i dont live in America... from the outside looking in, its seemingly a very twisted place to live (no offence)

ill never go, not even on holiday

 

[trineo_feo]

Manos, what is that list? 50 stores in the whole fucking country?

And those are for hunters and policemen and such. I am telling you, nobody here has a gun in their apartment for security reasons. Nobody has ever said "I need a gun because of burglars and shit". That does not happen.

And just plain civilians walking by the street with guns concealed or in ther bags? Crazyness here.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

The predetention length is. You saw the chart in the JBA report right?

The only thing that chart shows is that sometimes suspects are, for various reasons, held in the temporary jails instead of prison centers. In other words, they've copied the amount of time that the suspect was supposed to spend in a prison center and pasted it onto the the chart that shows the amount of time that the suspect is supposed to spend in a temporary jail. They then gave it a fancy name to make it sound more evil than it really is. The bottom line is that these people would have spent the same total amount of time being detained regardless of whether they spent their detainment time in a temporary jail or in a prison center. This is just lawyers arguing over red tape, thus explaining one of your sources. Again, I reiterate that this is not an acceptable practice by any means, but it is certainly not as horrendous as your Tea Party-like paranoia makes it out be and it is certainly FAR less significant than the unspeakable murder rates in the U.S. that you inexplicably list as a source of pride. This is just another distraction tactic on your part...

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

The only thing that chart shows is that sometimes suspects are, for various reasons, held in the temporary jails instead of prison centers. In other words, they've copied the amount of time that the suspect was supposed to spend in a prison center and pasted it onto the the chart that shows the amount of time that the suspect is supposed to spend in a temporary jail. They then gave it a fancy name to make it sound more evil than it really is. The bottom line is that these people would have spent the same total amount of time being detained regardless of whether they spent their detainment time in a temporary jail or in a prison center. This is just lawyers arguing over red tape, thus explaining one of your sources. Again, I reiterate that this is not an acceptable practice by any means, but it is certainly not as horrendous as your Tea Party-like paranoia makes it out be and it is certainly FAR less significant than the unspeakable murder rates in the U.S. that you inexplicably list as a source of pride. This is just another distraction tactic on your part...

Keep on digging.
Oh Tea Party lol

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

Also Amirox didnt explain a damn thing. All it proves is that banning handguns did not help reduce the number of homicides as those countries that did not.

We're not talking about banning of handguns. I clearly said gun control. Amir0x clearly stated gun control. Not gun bans. Gun control in those other European countries has resulted in a 20X better homicide rate than America. Most people would classify that as a reduction. UK achieved a 20X reduction via gun bans while the rest of Europe achieved a 20X reduction via gun control. Different methods, same results. This is not rocket science.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

Keep on digging.
Oh Tea Party lol

Keep on hand waving...

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Keep on hand waving...

I think you have me beat with your last two posts.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

I think you have me beat with your last two posts.

If the lameness of your most recent responses is any indication, it would seem so...

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

If the lameness of your most recent responses is any indication, it would seem so...

It takes a lot of handwaving to call the Japanese predention system just lawyers arguing about red tape.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

It takes a lot of handwaving to call the Japanese predention system just lawyers arguing about red tape.

How many citizens were actually affected by this system?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

How many citizens were actually affected by this system?

That's messed up.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

That's messed up.

Umm... what? Why? Seriously, how many people were affected by this? Wait... Did you think that I was referring to how many people were psychologically affected by this treatment? Because that's not what I meant. Good lord, your reading comprehension has been exceptionally questionable several times during this thread. It's like talking to a child. It does shed some light, however, on your obvious failure to grasp the issues that are being discussed here. Let me re-phrase the question then.

How many of the total number of citizens that were arrested in Japan were subjected to this "daiyo kangoku" treatment? These reports that you have cited failed to give any stats regarding this number, instead only detailing a few incidents. Because of this, I'm given the impression that these incidents of "daiyo kangoku" are isolated in nature and not official procedure, not unlike how Rodney King style beatings by American police officers are isolated and unofficial. An actual statistic would be nice here.

If this is all you've got as your "proof", then you've utterly failed to paint Japan as an oppressed society...

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Umm... what?
If this is all you've got as your "proof", then you've utterly failed to paint Japan as an oppressed society...

The fact that you just think its not normal procedure shows you either being really naive or have a bit too biased of a love for Japan.

You don't think a 99% conviction rate doesn't seem a little funny among other things like not respecting the right to remain silent.
http://www.law.ntu.edu.tw/ntulawreview/articles/6-1/13Article-Kazuko Ito_p367-387.pdf
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/jotl/manage/wp-content/uploads/soldwedel.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7063316.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8290767.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/w...79547200&en=a4eb5f0efa88a7a9&ei=5070&emc=eta1

Still lawyers arguing over red tape?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

So that's IT?

Oh, by the way, Messypandas asked you a question:Answer please?

Do you mind answer how it's now doubled from 20x to 40x in two pages? What numbers are you using because I get the feeling you're straight up lying about the murder rates in these countries but you can ignore the post again instead.

 

[EatinOlives]

Manos, what is that list? 50 stores in the whole fucking country?

And those are for hunters and policemen and such. I am telling you, nobody here has a gun in their apartment for security reasons. Nobody has ever said "I need a gun because of burglars and shit". That does not happen.

And just plain civilians walking by the street with guns concealed or in ther bags? Crazyness here.

Dude, stop. You are blowing his mind! A society that lives without guns? WHAT THE FUCK. This can't be real, I'm getting on the interwebs yellow pages to PROVE to you that guns are prevalent in your own country even though I've never been there!

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Dude, stop. You are blowing his mind! A society that lives without guns? WHAT THE FUCK

Except he's wrong and ignoring the quarter of a million handguns in Spain, and statements by a Spanish gun owner who pots on GAF.

Also 50 gun stores for a country only the size of Arizona and Utah* doesn't seem that odd.

iPad doesn't allow me to get cached links off google

Spain - US Department of State
www.state.gov › ... › Background Notes/Country Fact Sheets
including the Balearic and Canary Islands; about the size of Arizona and Utah .... in which Spain lost Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines to the United States.

 

[EatinOlives]

Except he's wrong and ignoring the quarter of a million handguns in Spain, and statements by a Spanish gun owner who pots on GAF.

Also 50 gun stores for a country only the size of Arizona and Utah* doesn't seem that odd.

iPad doesn't allow me to get cached links off google

Yes, surely you know better about gun ownership in Spanish society than a person who actually lives there.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Yes, surely you know better about gun ownership in Spanish society than a person who actually lives there.

Research and reading helps.

 

[God...frey Jones]

Sorry my family never had the money to be able to afford trips overseas.

Spending the money on machine guns?

As I expected, your scope of understanding is rather narrow, and you've never been able to experience a country where both its laws and its people don't rely on guns to feel safe and secure.

It's quite pleasant.

 

[Messypandas]

Do you mind answer how it's now doubled from 20x to 40x in two pages? What numbers are you using because I get the feeling you're straight up lying about the murder rates in these countries but you can ignore the post again instead.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Homicides_by_firearms.xls

U.S had 40x the homicide rate with a firearm (per 100,000) in comparison to Britain in 2009

 

[GaimeGuy]

Except he's wrong and ignoring the quarter of a million handguns in Spain, and statements by a Spanish gun owner who pots on GAF.

Also 50 gun stores for a country only the size of Arizona and Utah* doesn't seem that odd.

iPad doesn't allow me to get cached links off google

There are 50 THOUSAND licensed gun dealers in the US.

Spain has roughly 1/6 the US population (1/7th at worst).

I can't believe you've stooped to dick measuring using population and the amount of land in the country.

 

[EatinOlives]

Research and reading helps.

Ha. Implying what you're doing is research.

Hey guys, I've never been out of the country and I don't know anything about Spain, but I just googled a bunch of shit on the internets and they say there's like a bunch places selling guns, so I'm just going to assume Spain has a comparable gun culture as that of the US. Don't listen to the dude who actually lives there who's telling me otherwise, I "researched" it.

 

[Metal B]

Except he's wrong and ignoring the quarter of a million handguns in Spain, and statements by a Spanish gun owner who pots on GAF.

Also 50 gun stores for a country only the size of Arizona and Utah* doesn't seem that odd.

You know nothing about Spain or Europe in general, do you? Size doesn't matter, since in Europe there is a much higher density of population. Utah has a population of 2,817,222 people and a density of 13.2/km², Arizona has a population of 6,482,505 people and a density of 22/km². On the other hand Spain has a population of 47.190.493 people and a density of 94/km²! Having 50 gun stores means nothing there!

 

[PKrockin]

It would be nice if the majority of GAF would stop trying to speak for the mental state of gun owners. I don't like being stereotyped as a paranoid, delusional redneck or psychopathic jerk who can't wait to kill someone to prove how alpha he is.

 

[Typhoon_Ex]

Aaaa the US, you never cease to amaze me!

I see that the usual diggers are digging even bigger holes.

 

[travisbickle]

Universities are unique as an environment that cultivates young minds in highly mixed surroundings: culturally, politically, ethnically, and religiously, universities are a melting pot of difference in a small and predominantly shared space. Allowing guns into an environment where practically everything is shared, down to the dorms for sleeping, and where a variety of people from different backgrounds congregate is not a good idea.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Guess someone there did a degree in Retarded.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Universities are unique as an environment that cultivates young minds in highly mixed surroundings: culturally, politically, ethnically, and religiously, universities are a melting pot of difference in a small and predominantly shared space. Allowing guns into an environment where practically everything is shared, down to the dorms for sleeping, and where a variety of people from different backgrounds congregate is not a good idea.

You know not everyone has a roommate or a shard dorm.

Ha. Implying what you're doing is research.

Hey guys, I've never been out of the country and I don't know anything about Spain, but I just googled a bunch of shit on the internets and they say there's like a bunch places selling guns, so I'm just going to assume Spain has a comparable gun culture as that of the US. Don't listen to the dude who actually lives there who's telling me otherwise, I "researched" it.

Except you miss the point where I also based my comments on someone who lived in Spain,

There are 50 THOUSAND licensed gun dealers in the US.

Spain has roughly 1/6 the US population (1/7th at worst).

I can't believe you've stooped to dick measuring using population and the amount of land in the country.

Me many of those guys just do transfers out of their homes and do not operate store fronts. Keep trying and keep failing.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I find the thought of people carrying guns incredibly scary. The thought of them in classrooms is just mind boggling.

America is so backwards in some ways. I feel sorry for the Americans who have to worry about the number of guns around them.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I find the thought of people carrying guns incredibly scary. The thought of them in classrooms is just mind boggling.

America is so backwards in some ways. I feel sorry for the Americans who have to worry about the number of guns around them.

I feel sorry for people who have to depend on harsh language at best to defend themselves.