I honestly can't think of a single situation where the actor has been the problem. Maybe the kid Arya stabbed back in season 1. He was pretty bad. I've felt really bad for a lot of the Dornish actors because of that. I have to assume with the quality of the casting so far that they are all talented individuals making the best the can of an awful script. No one could sell "bad pussy".
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6 Offseason Thread
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I honestly can't think of a single situation where the actor has been the problem. Maybe the kid Arya stabbed back in season 1. He was pretty bad. I've felt really bad for a lot of the Dornish actors because of that. I have to assume with the quality of the casting so far that they are all talented individuals making the best the can of an awful script. No one could sell "bad pussy".
You guys are joking, right? You don't really think that that is why they weren't on the panel, do you? That they were scared of getting asked about rape?
Yep.
God knows after the missteps of last season, they need all the time in the world.
For everyone upset about Liam Cunningham getting ignored on Conan:
Liam Cunningham Exacts His Revenge On Conan
Liam Cunningham Exacts His Revenge On Conan
Littlefinger could.
Best costume ever. I hope people threw feces at it.
cartoon_soldier
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Littlefinger did.
I can't wait to see Linda's Twitter reactions to getting spoiled by Season 6 stuff. It's inevitable and I'll have my popcorn ready.
This is pretty much the silver lining.
bodyofanamerican
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I obviously can't speak for PD, but sure, I was being slightly facetious. I don't really think they were like "fuck we don't want to answer rape questions, better not go to the panel", but after what some people, including myself, consider to be the weakest season, I could see them not wanting to subject themselves to that panel.
On the other hand, they could very well just not have the time to attend these things, since they're now writing the season from whole cloth/GRRM's notes for the first time.
Ignatz Mouse
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I am wondering the same. Who are these people and why the ire?
Moff
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season 2 was not well received either and as far as I know they were at the panel after that season? most non-readers think season 5 was better than season 2 and 3, as far as I see.
and more importantly, season 5 had the highest ratings so far. I am absolutely certain that D&D have no fear at all to subject themselves to anyone.
they are the showrunners of HBOs most successful show ever, game of thrones is a pop phenomenon. I am sure they don't care at all about the internet outrage of some nerds.
and honestly, if I look at the questions people ask at those panels I have zero problems to see why people don't like to go there. quite the contrary actually, I really don't see why an actor would want to answer what his character might do in the future, it's incredibly silly.
They're Elio and Linda, creators of Westeros.org and friends of GRRM. They've done a lot of good for the ASOIAF community over the years, but once the show rolled around and the books became even more popular, cracks started to appear. I personally have no problem with Elio (except for the fact that he enables and tolerates Linda), but Linda simply isn't a nice person. She is very insulting to anyone who doesn't agree with her, and is extremely vitriolic when it comes to commenting on how D&D have adapted her beloved book series, of which she seems unhealthily possessive. The problem most people have with her - and by extension Elio - is that they are given such privilege despite their open hatred for the show, and comments such as the quote below. Not only do they appear on Thronecast, but they are frequently invited to events such as premieres and discussion panels. Linda even works as a subtitling translator for the show when it airs in Sweden.
Here's Linda's finest rant:
schlongdog
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I really hope Linda doesn't watch Season 6, I'm going to spoil the fuck out of her
bodyofanamerican
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Holy shit, hahaha.
What was the context here? Was she responding to someone that was mad about GRRM's stance on fan fiction?
PhoenixDark
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One thing that legit concerns me is that when Martin passes away, which hopefully won't be anytime soon of course, Elio & Linda will essentially become the defacto gatekeepers of the series. They are friends with Martin's wife, and if she lives longer than him I could definitely forsee them gaining more and more credibility. Martin doesn't want his work released poshumously but I can't help but believe he'll at least make clear he's fine with Elio & Linda releasing or revealing some of his lore notes, or presenting them at Texas A&M (which is where all his manuscripts are). Likewise I'd imagine they'll attend various cons and continue to nurture the fanbase.
I think Elio would be a great person for such a task; in some ways he reminds me of Christopher Tolkien, who has guarded his father's work to the best of his ability for decades. But I can't stand the idea of Linda having even more power, access, and a platform. Elio seems like a pushover to me. I understand he's not going to call out his fiance but still...come on bro. Nor am I saying he needs to "control his woman" - I'm just saying her behavior is unprofessional, and now that they're on such a pedestal they should act professionally.
Difficult to do since she is tasked with doing the subtitles for the show.
After watching each season "live" I binge through the show repeatedly in the off season from the very start. Taking a closer look at the building blocks for what may come in future seasons and as the show grew, it became harder to remember everything vividly so it's easier to go through it all again. And each time something else catches my attention. For example, the cause/effect of Jaime/Bran, Locke/Jaime and finally Bran(Hodor)/Locke.
It was part of the plot for characters to discuss others they aren't directly interacting with like King Robert and Lannisters were discussing Daenerys but I like those bits. I wish more of it was featured in the show, would have been nice to see for example Jon and Sam discuss Sansa getting married to Ramsay Bolton or Tyrion learning of Jon becoming Lord Commander via Varys.
Red Arremer
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100% agreed. Elio seems like a really genuine dude. He loves the universe (which at this point, he helped create and expand), and he is capable of the rationale needed to look at the show as the show and the books as the books, of them being different entities catering to different audiences even. It's just that he gets completely domineered by Linda and her views are, by association, pushed onto him. And it feels like Linda thinks that D&D are out on a personal vendetta to ruin her image of the SoIaF world, and to directly oppose her opinions with casting choices, or adding action scenes and whatnot.
Mind you, there's a lot of pettiness and stupid drama going on in the fandom from what I've seen (which is part of why I don't participate in the actual SoIaF community), and not all of the blame is to be put at Linda's feet, but she sure has done a lot more harm than good at this point.
I'm obviously not is a position to know a lot about these things like you were, but that's always been my impression, too. Elio seems like the kind of guy who has a really elitist/snobby view of his place as king of the fandom or whatever, who really views himself as some sort of authority figure. Unlike Linda, he's at least a rational person who knows what he can say and what he can't without damaging his public persona. Linda is just unhinged, to the point where sometimes I feel bad about the amount of hate that gets dumped on her since it feels like picking on someone who is genuinely troubled. But that's kind of on Elio for elevating someone like that to that position and on GRRM for continuing to associate with them, not just privately but professionally.
Ignatz Mouse
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Wow, does this make me glad I'm not active in fandom.
You hit the nail on the head there. He disliked WiC from the beginning and I'm pretty sure it is because we sort of, at least temporarily, usurped his absolute hold on the ASOIAF fandom.
Red Arremer
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Hm, thanks for the insights provided here.
You and your cronies.
PHOENIXZERO
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I ask this every once in awhile but has Linda read the Red Wedding and whatever other chapters she's skipped yet?
That shit kills me.
That shit kills me.
Red Arremer
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Apparently she has at this point.
Steelyuhas
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Game of Thrones leads all shows with 24 Emmy nominations, will update with a full list when I can track one down.
Red Arremer
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Is that the one with the fantastic sand snake fight scene?
Did the "you want a good girl, but you need a bad pussy" episode get nominated for best writing?
Did the "you want a good girl, but you need a bad pussy" episode get nominated for best writing?
Steelyuhas
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Two directing nominations, neither for "Hardhome".
Wat
Wat
Yes
Emmy voters clearly need the bad pussy
It sure did.
Seriously. Makes no sense
I don't think Hardhome got anything. 9 got visual effects. Best episode got snubbed! Emmy's gonna emmy
edit: scratch that, it got a few technical noms for sound and editing. Still... :|
Steelyuhas
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FWIW, I believe Hardhome has 6 noms tied to the episode, but no direction is still baffling.
bengraven
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Steelyuhas
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Hard to complain with all those noms, but no Jonathan Pryce for guest is disappointing. He was incredible in 507.
Edit: Nevermind, looks like the rule change means that Pryce wasn't eligible for a guest category.
Edit: Nevermind, looks like the rule change means that Pryce wasn't eligible for a guest category.
Oh god you're not joking. HBO most have Emmy voters' families held hostage or something.
What's weird is that there were episodes with legitimately great directing and writing. I think episode 5 could've made a great case for writing with the Bolton dinner scene and Tyrion+Jorah poetry hour. And Hardhome is an easy pick for directing. Who picked these episodes??
Edit: Actually, I think episode 5 is really underrated in general. One of the best in the series. It's a shame that it was followed by episode 6.
Nope. Dinklage, Headey, and Clarke. Diana Rigg as guest.
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Hardhome needed more love. That episode was just really well done.
Although I do hope Mother's Mercy wins for best writing just for the "bad pussy" line.
Although I do hope Mother's Mercy wins for best writing just for the "bad pussy" line.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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For sure, it's the only one I'd consider legitimately. The others had their moments, but nowhere near the level of Hardhome.
bengraven
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Hilarious. And they love them some Davos. Only male hero left on the fucking show except Tyrion I guess.
YES.
But in seriousness, she will likely close all social media.
That's...George's co-author ladies and gentlemen...and the most well respected figure in Game of Thrones fandom.
They were acting very neutral on the TV show. Reported it, but were very careful about putting too much faith in it. You and your cronies made the first really big blog with scoops and actual graphics and got some big attention early on.
It was pure jealousy and ended up becoming snobbery on their part, treating WIC like it was fountain Mtn Dew to their Perrier.
And then of course you guys left and now it's gas station Fanta without carbonation, but Linda is still a snobby dick.
That single camera focusing on Theon is Emmy worthy...
The actual wedding was beautifully shot and gorgeous, though it gets overshadowed unfairly.
I gotta admit, Clarke was better this year. But I seriously blame it on Dinklage being there. She even admitted that acting across from him she had to step it up. That dialogue between the two ("the wheel") was her best acting since Season 1.
Hardhome might have been the best episode of the series and had arguably the greatest battle scene in TV History. I'd actually give Mother's Mercy the award for shittiest writing of the season.
And what's with the same actors getting nominated every year? I really don't believe Emilia Clarke deserves an Emmy nomination all that much even if she's improved a lot over season 4. And Alfie Allen deserves the nomination way more than Dinklage this season. Oh and Diana Rigg has been a reoccurring character for three seasons now. She isn't a guest anymore.
Steelyuhas
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As long as Rigg appears in less than half of a season's episodes, she can submit in the guest category. Pryce appeared in 5, so he couldn't get a guest nom.
Fwiw on the writing nom, HBO has only submitted the season finale for writing the last two years, so if voters want to recognize the show for writing, that's their only vote.
Fwiw on the writing nom, HBO has only submitted the season finale for writing the last two years, so if voters want to recognize the show for writing, that's their only vote.
I'd probably say Dillane was the best on the show this season. They wrecked his character, but he fucking sold it. Allen still should've been the nominee for season 2. He carried that season, along with the Blackwater episode.
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