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[PumpkinSpice]

Firebrands profiles already do 1080 with good scanlines, except for being a bit too thick and underscanned.

I took a look at phonedorks video at 1080 and I don't think the scanlines are quite right. They are between lines in the Super Metroid minimap at least.

 

[NormalFish]

What do you mean you use comparable settings? I thought this was his own filter and not the painted on scanlines of the XRGB?

Edit: Just watched it again in 720p. Too bad he didn't upload in 1080, but it does look reaaaaly good... Phonedork about to become the hero we need if this all works out.

Firebrands profiles already do 1080 with good scanlines, except for being a bit too thick and underscanned.

I took a look at phonedorks video at 1080 and I don't think the scanlinrs are quite right. They aren't between lines in the Super Metroid minimal at least.

?? The video is in 1080p and if you don't watch in full screen the scan lines will look wrong.

Televator, it might be his own filter but my settings on the mini still look comparable. My impression is that it was his mini settings he was showing off, though. Not sure.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Does this mess look correct to you?

This is fullscreen 1080 on a 1080 monitor.

Edit: I just realized my phone autocorrected minimap to minimal in the previous post. I've corrected it, among some other problems in that sentence.

 

[televator]

Does this mess look correct to you?

This is fullscreen 1080 on a 1080 monitor.

Edit: I just realized my phone autocorrected minimap to minimal in the previous post. I've corrected it, among some other problems in that sentence.

Is this from the video?

 

[Peagles]

Minimap looks the same for me running at 1080 full screen on a 1080 monitor. The scanlines mostly look okay but there's something kinda off about them... Can't quite put my finger on it...

 

[PumpkinSpice]

From the video, see here: https://youtu.be/-2UPiNQmFVo?t=5m44s

They're off because there are scanlines in the middle of a scan.

Also check this out:

 

[televator]

From the video, see here: https://youtu.be/-2UPiNQmFVo?t=5m44s

They're off because there are scanlines in the middle of a scan.

Also check this out:

Yeah, I saw the mini map up close and you are right. Looks like the uneven integer problem might be unavoidable @ 1080p. An even pixel scale should yield much better results. It's always been a great setting for every scan line filter I've used on everything. Perhaps just give up on 1080p.

 

[NormalFish]

huh. I hadn't noticed that bit. I'll have to read back up on this stuff, but it hasn't been a focus lately.

 

[D.Lo]

Yeah his scaling is whacked, he's drawn black lines right in the middle of pixel lines.

Personally I prefer thicker semi transparent (non) scan lines like 720p on the FM, it's every third line not drawn, and that combined with transparency simulates the uneven pixel bleed to the non scanned lines of a real CRT better than hard black lines do.

To do it better at 1080p, you need to black out the second two of every four lines, but then you will get a crazy dark venetian blinds image, even if they're semi-transparent.

The solution for higher resolution simulated scan lines is running at 1440p, so they can be every third line again.

 

[Peagles]

Yeah his scaling is whacked, he's drawn black lines right in the middle of pixel lines.

Personally I prefer thicker semi transparent (non) scan lines like 720p on the FM, it's every third line not drawn, and that combined with transparency simulates the uneven pixel bleed to the non scanned lines of a real CRT better than hard black lines do.

To do it better at 1080p, you need to black out the second two of every four lines, but then you will get a crazy dark venetian blinds image, even if they're semi-transparent.

The solution for higher resolution simulated scan lines is running at 1440p, so they can be every third line again.

Yeh, I think it's the hard black lines that I don't like. They don't seem to agree with my eyes, it has a sort of strange optical illusion effect for me and I can't look at it for very long.

My Mini is still completely stock but I do like the scanlines on that already. I really need to find an SD card to upload some profiles and update firmware.

 

[NormalFish]

So does the mini do 1440p? Consideration for when I upgrade my monitor, but I thought it didn't.

 

[Peltz]

I still feel like no scanline filters capture the subtlety of any type of real scanlines that I've seen. They aren't supposed to be so "in your face" and noticeable like that. Yet, I don't know how you'd actually create a filter which properly does the job on a fixed pixel set.

It's a becoming a real problem for me to even play 240p games on the upscaler.

 

[Lettuce]

Nobody mentioned phonedork released a new video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2UPiNQmFVo

Hmm FBX on the 'XRGB-mini Framemeister' thread over at shumups forums has had profiles created for 1080p with scanlines for quiet sometime

 

[Peagles]

Hmm FBX on the 'XRGB-mini Framemeister' thread over at shumups forums has had profiles created for 1080p with scanlines for quiet sometime

They better than that video up there? I'm pretty new with this Mini stuff to be honest. I was looking at some profiles but not sure if that's the same ones.

Hmm he removed the video already?

 

[Umibozu]

They better than that video up there? I'm pretty new with this Mini stuff to be honest. I was looking at some profiles but not sure if that's the same ones.

Hmm he removed the video already?

I've used fbx 4x and 5x presets for my snes at 1080p and had better results than phonedork's video. I would have preferred thicker scanlines, but was happy with the results I got.
Although I'm not sure if his capture and youtube compression made his video look worse.

 

[Demise]

So, I have a project regarding time crisis game. I will buy a PS2 and 2 Gcon first gen + Time Crisis, 2 and 3. I know Gcon only work on cathode screen : So i'll need one.

I want it to be pretty big, 35' to 40' seems good but I think the quality of image will be bad since the resolution is something like 480p or even lower on Time Crisis 1. So, would I need a upscaler ? I know nothing about them, is someone kind enough to explain me the solution ? Thanks in advance ^^

 

[KiteGr]

I'm interested in buying a Wii to HDMI adapter, so I can free my component socket for my PS2.
On amazon I found a bunch of them, and some claim to offer 480p Signal, while others 1080p Signal.
I'm aware that the Wii can't produce anything other than 480p, so the 1080p version are obviously upscaling the image.

I have a TV decent enough to upscale the image of my old component connection.

Should I go with the 480p adapter and let my TV do the rest?
Or would I get better quality with a 1080p adapter?

 

[Shadow Hog]

Why not just buy a component switch? I wouldn't waste an HDMI port on a non-HD device like the Wii, anyway.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

I'm interested in buying a Wii to HDMI adapter, so I can free my component socket for my PS2.
On amazon I found a bunch of them, and some claim to offer 480p Signal, while others 1080p Signal.
I'm aware that the Wii can't produce anything other than 480p, so the 1080p version are obviously upscaling the image.

I have a TV decent enough to upscale the image of my old component connection.

Should I go with the 480p adapter and let my TV do the rest?
Or would I get better quality with a 1080p adapter?

From what I understand all the "480p adapter" is doing is analog to digital conversion for the signal it gets, no scaling. One nice side benefit of this is that 240p HDMI should work (if your TV supports that), so I'd recommend getting one that doesn't do any scaling.

 

[KiteGr]

Why not just buy a component switch? I wouldn't waste an HDMI port on a non-HD device like the Wii, anyway.

The Components are big enough on their own. I want to avoid any more oversized... stuff. If the quality doesn't get any worse, I would prefer an HDMI adapter.
Plus the HDMI adapter looks cheaper if you already have a spare HDMI cable.

From what I understand all the "480p adapter" is doing is analog to digital conversion for the signal it gets, no scaling. One nice side benefit of this is that 240p HDMI should work (if your TV supports that), so I'd recommend getting one that doesn't do any scaling.

You are saying that I would get a better quality if I let my TV do the upscaling?
My TV is LG 42LB650V... i think... (i'm away from home right now)

 

[televator]

Grown up McLovin explains to you how early game audio works.

 

[Shadow Hog]

The Components are big enough on their own. I want to avoid any more oversized... stuff. If the quality doesn't get any worse, I would prefer an HDMI adapter.
Plus the HDMI adapter looks cheaper if you already have a spare HDMI cable.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the components". We're talking about component cables, not consoles.

And component switches are really not very big. Mine is roughly the size of two DVD cases (or one US Sega CD/Saturn case).

Quality may or may not get worse, but it sure as hell isn't getting any better. Why waste an HDMI port on a Wii when you can just use component cables for the same quality, and leave the HDMI port open for a future HD console or Blu-Ray player or similar? I seriously cannot recommend the route you've decided - you get no positives, but potential negatives.

 

[Khaz]

So, I have a project regarding time crisis game. I will buy a PS2 and 2 Gcon first gen + Time Crisis, 2 and 3. I know Gcon only work on cathode screen : So i'll need one.

I want it to be pretty big, 35' to 40' seems good but I think the quality of image will be bad since the resolution is something like 480p or even lower on Time Crisis 1. So, would I need a upscaler ? I know nothing about them, is someone kind enough to explain me the solution ? Thanks in advance ^^

You want it as big as they were manufactured, which is probably something like 29" for 4/3. You don't need an upscaler on a CRT. PS1 games are 240p, yet they look good on a CRT, because CRTs don't have the problems LCDs have with low res stuff.

Make sure your CRT has Scart or Component in, otherwise it's worthless. Composite is not Component, just to be clear.

Bigger TVs are rear-projection TVs, but I have no idea if they work with Light guns. They probably do, but don't blame me if they don't.

 

[televator]

This is how the different audio channels work on a Sega Genesis for Sonic the Hedgehog, which also uses a Yamaha Chip akin to my previous post.

Don't know why I haven't been spurred to look for such audio examples until now. It really is interesting to see that the DAC... the goddamn DAC also injects quite important components to the overall soundscape. No wonder SPDIF mod like for the SNES is not possible on the Genesis.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I wonder if it gets hot in there tho
https://instagram.com/p/91llRfotuT/

 

[DracoBlade]

Hey guys so I hadn't gotten the chance to use my XRGB Mini on my SNES before now, but after recently getting my hands on a copy of Dracula X I'm noticing SEVERE screen tearing and overall visuals judder. The images are fine in every other cable format but perhaps my SCART cable is broken? is this the fabled CSYNC error? Or my SNES one of the rare chip models where the internal wiring is off? If it helps heres a pic of my cable ( I have the female to male SCART adapter so the "Do not use with XRGB Unit" shouldn't mean anything right?) I bought from retro accessories over a year ago and worked fine on my cheap scaler before getting the mini. And below are short clips from my phone.

RGB SCART TO XRGB VID 1

RGB SCART TO XRGB VID 2 (REALLY BAD TEARING w/ Scanlines enabled)


COMPOSITE VID (Everything is fine, but ugly as composite does. Better than I expected however)

 

[Khaz]

I wonder if it gets hot in there tho
https://instagram.com/p/91llRfotuT/

Why 19 though? I'd say, without any redundancies, one would need
- a 4/3 CRT
- 16/9 (HD) CRT
- 4/3 CRT in Tate
- a Modern fixed resolution display
- a computer VGA CRT on a desk
- maybe another 4/3 CRT TV on the desk for 8bit computers

And for special needs
- a Vectrex
- an Amstrad CPC monitor
- a monochrome monitor for your Apple II
- a 6 buttons cabinet
- a 6 buttons cabinet in tate
- a 4 buttons cabinet because Neo-Geo

I could go on with specific arcade cabinets, but that would be silly.

I admit that I have 5 out of 6 from my first list (no tate CRT yet) and an Amstrad monitor that I don't know what to do with. I want to have a Vectrex someday too.

 

[televator]

Hey guys so I hadn't gotten the chance to use my XRGB Mini on my SNES before now, but after recently getting my hands on a copy of Dracula X I'm noticing SEVERE screen tearing and overall visuals judder. The images are fine in every other cable format but perhaps my SCART cable is broken? is this the fabled CSYNC error? Or my SNES one of the rare chip models where the internal wiring is off? If it helps heres a pic of my cable ( I have the female to male SCART adapter so the "Do not use with XRGB Unit" shouldn't mean anything right?) I bought from retro accessories over a year ago and worked fine on my cheap scaler before getting the mini. And below are short clips from my phone.

RGB SCART TO XRGB VID 1

RGB SCART TO XRGB VID 2 (REALLY BAD TEARING w/ Scanlines enabled)


COMPOSITE VID (Everything is fine, but ugly as composite does. Better than I expected however)

I don't see why your male to female scart adapter would nullify the warning unless it's converting SCART to JP21. Do you have anything in between handling SCART to JP21? If not, DO NOT plug that cable into back in to your Framemeister and get either a JP21 cable for the SNES or a SCART to JP21 adapter cable.

 

[DracoBlade]

I don't see why your male to female scart adapter would nullify the warning unless it's converting SCART to JP21. Do you have anything in between handling SCART to JP21? If not, DO NOT plug that cable into back in to your Framemeister and get either a JP21 cable for the SNES or a SCART to JP21 adapter cable.

By adapter I meant the EURO to JP 21 Adapter from Retro gaming UK.

 

[ThatsMytrunks]

You guys might be the best people to ask: For video capture I've got an Avermedia internal capture card that takes HDMI at 720/60 or 1080/30. I don't have a bunch of money, but I'd like to start doing some better capture from actual systems, and most of them being RCA.

What do you suggest I get? Some sort of good RCA->HDMI upscaler? A dedicated RCA capture card? And if so, what kind, and if even more so, where from?

 

[Sixfortyfive]

You guys might be the best people to ask: For video capture I've got an Avermedia internal capture card that takes HDMI at 720/60 or 1080/30. I don't have a bunch of money, but I'd like to start doing some better capture from actual systems, and most of them being RCA.

What do you suggest I get? Some sort of good RCA->HDMI upscaler? A dedicated RCA capture card? And if so, what kind, and if even more so, where from?

What specific capture card do you have?

What game consoles would you be using?

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Hey guys so I hadn't gotten the chance to use my XRGB Mini on my SNES before now, but after recently getting my hands on a copy of Dracula X I'm noticing SEVERE screen tearing and overall visuals judder. The images are fine in every other cable format but perhaps my SCART cable is broken? is this the fabled CSYNC error? Or my SNES one of the rare chip models where the internal wiring is off? If it helps heres a pic of my cable ( I have the female to male SCART adapter so the "Do not use with XRGB Unit" shouldn't mean anything right?) I bought from retro accessories over a year ago and worked fine on my cheap scaler before getting the mini. And below are short clips from my phone.

RGB SCART TO XRGB VID 1

RGB SCART TO XRGB VID 2 (REALLY BAD TEARING w/ Scanlines enabled)


COMPOSITE VID (Everything is fine, but ugly as composite does. Better than I expected however)

Make sure SYNC_MODE is set to auto.

If that isn't enough, you may need to play with the SYNC_LEVEL a bit.

 

[Mega]

Grown up McLovin explains to you how early game audio works.

Very cool stuff. That and the Genesis video. I didn't know the Genesis used SMS sound channels as part of its overall audio capabilities.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Very cool stuff. That and the Genesis video. I didn't know the Genesis used SMS sound channels as part of its overall audio capabilities.

Sometimes it doesn't! Like, the default GEMS and SMPS sound drivers make use of it, but some custom drivers ignore it entirely - notably, most of Konami's work on the console and pretty much anything Jesper Kyd did.

 

[Umibozu]

Very cool stuff. That and the Genesis video. I didn't know the Genesis used SMS sound channels as part of its overall audio capabilities.

here's an old video that explained it well for me (how the different channels were used in conjunction):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLNKUT2ZbDI

 

[TheWraith]

Anyone know where I can order extra JP21 Scart to Framemeister 8-PIN adapter cables? No place seems to have them, and it's a bitch disconnecting different scarts from the Framemeister cable.

 

[Huggers]

Im a huge fan as well, basically the only game series I play these days on the PS/Xbox outside of some fighting games once in a while.

I only played Demons and Bloodborne. Both incredible. Pretty much the only modern games I really love. So much effort and imagination in those games.

 

[Noisepurge]

oh wow, i'd totally play that

Go for it
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615541

and sorry for continuing this offtopic nonsense!

 

[Timu]

I only played Demons and Bloodborne. Both incredible. Pretty much the only modern games I really love. So much effort and imagination in those games.

You need to play Dark Souls as well!!!

 

[televator]

Very cool stuff. That and the Genesis video. I didn't know the Genesis used SMS sound channels as part of its overall audio capabilities.

I'm glad someone else found it interesting. The importance of audio in this hobby is under emphasized IMO.

 

[D.Lo]

Grown up McLovin explains to you how early game audio works.

Nice video, but they lost me somewhat when they tried to use that ear bleeding Commodore 64 warble as proof it was superior to NES music.

 

[televator]

Nice video, but they lost me somewhat when they tried to use that ear bleeding Commodore 64 warble as proof it was superior to NES music.

I'm a sucker for layered audio. It makes things more dynamic and engaging to listen to IMO. However my take away is that versatility of channels is just as important if not more so than sheer number of them... to an extent.

 

[D.Lo]

Technical versatility, but still less channels, and the voices available on C64 sounded so bad so often that versatility is somewhat moot to me. Look up any 'best music on C64' thing on youtube and have your ears assaulted by noisy warbles.

I always think C64 kids are a bit blinded (deafened?) by nostalgia, they got used to the sound as kids. And I played it way more than NES as a kid, it was far more popular here in Australia (I didn't have either myself).

It is true a great number of NES games sound the same though. but many used the sample channel brilliantly, like Super Contra's orchestral hit, not to mention the extra channels of FDS and Famicom games.

 

[Morfeo]

I only played Demons and Bloodborne. Both incredible. Pretty much the only modern games I really love. So much effort and imagination in those games.

Listen to this man:

You need to play Dark Souls as well!!!

 

[televator]

Technical versatility, but still less channels, and the voices available on C64 sounded so bad so often that versatility is somewhat moot to me. Look up any 'best music on C64' thing on youtube and have your ears assaulted by noisy warbles.

I always think C64 kids are a bit blinded (deafened?) by nostalgia, they got used to the sound as kids. And I played it way more than NES as a kid, it was far more popular here in Australia (I didn't have either myself).

It is true a great number of NES games sound the same though. but many used the sample channel brilliantly, like Super Contra's orchestral hit, not to mention the extra channels of FDS and Famicom games.

Yeah... I still dig this. I'm not even a C64 fan. I dig complexity. Granted my taste in music can be a bit... Extreme by some people's standards. The Mars Volta are my gods. Lol

 

[IrishNinja]

man i keep updating my XRGB profiles but i swear i use just the one (forget if its the guys SNES or what) that looks fantastic with scanlines in 1080p

Nope, I've been a fan since Demon's.

Im a huge fan as well, basically the only game series I play these days on the PS/Xbox outside of some fighting games once in a while.

I've got your back, Irish.

I'm still playing through Demon's for the first time and it's one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had,

I may have just started a new job and took a short break to bang out a quick run of Chrono Trigger, but I'm coming back to my file either tonight or tomorrow.

I only played Demons and Bloodborne. Both incredible. Pretty much the only modern games I really love. So much effort and imagination in those games.

Go for it
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615541

and sorry for continuing this offtopic nonsense!

daps all around! platted bloodborne the other day, waiting on the DLC & debating DS2 for next year, haha

 

[ThatsMytrunks]

What specific capture card do you have?

What game consoles would you be using?

My card: AVerMedia Game Recorder -C985 Live Gamer HD. Game Capture/ Live Stream HD 1080p

I'd be capturing every system that has a RCA output (Yellow, White, and Red). NES, Genesis, obscure stuff like phones with a video out.

 

[Timu]

debating DS2 for next year, haha

When it comes to Dark Souls II, it's best to go in expecting it to not be as good as the others because it isn't(IMO) though it's a fine game.

 

[IrishNinja]

^yeah ive been told to adjust my expectations...honestly about once a year i get that itch, since we don't know when DS3 is yet this may just be my in-between next summer or so, haha

 

[Huggers]

You need to play Dark Souls as well!!!

Listen to this man:

Ahh I know! Stupidly sold my PS3 to fund my unnecessary launch day PS4 purchase. I've heard Dark Souls 2 is the weakest so I've still avoided that. I'll get to the first one some day I'm sure

daps all around! platted bloodborne the other day, waiting on the DLC & debating DS2 for next year, haha

Awesome man. I didn't platinum it. Couldn't be arsed with the chalice dungeons. I did kill very boss though and get all 3 endings. What an unbelievably brilliant game that is!