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bigtroyjon

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aegies said:
My rumors are only as good as my sources, which I'm reasonably confident in. But they could be wrong! By extension, I could be wrong. I'd heard that there were probably going to be several next-gen trailers at the VGAs, for example. That turned out to be hilariously wrong.

Except for the stuff about the Microsoft strategy doc.
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Well aware you(they) could be wrong but I'd take what you are saying as better information than something form a no name website or random gaffer whose name isn't being put behind it.

Doesn't mean I actually believe it, just that it's more believable.
 
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i-Lo

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aegies said:
I think you'll see info before E3 for everybody. But one quite a bit sooner than the other.
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So you can't give us hope or take it away. Seems more like it taking it away if the platform holder didn't resolve the crux of the complaints. Given you dwell on "alerts" or "issues" as a realist, my views have skewed towards a more negative outcome. This disheartens me.
 
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Pranay

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i-Lo said:
So you can't give us hope or take it away. Seems more like it taking it away if the platform holder didn't resolve the crux of the complaints. Given you dwell on "alerts" or "issues" as a realist, my views have skewed towards a more negative outcome. This disheartens me.
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2gb is very bad.

Ill rather see it as the old source where it was to be believed that the ram was 2 gb

ill go with the rumours we have now in the op
 
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SolidSnakex

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kazuma_pt said:
to me that seems to imply a ps4 launch in fall 2013.
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Which will likely be when the next Xbox launches. And that means that the hardware and games would already be compared to one another. The PS3 had its issues, but Sony could always point toward their exclusives to show what was possible with the system. No amount of technical wizardry on on the part Sony's dev teams would make up for a noticeable gap in an area like ram. So Sony would likely be getting punched in the mouth when exclusives and multiplatforms are compared.
 
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Dark_AnNiaLatOr

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It would be a huge holiday if the simultaneous launch actually happened. The hype at E3 would be the highest EVER. Servers would be permanently damaged lol.

edit: also, if anyone unveils their hardware early, it's Sony.
 
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aegies

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i-Lo said:
So you can't give us hope or take it away. Seems more like it taking it away if the platform holder didn't resolve the crux of the complaints. Given you dwell on "alerts" or "issues" as a realist, my views have skewed towards a more negative outcome. This disheartens me.
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There's stuff I just don't know, and stuff I've heard that could very easily be traced back to people who would be in a lot of trouble as a result. That limits what I'm willing to say. Also, the more specific I am, the more likely I'll be wrong. I'm not afraid to admit when I am, but I don't like being wrong.

Regarding responding to complaints from developers, it's not like Sony or MS want to say no. It's about dev time and cost, and finding a middle ground between the loss the platform holder can bare vs what the consumer can afford to pay. The difference I think comes down to who has engineers and tech guys who can maximize the pros and minimize the cons and make things cost effective and make it easy to develop for the system.

Anyway. Given some of the strangely low expectations for next gen, I don't think anybody's hopes should be crushed. 1313, Watch_dogs, and Agni's Philosophy wouldn't have been shown at this E3 if developers weren't reasonably certain they'd be able to do them. For Watch_dogs and 1313, those are games that exist. They're not tech demos. And particularly for Watch_dogs, Ubisoft wouldn't pour money into a game they could only release on high end PCs.
 
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Reiko

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aegies said:
There's stuff I just don't know, and stuff I've heard that could very easily be traced back to people who would be in a lot of trouble as a result. That limits what I'm willing to say. Also, the more specific I am, the more likely I'll be wrong. I'm not afraid to admit when I am, but I don't like being wrong.

Regarding responding to complaints from developers, it's not like Sony or MS want to say no. It's about dev time and cost, and finding a middle ground between the loss the platform holder can bare vs what the consumer can afford to pay. The difference I think comes down to who has engineers and tech guys who can maximize the pros and minimize the cons and make things cost effective and make it easy to develop for the system.

Anyway. Given some of the strangely low expectations for next gen, I don't think anybody's hopes should be crushed. 1313, Watch_dogs, and Agni's Philosophy wouldn't have been shown at this E3 if developers weren't reasonably certain they'd be able to do them. For Watch_dogs and 1313, those are games that exist. They're not tech demos. And particularly for Watch_dogs, Ubisoft wouldn't pour money into a game they could only release on high end PCs.
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That's why I'm keeping my expectations higher. Those games and Crysis 3 are in the upper echelon of something that just isn't possible on current gen without serious downgrades.
 
James Sawyer Ford

James Sawyer Ford

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aegies said:
There's stuff I just don't know, and stuff I've heard that could very easily be traced back to people who would be in a lot of trouble as a result. That limits what I'm willing to say. Also, the more specific I am, the more likely I'll be wrong. I'm not afraid to admit when I am, but I don't like being wrong.

Regarding responding to complaints from developers, it's not like Sony or MS want to say no. It's about dev time and cost, and finding a middle ground between the loss the platform holder can bare vs what the consumer can afford to pay. The difference I think comes down to who has engineers and tech guys who can maximize the pros and minimize the cons and make things cost effective and make it easy to develop for the system.

Anyway. Given some of the strangely low expectations for next gen, I don't think anybody's hopes should be crushed. 1313, Watch_dogs, and Agni's Philosophy wouldn't have been shown at this E3 if developers weren't reasonably certain they'd be able to do them. For Watch_dogs and 1313, those are games that exist. They're not tech demos. And particularly for Watch_dogs, Ubisoft wouldn't pour money into a game they could only release on high end PCs.
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How long ago did you last talk to your source?
 
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Kazuma Kiryu

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SolidSnakex said:
Which will likely be when the next Xbox launches. And that means that the hardware and games would already be compared to one another. The PS3 had its issues, but Sony could always point toward their exclusives to show what was possible with the system. No amount of technical wizardry on on the part Sony's dev teams would make up for a noticeable gap in an area like ram. So Sony would likely be getting punched in the mouth when exclusives and multiplatforms are compared.
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aegies says developers complained at gdc so that could have been in march or august, that's quite a few months ago. we've had a bunch of rumors meanwhile and this latest one suggests 8 to 16gb of ram (4 to 8 in the final console i guess), i think that's also a sign that either people don't know anything or that specs like the ram amount aren't final. wouldn't ram be "easier" to upgrade than the cpu and gpu? i believe the rumors also said sony was further ahead in manufacturing those two components.
there was a quote of a sony japan exec where he said that bandwidth would be very important next generation. what if sony has half the ram but double the bandwidth? i might be mistaken here, but sony consoles always had great amounts of bandwidth right? how are microsoft and sony gonna use that ram? there's a lot of stuff we still don't know.
i don't know, i'm more of a "wait and see" guy, i don't exactly believe in what i've heard this past year, i just like to read some stuff but i'll just wait for the final specs of both consoles to go "wtf sony, you dumbasses".
 
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Reiko

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kazuma_pt said:
aegies says developers complained at gdc so that could have been in march or august, that's quite a few months ago. we've had a bunch of rumors meanwhile and this latest one suggests 8 to 16gb of ram (4 to 8 in the final console i guess), i think that's also a sign that either people don't know anything or that specs like the ram amount aren't final. wouldn't ram be "easier" to upgrade than the cpu and gpu? i believe the rumors also said sony was further ahead in manufacturing those two components.
there was a quote of a sony japan exec where he said that bandwidth would be very important next generation. what if sony has half the ram but double the bandwidth? i might be mistaken here, but sony consoles always had great amounts of bandwidth right? how are microsoft and sony gonna use that ram? there's a lot of stuff we still don't know.
i don't know, i'm more of a "wait and see" guy, i don't exactly believe in what i've heard this past year, i just like to read some stuff but i'll just wait for the final specs of both consoles to go "wtf sony, you dumbasses".
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Only PS2 had the most bandwidth of the Sony consoles.
 
James Sawyer Ford

James Sawyer Ford

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I'm wondering what we can reasonably expect for the "launch window" (loosely defined as 6 months post launch):

Guerilla Games - Last game released in March 2011. Fall 2013 would be 2.5 years of dev time. Cutting it close for next-gen development.

Sucker Punch - Last game released in June 2011. Fall 2013 would be just over 2 years of dev time. Again, may be too close for launch.

Ready At Dawn - Last game released November 2010. Would be a full three years of dev time if launched in fall 2013.

Polyphony Digital - same as Ready At Dawn

Evolution Studios - last game was May 2011.

Insomniac games - busy with Fuse (which will bomb), but they could have multiple teams so who knows if they're still actively working with Sony. Probably nothing close to launch, which is a shame.

I feel Santa Monica/Naughty Dog/Media Molecule are probably not going to release anything until fall 2014 at the earliest.

REALISTICALLY, here's how I suspect it will break down:


Launch titles (assuming fall 2013):

Evolution Studios - They will have a racer for launch.

Guerilla Games - Will be under a lot of pressure to have a killer FPS that showcases the power for launch.

The Last Guardian - given how we've literally heard nothing about this title in years, I suspect it has moved on to next-gen development due to technical issues on the PS3.

"Launch window" titles (latest - summer 2014):

Sucker Punch will likely have a game for the summer, and this gives them an extra year of development for a next-gen title.

Ready At Dawn - I'm guessing August/September 2014 sounds like a nice time frame. Smaller studio, first console project (let alone next-gen project), will need some time in the oven, this gives them 3.5 years.

1 year post-launch titles:

Naughty Dog - Uncharted 4

Polyphony Digital - Gran Turismo 6

Media Molecule - who knows, but since they're gearing up for a new project I think this will require more time in the oven.
 
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mentok15

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If the PS4 has 4GB of RAM and the 720 has 8GB, how bad would this be for Sony? Would it pretty much rule out the PS4 getting the next ender scrolls/fallout?
 
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SolidSnakex

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I hope Evolution's first game isn't another Motorstorm. They need to let Ged Talbot develop a new IP. I say tHis mostly because I think he'd do something similar to PGR. :)
 
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Kazuma Kiryu

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Reiko said:
Only PS2 had the most bandwidth of the Sony consoles.
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neogaf really needs a wiki for this kind of stuff, i thought ps1 had more bandwidth than saturn and n64.
what's the ps360 situation also?
edit: nvm, just found out. guess only ps2 was the winner in that category.
 
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BoboBrazil

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So Microsoft will unveil the 720 at CES? That seems kind of crazy. Can't wait to see what both Microsoft and Sony have in store for next gen. Things are going to be so awesome next year. Hope PS4 holds backwards compatibility, but it might be hard due to the different chips.
 
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i-Lo

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aegies said:
There's stuff I just don't know, and stuff I've heard that could very easily be traced back to people who would be in a lot of trouble as a result. That limits what I'm willing to say. Also, the more specific I am, the more likely I'll be wrong. I'm not afraid to admit when I am, but I don't like being wrong.

Regarding responding to complaints from developers, it's not like Sony or MS want to say no. It's about dev time and cost, and finding a middle ground between the loss the platform holder can bare vs what the consumer can afford to pay. The difference I think comes down to who has engineers and tech guys who can maximize the pros and minimize the cons and make things cost effective and make it easy to develop for the system.

Anyway. Given some of the strangely low expectations for next gen, I don't think anybody's hopes should be crushed. 1313, Watch_dogs, and Agni's Philosophy wouldn't have been shown at this E3 if developers weren't reasonably certain they'd be able to do them. For Watch_dogs and 1313, those are games that exist. They're not tech demos. And particularly for Watch_dogs, Ubisoft wouldn't pour money into a game they could only release on high end PCs.
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Aegis, you should know that in times of news famine, people on this thread keep going back and forth between old and new rumours as well as scraps of news for multiple reinterpretations. However, there comes a time where even rumours become stale divulging nothing leading to endless speculations. So when there is a whiff of new information we tend to squeeze the sources harder than we should in the desire to satiate our hunger. In doing so we forget the golden rule: Never get greedy for we may suffer the same fate as the farmer with the golden goose.

Thus, you have our deepest appreciation. You are one of the more trusted sources. I like your injections of certainty and ambiguity in the news to draw a clear line. It's like invoking the Hold Harmless clause... heh.

I find it comforting to keep my expectations in check. As such, I'd be happy if by the end of the generation, we have games look at least as good as SW1313 or Watch Dogs with AA, AF, improved LoD system (if not wiped off completely through tessellation) and at steady 30fps.
 
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Reiko

Banned
i-Lo said:
Aegis, you should know that in times of news famine, people on this thread keep going back and forth between old and new rumours as well as scraps of news for multiple reinterpretations. However, there comes a time where even rumours become stale divulging nothing leading to endless speculations. So when there is a whiff of new information we tend to squeeze the sources harder than we should in the desire to satiate our hunger. In doing so we forget the golden rule: Never get greedy for we may suffer the same fate as the farmer with the golden goose.

Thus, you have our deepest appreciation. You are one of the more trusted sources. I like your injections of certainty and ambiguity in the news to draw a clear line. It's like invoking the Hold Harmless clause... heh.

I find it comforting to keep my expectations in check. As such, I'd be happy if by the end of the generation, we have games look at least as good as SW1313 or Watch Dogs with AA, AF, improved LoD system (if not wiped off completely through tessellation) and at steady 30fps.
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I'm going to say this now. Those 2 are entry level.

Think Gears of War 1 and the very first Uncharted.
 
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Pistolero

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Forgive me for this intrusion that gives the same vibe a girl stepping in in the middle of some dudes' fight generally sends, but is it really that essential the PS4 ends up as powerfull as the next Xbox?
Sony can not compete with Microsoft cost wise, nor should they attemp to, imo. They need to find a good balance between performance, affordability and ease of use, a thing they've been oblivious too since the PS one (I'm putting Vita aside and limitin myself to home consoles space); their architectures have been roughly conceived, namely CPU centric, instead of them concentrating on offering a well rounded up machine...
 
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pieatorium

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Pistolero said:
Forgive me for this intrusion that gives the same vibe a girl stepping in in the middle of some dudes' fight generally sends, but is it really that essential the PS4 ends up as powerfull as the next Xbox?
Sony can not compete with Microsoft cost wise, nor should they attemp to, imo. They need to find a good balance between performance, affordability and ease of use, a thing they've been oblivious too since the PS one (I'm putting Vita aside and limitin myself to home consoles space); their architectures have been roughly conceived, namely CPU centric, instead of them concentrating on offering a well rounded up machine...
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I think it's more essential for them to be as far from the WiiU as they can afford rather than as close to the 720
 
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Gorillaz

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Pistolero said:
Forgive me for this intrusion that gives the same vibe a girl stepping in in the middle of some dudes' fight generally sends, but is it really that essential the PS4 ends up as powerfull as the next Xbox?
Sony can not compete with Microsoft cost wise, nor should they attemp to, imo. They need to find a good balance between performance, affordability and ease of use, a thing they've been oblivious too since the PS one (I'm putting Vita aside and limitin myself to home consoles space); their architectures have been roughly conceived, namely CPU centric, instead of them concentrating on offering a well rounded up machine...
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It needs to be in the same general area as next box. They already are the underdogs in the west and the last thing they need to do is lose in the hardware power area. Especially given they are known for having top hardware. It would look bad losing the fight in your own backyard.

At the same time they need to have tech for the average person, could afford. Personally I feel 399 is the highest either one of them should go and 1 should atleast be 300.
 
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aegies

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BoboBrazil said:
So Microsoft will unveil the 720 at CES? That seems kind of crazy. Can't wait to see what both Microsoft and Sony have in store for next gen. Things are going to be so awesome next year. Hope PS4 holds backwards compatibility, but it might be hard due to the different chips.
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I am almost a hundred percent certain we won't see any console stuff come out of CES, save for possible some Wii U stuff.
 
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BoboBrazil

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aegies said:
I am almost a hundred percent certain we won't see any console stuff come out of CES, save for possible some Wii U stuff.
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Well, I'd expect to Microsoft to do an Apple style event for it then maybe around February or March. This is all of course, if what you are saying is accurate and we be hearing something soon on one of the consoles and they don't wait until e3.
 
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Averon

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I could see Sony doing a PS Meeting for the PS4 in February or even March. MS can easily make a press conference outlining the 720 shortly and Gears of War: Judgement's release. I always thought either MS or Sony would reveal their next-gen machine before the other, prior to E3. Why compete for media attention at E3 when you can control the message more thoroughly by doing a press conference yourself?
 
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bigtroyjon

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Pistolero said:
Forgive me for this intrusion that gives the same vibe a girl stepping in in the middle of some dudes' fight generally sends, but is it really that essential the PS4 ends up as powerfull as the next Xbox?
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For Sony the company, it's not essential if it comes at the expense of making a profit. And really, it's not even essential that they outsell the 720 if they are making money. Think Sony's efforts in the mobile industry right now, they don't need to topple Samsung as long as they have a healthy business of their own.

Of course for the fans of Sony it's probably essential to many of them that Sony isn't a step behind. Same with Xbox fans and as we've seen with all the meltdowns over the last month, same with Nintendo fans.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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BoboBrazil said:
Well, I'd expect to Microsoft to do an Apple style event for it then maybe around February or March. This is all of course, if what you are saying is accurate and we be hearing something soon on one of the consoles and they don't wait until e3.
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both definitely aren't gonna wait till E3. Expect both to have conferences before hand. That's just how things are done these days. Maximum attention for yourself rather than being lost in the shuffle. Use conference to announce it, use E3 to sell the product.
 
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George Claw M.D.

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BoboBrazil said:
So Microsoft will unveil the 720 at CES? That seems kind of crazy. Can't wait to see what both Microsoft and Sony have in store for next gen. Things are going to be so awesome next year. Hope PS4 holds backwards compatibility, but it might be hard due to the different chips.
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Microsoft aren't even going to be at the next CES. They officially said 2012 would be their last time attending CES, and didn't mention if they would ever return in the future. One of the reasons Ballmer stated was that CES simply didn't align with their design cycles to make any announcements there.
 
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SlickShoesRUCrazy

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George Claw M.D. said:
Microsoft aren't even going to be at the next CES. They officially said 2012 would be their last time attending CES, and didn't mention if they would ever return in the future. One of the reasons Ballmer stated was that CES simply didn't align with their design cycles to make any announcements there.
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they may not be at CES, but that doesn't mean they won't be in vegas.

A lot of tech companies hold public/private events independently during CES in hotels and what not.

Hell, if I am not mistaken, there were rumors that microsoft did in fact hold a private event last CES and showed their next gen plans off to developers.
 
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George Claw M.D.

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SlickShoesRUCrazy said:
they may not be at CES, but that doesn't mean they won't be in vegas.

A lot of tech companies hold public/private events independently during CES in hotels and what not.

Hell, if I am not mistaken, there were rumors that microsoft did in fact hold a private event last CES and showed their next gen plans off to developers.
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Well they still held their last keynote at CES this past year, and showed off Metro, so they already had a significant presence at last CES. If they're not going to have a public presence this coming January, I don't see why they'd waste their time with a private event that would compete with CES.
 
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SolidSnakex

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Reiko said:
In alpha heavy games 360 usually wins and performs better.



Unless you just ignored the recent port of Zone of Enders 2...
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To be fair, neither version of that game ran particularly well. They both hovered in the 30's on average while the PS2 version is in the 50's.
 
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Reiko

Banned
SolidSnakex said:
To be fair, neither version of that game ran particularly well. They both hovered in the 30's on average while the PS2 version is in the 50's.
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PS2 was really a beast in that department.

I have to say though, the PS3 handled the Tanker Mission from MGS2 well.
 
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