VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)

grumble said:
Not really. Having the disc in the console but not using it to play the game in a major sense is an option.
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Forcing you to keep the disc in the console to play the game may be an option, but it doesn't seem like a likely option when considering MS's overall strategy.
 
The question we should ask ourselves as core gamers, you know, the skeleton upon which this glorious digital future was constructed, is do we want our games as a product or as a service?

Should our games be a thing, a product. Something to be owned or possessed. Tangible, with few restrictions.

Or should it flow to us like television or lines of communication, always connected, always verified. Fast, efficient, convenient and effortless. Controlled.

I suspect we just want to play games no matter the choice.
 
To the people who claim that everyone is overreacting:

Tom Warren at the Verge said:
Last month we heard rumors of an anti-used game system for Microsoft's next-generation 'Durango' Xbox console, but an additional leak this week appears to reinforce those claims. Vgleaks, previously responsible for revealing accurate specifications for Durango, has provided screenshots of an Xbox Development Kit (XDK) for Microsoft's next-generation console. We've seen screenshots leak before, but these appear to confirm a number of previous rumors.
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/20/4126632/next-xbox-always-connected-game-install-required-rumor

Warren is pretty well connected to Microsoft. His reporting is also very level-headed and even. He is interpreting this the same way as the doomsayers.
 
New hardware. When we manage to make it work it will be amazing.
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https://twitter.com/tequilaworks
 
Plinko said:
This is not necessarily true.
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How do you figure? They went out of their way to make it known that Kinect and Instals are mandatory. So why wouldn't they do the same with "always online" by saying it was required? Aren't docs like this supposed to be meant for Devs/publishers?
 
abadguy said:
How do you figure? They went out of their way to make it known that Kinect and Instals are mandatory. So why wouldn't they do the same with "always online" by saying it was required? Aren't docs like this supposed to be meant for Devs/publishers?
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Could be on another page.
 
abadguy said:
How do you figure? They went out of their way to make it known that Kinect and Instals are mandatory. So why wouldn't they do the same with "always online" by saying it was required? Aren't docs like this supposed to be meant for Devs/publishers?
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It has already been explained several times in the posts above.
 
lherre said:
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https://twitter.com/tequilaworks
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They worked a game called Deadlight in 2012 too...

In an apocalyptic world where existence is futile, a solitary man treks the American west coast. The year is 1986 and a mysterious disease has decimated mankind, transforming people into killer automatons. Survival is the measure of all in this original cinematic puzzle platformer. Deadlight is the frightening odyssey of an ordinary man fighting extinction like a flame in the desert. Hopeless and unable to escape the horrors of a dying world, Randall Wayne will reveal himself as a natural born survivor.

Deadlight will arrive to XBOX LIVE on August 1st (2012) as part of the Summer of Arcade
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Very interesting.
 
Aquamarine said:
It's definitely a logical conclusion, given Microsoft's vision for a cloud-centric, "all-in-one" experience.
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That's the same kind of leap in logic than "always online" = "online required".

All it means is that installs are mandatory, but it could very well be that you need to leave the disc in for identification purposes.
 
This is sounding worse and worse by the day. The final nail in the coffin for me will be when they finally announce the specs that will be much lower than the ps4 ones.
 
BigMack said:
Since this is (supposedly) coming from dev kits for developers, if there was some sort of required online connection for games to work or no used games "feature", wouldn't MS make that clear to game creators?
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I don't see why. MS sells the license, this is just a change to the license agreement. It would be transparent to the developer and publisher, who would hopefully get a cut of the new revenue.
 
FuturusX said:
It's my feeling, just a feeling, that you'll need an online connection to validate initial installs.

Game discs will ship with with a code that you'll have to tie to the machine against Xbox LIVE servers. Subsequent play will not need to be online, but to actually install the game and use it, a one time online validation is required.

That could be the extent of the "required online" to play games.
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That's how Steam works. You only need to go online when you first install the game to validate. From then on, you can play offline if you wish to.
 
lherre said:
Yes they are based in Madrid and theay have an exclusive deal with MS with deadlight.
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I wonder if their relationship with Microsoft extends BEYOND Deadlight? Regarding Tequila Works's future project... their website says:

http://www.tequilaworks.com/eng/jobs-for-you

Do you want to work on different tasteful games? Tequila Works in partnership with a MAJOR PUBLISHER is looking for a sharp eye and a deft hand. Teamwork, innovation, attention-to-detail and unbridled passion are characteristics we look for in all of our artists. If you feel you have what it takes, throw your hat in the ring!
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I'm assuming that "major publisher" here means Microsoft.
 
i-Lo said:
Looks cute (for some reason). I wouldn't mind if either next gen console looked something like that (albeit, smaller).

And how come they get to show off XB3 dev kit w/o breaking any NDAs?
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It's just a Mini-ITX PC case... You can buy that exact one on Newegg to build a media center PC or compact gaming PC. :p
 
i-Lo said:
Looks cute (for some reason). I wouldn't mind if either next gen console looked something like that (albeit, smaller).

And how come they get to show off XB3 dev kit w/o breaking any NDAs?
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why do you think it's an XB3 dev kit?

well lherre did post it in a Durango thread...
 
upJTboogie said:
I do love specificity.
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Except in this case you're saying it's not needed. Mandatory Kinect was specifically stated, when online was mentioned it doesn't say mandatory. So you have to assume, until we have something more specific than an Edge rumour, that it's not mandatory to be online for the console to function.

Let's no forget Edge also republished Kotaku's report that the PS4 wouldn't allow used games.
 
StudioTan said:
Except in this case you're saying it's not needed. Mandatory Kinect was specifically stated, when online was mentioned it doesn't say mandatory. So you have to assume, until we have something more specific than an Edge rumour, that it's not mandatory to be online for the console to function.

Let's no forget Edge also republished Kotaku's report that the PS4 wouldn't allow used games.
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whaaat? Edge said that PS4 wouldn't play used games?

i-Lo said:
It has been posted here, on XB3 related VGleaks thread, by lherre. Natural assumption.
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yeah I had already edited my post. Thanks though.
 
StudioTan said:
Except in this case you're saying it's not needed. Mandatory Kinect was specifically stated, when online was mentioned it doesn't say mandatory. So you have to assume, until we have something more specific than an Edge rumour, that it's not mandatory to be online for the console to function.

Let's no forget Edge also republished Kotaku's report that the PS4 wouldn't allow used games.
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I am saying it's needed, both times. In this case something explicit saying that online isn't required, usable offline, something better 'than they didn't mention it so EDGE's rumors are false', they could have said it online is required on another page for all we know.

I guess thanks for highlighting my consistency with thirst for specificity.
 
upJTboogie said:
I am saying it's needed, both times. In this case something explicit saying that online isn't required, usable offline, something better 'than they didn't mention it so EDGE's rumors are false', they could have said it online is required on another page for all we know.

I guess thanks for highlighting my consistency and thirst for specificity.
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I kind of feel you but on the other hand I don't. That's like saying that it makes coffee because it doesn't say it doesn't make coffee. I understand you're holding on to the Edge rumor and that's fine but the way everything else in the XDK was worded you'd have to question why that wasn't stated explicitly. Or like you said it could be on another page of the XDK, hell I don't know. I don't have a horse in this race, just trying to get a feeling for why some are so adamant that this is true despite the doc not mentioning it.
 
jaypah said:
I kind of feel you but on the other hand I don't. That's like saying that it makes coffee because it doesn't say it doesn't make coffee. I understand you're holding on to the Edge rumor and that's fine but the way everything else in the XDK was worded you'd have to question why that wasn't stated explicitly. Or like you said it could be on another page of the XDK, hell I don't know. I don't have a horse in this race, just trying to get a feeling for why some are so adamant that this is true despite the doc not mentioning it.
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Well that's the thing, we don't know if the doc mentions it, and we don't see anything else that might suggest edge is wrong.

edge quoted the article today saying it was confirming what they reported, nothing about them being wrong with past articles.
 
shandy706 said:
"circulated to developers working with the console last year." - Edge

What I thought.
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Last year was less than four months ago. The Visual Studio the leak is from was released Sept 2012. The age of the info is fairly restricted.
 
Have u guys read this :


N2O N2O @DJoe1899 9h

@superDaE What do you think about the new vgleaks 720 rumor?Since you said edge always online/anti used games are not true.



Dan Dan@superDaE

@DJoe1899 who do you think gave vgleaks all their documents? They're just asking to get sued, too bad the guy is in Europe. old docs & files
 
StudioTan said:
Except in this case you're saying it's not needed. Mandatory Kinect was specifically stated, when online was mentioned it doesn't say mandatory. So you have to assume, until we have something more specific than an Edge rumour, that it's not mandatory to be online for the console to function.

Let's no forget Edge also republished Kotaku's report that the PS4 wouldn't allow used games.
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Did they? I never saw this.
 
AgentP said:
Last year was less than four months ago. The Visual Studio the leak is from was released Sept 2012. The age of the info is fairly restricted.
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It's still old news...ancient in the gaming world. Half A Year is a lot of time to pass. Developer kits were/are nothing but PCs during the existence of this document.




I'm sure it's somewhat accurate now and certainly 6 Months ago. The stupidity here is incredible though.

The internet will not be needed just to play games. (common sense)

The Kinect coming with and having to be Kinected(heheh) is not a big deal. (seriously, just set it out of the way or cover the camera)

Installing all games is excellent, and needed. Especially if you can play right away or soon after beginning the install. (I install all my games on my systems that allow it)

I'm failing to see the negative in any of this as a multi-console gamer. I'm use to having no used games on Steam, I don't get to sell them, I have to be "connected" to update them, etc.

Love the doom and gloom from the expected parties though.
 
BlastProcessing said:
We only have the XDA hardware overview page right? Just because something isn't mentioned in the first page of a hardware overview dosen't mean it's not in the documentation .
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This is beyond ridiculous. Everything else is mentioned on the first page, the fact that mandatory online isn't mentioned strongly suggests that the claim by EDGE simply isn't true.

If it had been mentioned anywhere in the documentation, you can be sure that VGleaks would highlight such a requirement. The reasoning that it might be mentioned just not on the first page is just bizarre.
 
fillup said:
It's very clear in the document what always connected means. It's not for DRM. It's to keep the system up to date.

"The console will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current."
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And Sim City is too complex for calculations on your computer, they have to be done in the Cloud. It's not about DRM.

BlastProcessing said:
There are more links in my post than just the Edge article. A lot has happened since 2005.

As for assumptions, There is nothing in this XDK document about used games. So, either someone at Edge has made a colossal mistake or they have another source.
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They even doubled-down on the first article with a second one.

EDGE: Risky business: the next XBOX versus PlayStation 4
 
StudioTan said:
Except in this case you're saying it's not needed. Mandatory Kinect was specifically stated, when online was mentioned it doesn't say mandatory. So you have to assume, until we have something more specific than an Edge rumour, that it's not mandatory to be online for the console to function.

Let's no forget Edge also republished Kotaku's report that the PS4 wouldn't allow used games.
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And Yoshida went on record to say PS4 will play used games.
 
After reading the SDK it's becoming clear that the system will be "capable" of being always on and always online, which is an added perk, being able to remotely command your system with your phone etc... to download games, movies etc... from work and have it ready as soon as your get home.

There is nothing there that says you have to be always online to play games. Just because it is "capable" for added perks does not mean it's "mandatory" to play games.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
This is beyond ridiculous. Everything else is mentioned on the first page, the fact that mandatory online isn't mentioned strongly suggests that the claim by EDGE simply isn't true.

If it had been mentioned anywhere in the documentation, you can be sure that VGleaks would highlight such a requirement. The reasoning that it might be mentioned just not on the first page is just bizarre.
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If everything is mentioned on the first page, why, exactly, are there other pages? Documents like this are written by committee and go through many drafts. The summary page isn't necessarily comprehensive. VGleaks has been releasing Durango information in drips and drops to maximize page views for months now. It is reasonable that they are holding things back, presumably their last dump will be right before the first Microsoft Xbox event.

Also we should both recognize the fact that there are people in this thread calling into question the validity of these documents. They do seem a little suspicious. The tone is oddly marketingish and they only mention things that are already rumored.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
This is beyond ridiculous. Everything else is mentioned on the first page, the fact that mandatory online isn't mentioned strongly suggests that the claim by EDGE simply isn't true.

If it had been mentioned anywhere in the documentation, you can be sure that VGleaks would highlight such a requirement. The reasoning that it might be mentioned just not on the first page is just bizarre.
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It doesn't say there isn't mandatory online either. You are speculating just as much as anyone saying there is mandatory online.
 
The Matrix? Really? I always thought Microsoft was always pretty good at theming their products but the Matrix Font? That is soooooo, I don't know, old?



I am sure it will be changed before launch but I would assume that developers got a big chuckle out of that. It just lacks any originality. I mean, people had Matrix Wallpapers, ring tones, and fonts on their computers like 10 years go.
 
BlastProcessing said:
If everything is mentioned on the first page, why, exactly, are there other pages? Documents like this are written by committee and go through many drafts. The summary page isn't necessarily comprehensive. VGleaks has been releasing Durango information in drips and drops to maximize page views for months now. It is reasonable that they are holding things back, presumably their last dump will be right before the first Microsoft Xbox event.

Also we should both recognize the fact that there are people in this thread calling into question the validity of these documents. They do seem a little suspicious. The tone is oddly marketingish and they only mention things that are already rumored.
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Holding back that one piece of information won't bring them more hits. Now was the time to release such information, they didn't because in all likelihood it doesn't exist.

Who is bringing the validity of the documents into question? Interesting observation, if they are based on rumours only, why no mention of mandatory online? Perhaps its on another page?!

What?!
 
upJTboogie said:
I am saying it's needed, both times. In this case something explicit saying that online isn't required, usable offline, something better 'than they didn't mention it so EDGE's rumors are false', they could have said it online is required on another page for all we know.

I guess thanks for highlighting my consistency with thirst for specificity.
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Um, no, when the quote about the PS4 and used games came out, they didn't specifically say that it would play all used games without any caveats such as requiring authorizations for used games. In fact, they were very careful with their words. Here is the quote:

"Aaaah," was Yoshida's initial answer, but seemingly only because he'd forgotten his line. "So what was our official answer to our internal question?" he asked his Japanese PR advisor. The advisor stepped in but didn't seem to answer clearly, at least to my ears. Yoshida then took control again firmly:

"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"
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That's not exactly specific, it's kinda vague and I would assume a guy like you who apparently LOVES specifics you'd have wanted more of an answer. So, no, you're not being consistent at all in your need for specifics.
 
MaulerX said:
After reading the SDK it's becoming clear that the system will be "capable" of being always on and always online, which is an added perk, being able to remotely command your system with your phone etc... to download games, movies etc... from work and have it ready as soon as your get home.

There is nothing there that says you have to be always online to play games. Just because it is "capable" for added perks does not mean it's "mandatory" to play games.
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yes many of us have been saying that for pages and pages but we can not be heard over the rabble rabble rablle.
 
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