Well like I said at the bottom, I could literally list dozens and dozens of these games. I just had to stop out of practicality. I haven't played Animal Well yet but I hear good things.Wasn't this meant to be a thread proving games are good
Could've at least put actual good indie games like animal well
I know right. Makes the entire argument sus.
It's AA, but it's a great action game once it gets going, and probably the most high profile game I've seen from New Zealand. Not my job to coddle a bunch of people who never even played it.
I loved Nobody Saves The World, had a great weekend playing that when it first came out. Drinkbox did a great job with Guacamelee too...actually all of their games have been very good imo (I didn't play severed).
9 times out of 10 it usually comes down to laziness, and some of it comes down to jadedness or other factors of personal life.
Oh, I didn't realize they are the same team that made Guacamelee. I might have to try that out. That's the metroidvania one, yeah?
Ironically, I think he actually played Jusant and Cocoon and loved both of them. Oh well. Some of the responses here just make me even more happy that I made this thread. I think this sentiment is often just orthodoxy at this point, and people repeat it without even thinking. My favorite thing to challenge.'
For the record, I'm with Loomy on this one.
If you want to play Triple A exclusively and argue about which version is best in the Digital Foundry YT comments, you do you.
WRONG! The east just prefers to call their works Doujin rather than indie. Check our Playisms catalog and you will see tons of JP indies
Yeah, I apparently need to familiarize myself with this more.
Either way whichever part of the globe you come from, indie is good
100%. This is a big point I agree with. It really can't be said enough that people should go play more games.
Well this is all great. I plicked up Cygni and plan on picking up Flintlock and Dungeons of Hinterburg. I also picked up Steamworld Heist 2 (Sweden) and Cat Quest 3 (Singapore). But with the poor state of AAA publishers and wanting AAAA games and GAAS.....with rising costs, bigger scope and longer development time, it's going to be these types of games which will dominate the videogame space now and going forward. With some big AAAA sequels and more of the same crap sprinkled in.I see this sentiment a lot on here, and to some extent it's obvious why. If you mostly follow the big tentpole releases from major publishers, I could see how you could convince yourself this is the truth. But as someone who mostly has preferred Japanese games for the vast majority of my playtime for decades, I feel compelled to stand up for western gaming now more than ever. It's just inaccurate to try and pretend that there's no good western games, no gameplay diversity, no new IP. In reality, there's honestly more creativity coming from the west currently than anytime I can recall.
If you're an developer of middling talent, you can go work for a big publisher and take yoga classes and take 4 weeks to do a programming task that takes normal people 45 minutes. But if you're an actually talented developer, you likely have set out to make your own indie studio because here you can actually put out new IP and make whatever you want.
Japan barely has an indie scene. It's 99% western teams making these games. And while Japanese games are great, it's not like they are making new IP non-stop either right now. I can't help but feel like people are just sticking their heads in the sand and completely mischaracterizing what is happening right now. SQEX cranks out remakes and the same IP. Capcom cranks out remakes and the same IP. From Software is working on Demon's Souls 11.
When someone writes that "western games suck," I think that literally all they see is stuff like Concord, Saints Row, I don't even know what else. In reality, this is what western gaming looks like right now. You're getting more genre diversity than anywhere, more new IP, more varied art styles than ever before.
Dungeons of Hinterberg (Austria)
CYGNI (Scotland)
Flintlock (New Zealand)
Solar Ash (US)
Cookie Cutter (England)
Demon School (US)
Jusant (France)
I could literally keep going and list hundreds of these. Lamplighters League, Worldless, Laika, Still Wakes the Deep, Prince of Persia, Pentiment, Citizen Sleeper, Immortality, Sea of Stars, Cocoon and on and on and on. This is probably the best time to be into western games literally ever.
I think it has both names depending on the region.
Atomic Heart (Russia)
To paraphrase the other thread on how a lot of people ignore these:
Basically they're dismissed before even looking at them because they're not big-name or big-budget (or both).The other thread said:
A few more:
100% this, for my taste Japanese devs make games I enjoy more than western devs do....simple as that.
I think the issue with RTSs is that the old collection is already so vast with so much players and community content behind them that it's extremely hard to make something to surpass them today. And the way these games can be just played for as long as you want means fans will just keep playing what they know.
Pretty much. Especially American AAA aside from Rockstar. They are just chugging out soulless, rehashed asset games with different texture over and over for that quarterly board meeting.
That might be true. I mean, Microsoft are handling the Age of Empires/Mythology IPs fairly well, imho. Tempest Rising looks interesting (to me). Homeworld 3 was a fucking disappointment...
I'd say that killed competitive games in general. Major competitive games today just aren't fun to play. The best stuff usually belongs to smaller nicher communities.
All day, everyday.
A genre sustained by the fans.
The anti western argument may improve, but I don't think that will stop people caring about Japanese games.
