Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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TheNatural
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Pay for them how? They don't give a fuck as long as they make money. Which they've done greatly every year except this past one.
NinjaTehFish
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If by sinned you mean by trying to have some actual quality control (via license fees)
actual piracy avoidance via media format and a real attempt to give studios an alternative to company crushing development costs on the "HD" twins then yeah.
Im an ass i know and all my points are shaky at best
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It doesn't really matter, you can't cater completely to others whose vision isn't yours.
What more could they do this time around???
Seemingly they have a console that can run modern day engines, they are going out of their way to provide free middleware(unheard of it seems for a console company), they are listening to third parties about what specs they'd like, etc...
Nintendo can't make the games for them.
Of course online could be better but there always seems to be third party excuses.
They should just admit they are afraid they won't sell on the console and leave it at that.
I'm sorry, is 10% better really that much to ask for a console not only years in the making, but the debut of the 8th generation as well? I see your reasoning, but my lord. I was mostly arguing from an "on-par" perspective anyways, I guess I shouldn't have faith in Nintendo to throw a few extras in for my money.
And modest accolades for a service that had literally nowhere to go but up isn't any less vague of a point.
GameplayWhore
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If by sinned you mean by trying to have some actual quality control (via license fees)
actual piracy avoidance via media format and a real attempt to give studios an alternative to company crushing development costs on the "HD" twins then yeah.
Im an ass i know and all my points are shaky at best
Tom was talking about stuff Nintendo did from ~1984 to ~1996. They forced companies to sign agreements to not make titles for any competing consoles.
I only wish.
They have to jump through hoops that the others don't have to.
No.. No 3D Mario?
Don't worry. We might not see it at E3 but it will come.
NinjaTehFish
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You should know better than to argue with someone who has no idea what they are talking about
I keed, i was actually referring to them from the 64 days onwards and in that context, like i said, shaky shaky
Would you be willing to pay an annual fee of at least $70 for that? Because that's what would need to happen for a company like Nintendo to be able to invest as much as Microsoft. It's not reasonable to expect them to advance 15 years in the online area in one fell swoop for free.
StreetsAhead
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No, I hear Nintendo has given up on 3D Mario games. Forever.
NinjaTehFish
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Dont argue with BP:
No.. No 3D Mario?
Maybe they'll announce the 2D Mario as a launch title and show a 3D Mario trailer. There's always hope!
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I brought that up earlier today, might be too much Mario at the show though.
It's possible.
That's my current theory. It changes from day to day, sometimes hour to hour. I never know with this company.
StreetsAhead
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Tell me it ain't so.
Yes. I was joking. Sometimes I do that. You're probably think it's because I'm impotent, but really, I just want to be part of the group.
If they're smart they'll have *something* ready for all major franchises.
I was being sarcastic lol
Looks like you might be right after all HylianTom. I'll eat all the crow.
StreetsAhead
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You're sad face emoticon confused me.
I'd actually like to know why the costs would be passed to the consumer, as I was under the impression that XBL subscriptions were arbitrary. Does it actually cost MS that much to justify the fee? I can't really argue if so, then.
Yeah, like E3 2009.
He meant 110% as good, so 10% better. He didn't communicate that well at all.
You said 110% better, so that's more than twice as good.
/mediation
I agree with Cabbie that they need to go the extra mile to cater to devs, though. Just because a platform is available and viable doesn't mean devs are morally obligated to use it. Yes, big businesses are about money, but that doesn't mean bad blood doesn't exist. If another company extorted your company out of lots of money, it doesn't matter if they've reformed a decade later, you'd rather just work with someone else.
This is more true with independent devs, who have very small studios. They're less corporation, more human, and if working with someone sucks, they can choose not to work with those people, even after a supposed reformation. That company has lost their trust, and they don't get it back by being on par. They get it back by reaching out, and SHOWING devs that they've reformed with effort.
Furthermore, assuming indie devs are money-making robots (which they're not), a viable, easy-to-use platform that would score them profit doesn't automatically mean it's worth developing for. Say porting the game would take 2 months and cost $10,000, and they calculate that they would make $20,000. Meanwhile, they could spend those 2 months on a new project for Xbox live, and they project those 2 months would be worth $50,000. Obviously, even though porting the first project to Wii U would be profitable, it would also be irrational, because the opportunity cost would be too great. Profit isn't everything to money-making robots; the MOST profit for your time and effort is everything.
And if they don't? That's the worry MS and Sony face... they haven't seen Nintendo's "A game" yet. If they release alpha work and bullshots and then Nintendo shows a game that's just STUNNING, the press would chew them both up and actually REVERSE the dialog about power, even for a moment. And that's not something either of them can afford at the industry's largest press event.
Wow, he sure seems butthurt.
I've gone my whole life making that mistake, as I visualize 110% as a test score.
Looks like you might be right after all HylianTom. I'll eat all the crow.
Ehh.. I have crow recipes I could share. Nayru knows I've chowed enough..
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Miyamoto stole his girl, rocked his world...
Hm what's his history with Nintendo?
I like to try things at least once. Hope it tastes good
IIRC, didn't they have NSMB Wii and a Mario Galaxy 2 trailer at E3 2009.
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Yeah, I knew it. So it is a possibility!
shadyspace
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The gaming media will do that for them without them having to reveal any a single piece of next-gen tech. "The Last of Us/Halo 4 looks better than ANYTHING Nintendo showed at their press conference." That sentence will be said.
Though there is also the NSMB 3D they still have to show, so we'll see. I really hope we get a glimpse of the next 3D Mario just to see what they do with it.
and because it would look fantastic
They didn't confirm it to be NSMB, did they? I thought it was just a new 2D Mario title.
GameplayWhore
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Hm what's his history with Nintendo?
I like to try things at least once. Hope it tastes good
Made a game for WiiWare and was apparently really turned off by Nintendo's policies or attitudes or something.
I mean, unless he's just traumatized at being forced into making a Sonic game.
TheNatural
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I'd argue jumping through hoops is what exactly it takes to get third parties really. They have to dedicate the money on building a console that is the same as the other companies to get the same third party games, and that's a hell of an investment.
Then you're just splitting the attention three ways, and that doesn't even guarantee a third of the pie, especially when you're competing on someone elses turf trying to match what other companies do with relation to third parties (like Microsoft's Live and other shit.)
The fate was sealed when Gamecube basically bombed horrifically in the US compared to PS2, and even lower than XBox when it was a more than capable graphical system. Granted it had its flaws with the controller button layout, and disc format, but it had major remakes of third party games like Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid and was a cheap system and no one gave a fuck. Along with the supposed "Capcom 5". Final Fantasy franchise returning, among other attempts, and it didn't matter.
Blame the people who didn't buy Gamecube if you don't like the current direction, because that direction sold like shit and the direction of not giving a fuck about keeping the power of a system up to par with third party games, and going in a wild direction sold like crazy.
I think they'll do what they can to get third parties within the framework of the wild direction they have, but they're not going to jump through hoops to do it, because they attempted it with Gamecube, no one gave a flat fuck about buying it anyway, so they said "fuck you" and moved on and made a shitload of money.
Fantastical
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I would imagine so. Conference brought a lot of type, the trailers featuring multiple games were incredible for both Wii and DS.
2010 maybe? Remember they had Metroid: OM, DKCR, KEY, Zelda: SS, Kid Icarus, Nitendogs + Cats, Pilotwings Resort, Zelda: OOT 3D, Starfox 64 3D, Steel Diver, Wii Party, Mario Kart 7, Paper Mario 3D, Animal Crossing 3D, probably other stuff I'm forgetting.
So just one title on a service that he knew was limiting?
I'm hoping for something similar with the Wii U. They showed Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 at that conference, which was all I really needed to see.
Man 2010 was amazing. Never felt so good about the output like I did that year.
Agent Unknown
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Meeeeeooooowwwrrrr. Seriously though, as others said it's probably regarding MDK and is a legitimate complaint regarding Nintendo's rediculously rigid Wii Ware limits and payout rules. I wish he'd have been a little more specific though, if you're gonna be blunt and honest then at least let us in on a few details. That reminds me, I remember several years ago my brother saying he read that the devs behind Alien Hominid and Castle Crashes wanted to put one of their projects on Wii Ware but skipped for the same reasons.
I don't think so, but I have a hard time seeing it be something else.
He seems butthurt over something else. I mean shouldn't he have known that the WiiWare was pretty limiting beforehand? If Nintendo has changed (we'll see at E3) then why avoid them this generation?
I'm hoping it's something else. Would like to see a new art style for a change.
GameplayWhore
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We have no idea what specifically happened in their dealings, and it's unfair to just assume they were being whiny about the file size limits.
I'm definitely not sticking up for this guy, he's clearly got his mind set in a pretty shitty way.
I agree. I totally understand that it might actually be something else. What other complaints of devs made regarding WiiWare other than file size limitations?
True, but maybe something happened behind the scenes that we don't know about. I would love someone to tweet and ask him
Who knows, maybe Good Feel is making a Mario game.
To be honest though I'm still not sure I buy the whole thing about the Wii U Mario being based on the demo, seeing as that was just something a pr guy said, not Miyamoto.
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