How I imagine it will work is while there will be one store, previous WP only apps will only appear for phone/ARM tablet users, previous W8 desktop modern apps will only show up in the store for desktop/x86 users, and universal apps will show up in the store for all devices.
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Windows Phone 8.1 |OT| Update 1
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How I imagine it will work is while there will be one store, previous WP only apps will only appear for phone/ARM tablet users, previous W8 desktop modern apps will only show up in the store for desktop/x86 users, and universal apps will show up in the store for all devices.
brotkasten
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Windows RT got Windows Phone 7'd.
In a statement provided to The Verge, Microsoft confirms the Surface Pro 3 and "entire Surface Pro lineup" will get the update to Windows 10, but Windows RT won't get the full OS. "We are working on an update for Surface, which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10. More information to come," says a Microsoft spokesperson. This means tablets like the Surface RT and Surface 2 won't get Windows 10.
In a statement provided to The Verge, Microsoft confirms the Surface Pro 3 and "entire Surface Pro lineup" will get the update to Windows 10, but Windows RT won't get the full OS. "We are working on an update for Surface, which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10. More information to come," says a Microsoft spokesperson. This means tablets like the Surface RT and Surface 2 won't get Windows 10.
lastflowers
Banned
Just some speculation on the look/speed of these apps: Much of the App fit and finish will come later. With big platform changes and such under the cover, running a debug/test build can cause some severe slowdown on apps that are already not completely optimized yet.
I don't know how I feel about abandoning the pivot interface. It's true there's nothing about the design language that necessitates that interaction model, and there are areas where sliding menus are more efficient, but this looks like the most radical overhaul of Windows Phone since its inception. Hopefully, my impressions will be more favorable after actually using the new OS.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Expected.
Sad trombone.wav
Not really surprised tbh
Still love my Surface 2 with 8.1 RT
Now, where is my new flagship Windows Phone so I can upgrade from my 920?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
It isn't.
Windows RT had no right to live.
Kill it with fire.
Windows RT had no right to live.
Kill it with fire.
The cheap Intel processors? They're not cheap. Intel subsidizes them and loses enormous amounts of money per chip.
Killing RT is a bad thing. Have fun with pricing in two years once Intel decides they had enough bleeding billions. I'm sue Microsoft knows this
RT shall returnSteelyuhas
Member
Yeah, I don't want to overreact to interfaces that aren't final, but with everything moving to universal I can see the pivot disappearing because it's largely unnecessary on PC/tablet screens.
The pivot currently works really well on some WP apps (including native ones such as Calendar).
juliushandle
Member
Give RT owners the "small screen" Windows 10 minus the phone feature. I would love for my Nokia 2520 to have the Phone's keyboard and apps. The "mobile" version of the Spartan Browser will surely lack the big boy's features but I can live with that.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
RT owners get Windows 9.
brotkasten
Member
Spartan on Windows Phone.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I knew this was going to happen, there was enough info there for us to read between the lines. That's why I sold my surface 2 last week. I like it, but it couldn't really compete with my iPad, especially since the iPad now has a decent version of office.
Edit: browser bar at the top again? So stupid!!!!
Edit: browser bar at the top again? So stupid!!!!
brotkasten
Member
It was clear when they canceled the Surface Mini.
YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7871919/skype-for-windows-10-features
NOW YOU CAN PUT MESSAGES IN THE FREAKING AIR!
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7871919/skype-for-windows-10-features
NOW YOU CAN PUT MESSAGES IN THE FREAKING AIR!
brotkasten
Member
YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7871919/skype-for-windows-10-features
NOW YOU CAN PUT MESSAGES IN THE FREAKING AIR!
But can you send text messages from your phone with the app or just Skype? What about receiving calls from your phone?
NeOak
Member
RTM build usually is around that time
The Faceless Master
Member
*hugs Surface Pro*
brotkasten
Member
No one has explicitly stated it but this PR image also comes with the set:
But that's the messaging app on the phone. Skype is now integrated like Facebook Messenger was integrated back then. That doesn't mean anything. I also noticed that I worded my post in a weird way. I meant to ask if it's possible to send text messages on the PC with the messaging app (via phone). That's the iMessage stuff I really want. That, and accepting calls. On Android I can do both things with Pushbullet (super amazeballs app everyone should have), but I'd rather prefer an integrated solution.
The Purple Pill
Member
So they are killing off the windows RT? Not surprised, without it being genuine windows, I didn't see the point of that thing, surface pro all the way baby.
And got my Lumia 930 today, I'm psyched, but won't use it till my protective shell cover arrives, because of fear of stupidity. I have had another phone for over 2 years, without scratching it but hell day one with my Lumia, the unthinkable could happen. :O
And got my Lumia 930 today, I'm psyched, but won't use it till my protective shell cover arrives, because of fear of stupidity. I have had another phone for over 2 years, without scratching it but hell day one with my Lumia, the unthinkable could happen. :O
Yeah i understood.
I'm saying that the text messages (dark purple) show up on both. On the PC app there is a drop down for "text using..."
brotkasten
Member
I didn't see that. That's really, really great. Thanks.
Pushbullet does calls now?
Was gonna go to Build, their website was funky for 45 minutes and by the time I could register they were full.
Ahh lame. Don't they do some cool giveaways sometimes?
brotkasten
Member
You can accept calls on the desktop, yes. They also revamped the UI on the desktop version. It looks less hacky now. You can also dismiss notifications and use certain actions (archive/delete email etc). It's really good, but I wish it had a less hack-ish feel to it. It's also never going to integrate with Cortana on W10, so that sucks a little.
Again, it's amazeballs.
You can accept calls on the desktop, yes. They also revamped the UI on the desktop version. It looks less hacky now. You can also dismiss notifications and use certain actions (archive/delete email etc). It's really good, but I wish it had a less hack-ish feel to it. It's also never going to integrate with Cortana on W10, so that sucks a little.
Again, it's amazeballs.
That's fantastic. I loved being able to reply from texts with it. Taking calls makes it perfect.
LOL. I said years ago Windows Phone should've been the OS for cheaper tablet not RT. Now RT is dead.
Don't worry Brot, it makes sense.
For one, the task switcher when you swipe in from the left is so much better than the left swipe switcher on 8/8.1. It includes all open modern *and* desktop applications, and is identical to alt+tab, instead of being some nonsensical disparate experience that segments the device into two different worlds of modern and desktop.
Right-swipe is also better now. Instead of the charms that no one understood, it's the action center. The action center still contains all the same quick actions that Charms provided, and it also shows you missed notifications and such. A fairly elegant analog of the swipe down on Windows Phone.
If you go into full-screen mode, the taskbar goes away of course. But I like having the taskbar optionally there as a quick window switcher for a tablet that's not intrusive at all.
It's also not done yet
Lots more fit and finish to comebrotkasten
Member
It really is. But I wish it would integrate a bit more with all my devices. Spending more than few hours at home during the holidays made me realize how awesome it would be if I could basically do all the things from all devices (PC, iPad, Nexus 5). Sitting on the couch with the iPad and getting a call on my phone in the other room, because it's charging (lol, Nexus 5)? Let me take that call on the iPad. Same for text messages. It would be great to have all these things without being chained to one ecosystem. Or maybe I should just dump the iPad and get a 4:3 Windows tablet? Something with pen support would be great. Maybe someone should make something like that.
Sorry for the Android talk, guys. But this is the better Android thread after all!
when you get for 94euros as I did a 8 inch full windows tablet with 2gb/32gb rt sure doesn't have any room to be competitive.
I am really tempted to buy a SP3 now with all this news, my holiday money is still unspent anyway
Buy yourself an SP3 and put in a pre-order for the next flagship phone for me
Just curious, I understand having the capability to send and receive texts is pretty cool on a pc/laptop, but do you really answer calls? Do you use a webcam and mic or something?
I don't think you should get ahead of yourself there. That drop down could include lots of things, SMS might not be one of them.
Yup agreed. Rudy started a thread about it on MS uservoice site:
https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/...55-keep-the-spartan-address-bar-at-the-bottom
Supported.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/01/22/apple...-battery-life-revealed-a5-caliber-cpu-inside/
2.5 to 4 hours?
Fuck me.
2.5 to 4 hours?
Fuck me.
brotkasten
Member
When I'm home and sitting at my desk, then yes. It automatically puts the call on the speaker. It's just convenient not having to hold the phone and you can continue to do whatever you're doing. I know it sounds lazy, but it's the little things, you know?
How does that compare to other similar devices?
Probably quite ok.
But it's still very bad for what is supposed to be something of a watch.
Steelyuhas
Member
Ugh, hopefully they'll consider changing that. It'll be terrible on large phones with that.Spartan on Windows Phone.
Waiting for confirmation on being able to send/receive SMS from any device, but this is awesome.YES! YES! YES! YES!
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7871919/skype-for-windows-10-features
NOW YOU CAN PUT MESSAGES IN THE FREAKING AIR!
LukasTaves
Member
I figured as much when they said any windows device below 8" would get the "phone version" of windows 10 without the desktop. It seemed a strange distinction at the presser.
I think they won't outright kill it, but demand arm devices have screen sizes below 7". At least until some key w32 applications moves to the universal apps apis.
LukasTaves
Member
Don't worry Brot, it makes sense.
For one, the task switcher when you swipe in from the left is so much better than the left swipe switcher on 8/8.1. It includes all open modern *and* desktop applications, and is identical to alt+tab, instead of being some nonsensical disparate experience that segments the device into two different worlds of modern and desktop.
Right-swipe is also better now. Instead of the charms that no one understood, it's the action center. The action center still contains all the same quick actions that Charms provided, and it also shows you missed notifications and such. A fairly elegant analog of the swipe down on Windows Phone.
If you go into full-screen mode, the taskbar goes away of course. But I like having the taskbar optionally there as a quick window switcher for a tablet that's not intrusive at all.
It's also not done yet
How about swiping from top and bottom? Do they still work the same? Or now the design is to use the hamburger menu and those gestures will be gone?
show me your skeleton
Member
gosh this is all lovely. i can't wait to dig out my 920 when the preview goes live.
there will be a preview right?
there will be a preview right?
LukasTaves
Member
Oh, and have they said when exactly the preview hits? Or just a vague next week?