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[HollovVpo1nt]

I don't know that there is a line. Sit back and imagine the future of Microsoft if they can't get any traction in mobile (both tablet and phone).

I feel like Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are do tightly coupled (and will be moreso in the future) that success for one will drive success for the other. If Microsoft can't grow in market share, their business is pretty much screwed outside of Office and Xbox

How are Windows 8 and Phone 8 tightly coupled, aside from sharing a kernel? They sort of have the same UI but that's it so far. There is much more potential in Windows 8 and Phone than Microsoft is utilising.

And to be honest, I want Microsoft to be succesful in the Tablet/Phone space. It's no secret that I don't like Apple and I am frightened by the thought of a market controlled by google. But, sadly, I don't see Microsofts efforts paying off and I think they'll have a very rough future ahead of them.
Look at the rate ARM hardware has been evolving and Android has been improving. In 2 years time, a quadcore S4 will be low-end and Android will continue to grow. I wouldn't be surprised if Android would be a reasonable Windows alternative, because it's slowly but steadily getting there. I'm even using my Android 2.3 phone as a PC. The only time I go on a PC is when I have to do long office sessions. Something like the Asus Padfone could replace everything I'm doing on a PC a couple of years.

 

[Totakeke]

And in terms of hybrid OS, Microsoft already has a solution and is years ahead of the competition.*

*cue people saying tablets and laptops shouldn't converge.

 

[kazinova]

Man, this thread took a dive lately.

 

[Damon Bennet]

i also enjoyed it more when it was just us guys hyping each other for the next "it will be better this time" update or device.

 

[brotkasten]

Man, this thread took a dive lately.

i also enjoyed it more when it was just us guys hyping each other for the next "it will be better this time" update or device.

Oh, come on, guys. You know how this goes.

Hype
Hype
Release
Meh
Complaining
No new info
Meh
Complaining
Meh
First new info
Hype
Hype
Release

We're in the first complaining phase right now.

 

[Totakeke]

Still happy with WP7.

 

[hwalker84]

How are Windows 8 and Phone 8 tightly coupled, aside from sharing a kernel? They sort of have the same UI but that's it so far. There is much more potential in Windows 8 and Phone than Microsoft is utilising.

And to be honest, I want Microsoft to be succesful in the Tablet/Phone space. It's no secret that I don't like Apple and I am frightened by the thought of a market controlled by google. But, sadly, I don't see Microsofts efforts paying off and I think they'll have a very rough future ahead of them.
Look at the rate ARM hardware has been evolving and Android has been improving. In 2 years time, a quadcore S4 will be low-end and Android will continue to grow. I wouldn't be surprised if Android would be a reasonable Windows alternative, because it's slowly but steadily getting there. I'm even using my Android 2.3 phone as a PC. The only time I go on a PC is when I have to do long office sessions. Something like the Asus Padfone could replace everything I'm doing on a PC a couple of years.

Spot on.

 

[PG2G]

How are Windows 8 and Phone 8 tightly coupled, aside from sharing a kernel? They sort of have the same UI but that's it so far. There is much more potential in Windows 8 and Phone than Microsoft is utilising.

They are tightly coupled in the way that makes most sense for two new platforms, in terms of software development and services. For developers, making an investment in Windows 8 is making an investment in Windows Phone and will likely be making an investment in the next Xbox. If Windows 8 takes off and creates a healthy ecosystem, it will prop up Windows Phone, and the same in reverse.

And to be honest, I want Microsoft to be succesful in the Tablet/Phone space. It's no secret that I don't like Apple and I am frightened by the thought of a market controlled by google. But, sadly, I don't see Microsofts efforts paying off and I think they'll have a very rough future ahead of them.
Look at the rate ARM hardware has been evolving and Android has been improving. In 2 years time, a quadcore S4 will be low-end and Android will continue to grow. I wouldn't be surprised if Android would be a reasonable Windows alternative, because it's slowly but steadily getting there. I'm even using my Android 2.3 phone as a PC. The only time I go on a PC is when I have to do long office sessions. Something like the Asus Padfone could replace everything I'm doing on a PC a couple of years.

Which is the exact reason that there is no limit to how much they can spend.

 

[PG2G]

Man, this thread took a dive lately.

You should see WP Central, shit drives me insane.

 

[brotkasten]

They are tightly coupled in the way that makes most sense for two new platforms, in terms of software development and services. For developers, making an investment in Windows 8 is making an investment in Windows Phone and will likely be making an investment in the next Xbox. If Windows 8 takes off and creates a healthy ecosystem, it will prop up Windows Phone, and the same in reverse.



Which is the exact reason that there is no limit to how much they can spend.

And yet they can't get the bookmarks to sync across the two platforms. Same core and browser and all.

 

[PG2G]

And yet they can't get the bookmarks to sync across the two platforms. Same core and browser and all.

Yeah, that's not really related to my point. I think don't think anyone would disagree that there are still a number of feature gaps in the OS and apps.

 

[Totakeke]

brotkatsen, champion of the little things in our lives.

Actually I think it's a bad idea to just sync the bookmarks. Who wants to scroll through a full list of stuffs on your phone?

 

[The Faceless Master]

Zune is dead.

You have two options:

Drag and drop

Windows Phone Desktop sync tool

Pick your poison

what about Zunplex?

brotkatsen, champion of the little things in our lives.

Actually I think it's a bad idea to just sync the bookmarks. Who wants to scroll through a full list of stuffs on your phone?

it's not a big deal to me, but the type of response.. ugh..

"who wants to use IRC on a phone?"

 

[Totakeke]

This type of response ugh. Take off your glasses man. I said a direct bookmark sync would be a bad idea. Do you dispute that?

 

[lastflowers]

This is an eyebrow raiser to me: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/...ng-things-with-verizon-stephen-elop-interview

*fingers crossed*

 

[Totakeke]

This is an eyebrow raiser to me: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/...ng-things-with-verizon-stephen-elop-interview

*fingers crossed*

We're in the hype phase already?

 

[infinityBCRT]

There's a lot of quiet buzz around Nokia these days. The stock is going up, apparently the 920 did really well during black friday at walmart and probably would've done better had there been more stock. But there hasn't really been any hard evidence of Nokia really turning it around either.

 

[Razdek]

This is so silly its ludicrous.

I thought there were already published reports on in fighting between the Windows Phone and Kin teams before they sent the Kin out to die?

 

[Damon Bennet]

There's a lot of quiet buzz around Nokia these days. The stock is going up, apparently the 920 did really well during black friday at walmart and probably would've done better had there been more stock. But there hasn't really been any hard evidence of Nokia really turning it around either.

isnt demand high in china?

 

[brotkasten]

brotkatsen, champion of the little things in our lives.

Actually I think it's a bad idea to just sync the bookmarks. Who wants to scroll through a full list of stuffs on your phone?

I expect that kind of thinking from some people at Microsoft, but not here.

Syncing bookmarks across devices is not magic. Other platforms and browsers do it, including giving you options on what bookmarks to sync. Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Dolphin. Probably more.

Having options is not a bad thing. They might take longer to implement, but it's better than skipping a feature completely.

 

[derFeef]

Syncing is good, I love syncing. Bad enough that google jumps ship.

 

[Totakeke]

I expect that kind of thinking from some people at Microsoft, but not here.

Syncing bookmarks across devices is not magic. Other platforms and browsers do it, including giving you options on what bookmarks to sync. Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Dolphin. Probably more.

Having options is not a bad thing. They might take longer to implement, but it's better than skipping a feature completely.

Since when is the Windows Phone model to be the first out with features? It's always been doing features "correctly" even if it means it's wrong in the end.

 

[PG2G]

From the WPCentral forums

Software update: Windows Phone 8X by HTC

On December 19, a software update to OS version 8.0.10211.204 and firmware version 1532.20.20004.531 will be released for the Windows Phone 8X by HTC. The software update, which will be available by Over The Air (OTA), will help address a few bugs, including issues with Bluetooth, devices rebooting, and being incorrectly routed to tethering upsell pages when browsing.

Edit: To clarify, that is T-Mobile

 

[thirty]

This is an eyebrow raiser to me: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/...ng-things-with-verizon-stephen-elop-interview

*fingers crossed*

great interview with elop. He and Nokia understand the ungency and are trying to move very fast. He also talks about differentiation and how not choosing android is proving to be a smart move. He also pretty much all but confirms a flagship for Verizon.

 

[PG2G]

this is what I have my fingers crossed for, come MWC

And from NVIDIA's leaked roadmap back in 9/2011

 

[Ragus]

Can anyone explain to me, why do locked/unlocked phones don't get updates at the same time? It seems very silly to me :/.

 

[thirty]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=504599

backlash against instagram's new terms of service, hahahaha. Hipsters are fleeing like cockroaches.

 

[brotkasten]

I thought there were already published reports on in fighting between the Windows Phone and Kin teams before they sent the Kin out to die?

Andy Lees set the KIN team one or two years back, because he insisted they'd use Windows CE instead of the Java OS they've been using (they bought Danger Inc., the Sidekick people, for the project).

Speaking of the KIN, something like the KIN Studio is still missing from Windows Phone, 2 years after they ditched it. I mean, it's basically SkyDrive now, except that it doesn't look as hip and I still can't see the messages.

Also, no neat timeline for the content from your phone.

Since when is the Windows Phone model to be the first out with features? It's always been doing features "correctly" even if it means it's wrong in the end.

What? How would they be the first on the market with that feature? I just explained how they're still behind everyone else with the lack of bookmark sync. Virtually every other browser has it, except IE. Again, it's not magic, it's not complicated. Others are already doing it right.

 

[PG2G]

Can anyone explain to me, why do locked/unlocked phones don't get updates at the same time? It seems very silly to me :/.

Carriers are typically responsible for supporting locked devices, so the updates need to go through them as well.

 

[Ragus]

Carriers are typically responsible for locked devices, so the updates need to go through them as well.

I see. Let's say I have a Lumia 920, which was locked to a carrier, but I payed for taking off SimLock and I successfuly unlocked it. Will I still have to wait for the original Carrier of the phone when I want to do an update?

 

[Totakeke]

What? How would they be the first on the market with that feature? I just explained how they're still behind everyone else with the lack of bookmark sync. Virtually every other browser has it, except IE. Again, it's not magic, it's not complicated. Others are already doing it right.

I never said they're the first to have bookmark sync, I said they're never in the model of feature checklist for Windows Phone even now by getting as much features as they can every release. Either you believe that, or you believe that they fail spectacularly to meet their plans every release.

 

[hwalker84]

I see. Let's say I have a Lumia 920, which was locked to a carrier, but I payed for taking off SimLock and I successfuly unlocked it. Will I still have to wait for the original Carrier of the phone when I want to do an update?

Yes.

 

[brotkasten]

Can anyone explain to me, why do locked/unlocked phones don't get updates at the same time? It seems very silly to me :/.

Updates are always rolled out over a specific time span. They do this in case a show stopping bug is found and they can halt the process, without affecting all 14 phones on the market.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...ne-7-update-put-on-hold-for-samsung-handsets/

Locked phones have to go through carrier testing first.

 

[thirty]

Wait for CES ...no, wait for MWC.

 

[brotkasten]

Wait for CES ...no, wait for MWC.

MWC is right.

25-28 February 2013

 

[hwalker84]

T-mobile 8X getting Portico tomorrow

http://www.wpcentral.com/t-mobile-u...ng-tomorrow?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

 

[The Faceless Master]

This type of response ugh. Take off your glasses man. I said a direct bookmark sync would be a bad idea. Do you dispute that?

yes, i dispute it. even though i don't really care all that much for it, it exists and it is not a burden on my device.

 

[antiquegamer]

MWC is right.

25-28 February 2013

Microsoft no longer attending CES right? And now WPcentral is reporting Nokia is planning only WMC show.

 

[brotkasten]

Microsoft no longer attending CES right? And now WPcentral is reporting Nokia is planning only WMC show.

They're not doing the keynotes anymore, but that doesn't mean they won't be there.

But MWC is the show for mobile related announcements and CES is a bit too soon to show something off.

 

[thirty]

awaits for leaks of nokia's 922 or a variant of.

 

[this_guy]

I never said they're the first to have bookmark sync, I said they're never in the model of feature checklist for Windows Phone even now by getting as much features as they can every release. Either you believe that, or you believe that they fail spectacularly to meet their plans every release.

So what was your original point?

 

[D4Danger]

Wait for CES ...no, wait for MWC.

is that when Microsoft release Office for iOS and Android?

 

[brotkasten]

is that when Microsoft release Office for iOS and Android?

Can I be honest? I'll be honest.

I didn't think this would happen, but with work being super stressful these last three months, it happened twice now, where having Word and PowerPoint on my phone would've been extremly useful.

If I didn't know about the Android version and Microsoft would've made it clear that it won't happen, I probably would've jumped back rather sooner than later.

 

[PG2G]

They're not doing the keynotes anymore, but that doesn't mean they won't be there.

But MWC is the show for mobile related announcements and CES is a bit too soon to show something off.

They won't have a booth either, so they are pretty much not there.

Microsoft no longer attending CES right? And now WPcentral is reporting Nokia is planning only WMC show.

It makes sense though. Announce new phones with new software (presumably with support for new hardware) to go with it.

 

[jossueinacoma]

T-mobile 8X getting Portico tomorrow

http://www.wpcentral.com/t-mobile-u...ng-tomorrow?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

*sigh*
and i just returned my 8x cause of the sim card issue . now i have to wait till next week to get my new 8x. I wonder if that update would have fixed it.

 

[NeOak]

Service packs? Damn, that's one of the reasons why there's a shift towards post-PC.

Apple does it every year for OS X.

 

[jossueinacoma]

So I've had a Droid X for about two years (started to hate it towards the end), then picked up a HTC Trophy to play around for about a year or so until Verizon got some new WPs in. I've been itching to upgrade for awhile but after seeing the 8X and the 822...I feel a little underwhelmed. I love the look and feel of the 8X but the price and specs are really turning me off (I feel ugly at the thought of paying $200 for a dual-core, non-expandable, non-replaceable battery phone).

I am guilty in wanting the famous Lumia 920 and do feel a bit bitter about it being carrier exclusive. I feel that M$ really dropped the ball with WP8. They had a great chance to get as many different phones to as many carries as possible but they still went for that carrier exclusive crap. While the ATIV S does look interesting, I don't have any hype for it.

At the moment my choices are the SG Note II, 8X, wait for the ATIV S, or wait and see what that new BB10 phone has in store. My top choices at this time are the SG N2 and BB10 but idk. I really wanted to have a new windows phone but I am not feeling it.

best buy has the 8X on version for $49 in all 3 colors

 

[derFeef]

Apple does it every year for OS X.

But no one notices because it has a badass name attached to it.

 

[lastflowers]

But no one notices because it has a badass name attached to it.

It's got a certain mmph to it, a 'factor' one might say.

 

[JaggedSac]

It's got a certain mmph to it, a 'factor' one might say.

So how's that MS phone hardware development coming along?