CP3 should grow a beard like Harden's. Then they can be the greatest Beared Brushed floppists.
Woj: Clippers are trading Chris Paul to the Rockets
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CP3 should grow a beard like Harden's. Then they can be the greatest Beared Brushed floppists.
This aspect of the trade is being ignored, it seems to me to be one of the main upgrades to the Rockets. Also the Rockets and Spurs series was competitive, other than that last WTF game. I have no idea why people believe this team doesn't stand a chance against the Spurs.
Shamrock7r
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In that aspect I can see how taking away ball handling duties from Harden a bit would help, as his game is based around regular season officiating. Spurs knew how to neutralize him.
Captainbojanglesiii
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Clippers are also getting Montrezl Harrell per Turner. Adds onto a pretty solid haul
Byakuya769
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On paper this makes sense to me.
Chris Paul is not healthy enough to lead a team for 82 games and the playoffs. His body can't handle that much playing time. This allows him to take breaks by playing off the ball and gives the Rocket a legit perimeter defender and another guy who can run the offense when Harden is off the floor and hopefully also a better and more varied offense if Pringles can come up with a system that takes advantage of both of them being on the floor instead of just 100 straight pick and rolls
Good move for the Rockets. Now its on Pringles and the players to make it work.
Chris Paul is not healthy enough to lead a team for 82 games and the playoffs. His body can't handle that much playing time. This allows him to take breaks by playing off the ball and gives the Rocket a legit perimeter defender and another guy who can run the offense when Harden is off the floor and hopefully also a better and more varied offense if Pringles can come up with a system that takes advantage of both of them being on the floor instead of just 100 straight pick and rolls
Good move for the Rockets. Now its on Pringles and the players to make it work.
Alpha Centauri
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I agree. Harden and Blake would be a fantastic duo. Harden + Paul feels like the Melo + Amare pairing back in 2012. Two individually great players that have very little chance of synergy.
Maybe they prove us all wrong.
WascallyWabbit
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he can still get the supermax contract next year or get a slightly lower max deal if he re-ups this season according to Nate Duncan (one of the smarter bball bloggers out there)
source:
https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/880090756060397568
https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/880095133001056258
I've never seen this before. Legitimately hilarious.
perfectchaos007
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Not sure if I like this trade. I think that in a lot of ways Patrick Beverly is better than Paul. Oh well, congrats to the Clippers I guess on a good trade
Eh, the Rockets were spinning their wheels if they stayed pat. This was you can at least dangle a Paul + Harden duo to FAs this year and in next year's class.
The trade is essentially PBev and 2-3 spares for CP3. You take that trade every day of the week, particularly when we live in the SuperTeam Era.
Ninja Scooter
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Chris Paul George Hill
Think about it.
Think about it.
Remember when Paul was supposed to come and play with Kobe until we got Sterned?
brutal but true
Ninja Scooter
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I don't know why folks think this pairing can't work. Harden doesn't need the ball to be a great player, he was one of the best players in the league coming off the bench in OKC (even if Morey was the only guy smart enough to figure that out). Entire offense ran through him last year pretty much out of necessity. The idea he can't pair up with another great player is dumb.
Harden has been 1st / 1st / 3rd in total minutes played in the regular season the last 3 years. They need to cut that down drastically to keep him fresh for the playoffs. This move will obviously help.
Also amazed at the haul the Clips got for a guy who was a UFA. They seriously got back better assets for 0 years of CP3 than the Bulls got for 2 years of Jimmy on a relatively cheap deal.
Harden has been 1st / 1st / 3rd in total minutes played in the regular season the last 3 years. They need to cut that down drastically to keep him fresh for the playoffs. This move will obviously help.
Also amazed at the haul the Clips got for a guy who was a UFA. They seriously got back better assets for 0 years of CP3 than the Bulls got for 2 years of Jimmy on a relatively cheap deal.
Stabby McSter
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we'll probably never see another "basketball reasons" in our lifetime
but i'll probably be wrong
but i'll probably be wrong
NYR
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perfectchaos007
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I keep forgetting the Lakers were actually good, and on their way to forming their own superteam when that went down. Now look at them.
It's not as if I think it can't work, but I do think that it's not ideal. Harden came off the bench but still had the ball a ton in OKC, and he exploded when that role became full time in Houston and went even crazier this year when given the PG role. Harden is not good off the ball - he doesn't show consistent effort, he floats, and quite frankly he's just not used to the role. I'd be curious to look at Harden's spot up numbers, I just don't recall him taking a lot of those the past few years.
That being said, they're incredible offensive players playing for a great offensive coach - so I think they'll make it work. LeBron and Wade weren't a perfect pairing either.
Trade is a no-brainer for Houston either way. Should be interesting.
RBelong2Us
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Apperently nepotism played a huge part in this. CP3 and Doc have been gradually getting in bad terms ever since Austin Rivers (docs son) came into the picture.
Caddywompus
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Houston's really aiming to dethrone GS as most hated team in the NBA probably should focus on wins instead.
Ninja Scooter
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You are right trading a bunch of role players for one of the best players in the NBA shows they are clearly not about winning. Thanks for the Skip Bayless tier insight.
ryutaro's mama
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How exactly does this make them one of the most hated teams in the NBA?
Hated teams usually do pretty well it seems.
I don't know how many people hate the 76ers'
According to Woj: "What's more: Houston keeps its full mid-level exception ($8.4M), bi-annual exception ($3.2M) and a significant trade exception."
For what they gave up and what they keep, seems like a great deal. I'm not sure from a competition standpoint that they challenge the Warriors but with the full MLE maybe they make enough moves to really make a run at it.
Two ball-dominant guards seems like not a great idea, but that's why you play 82 games right? Maybe it works out - regardless props to Houston for being aggressive this summer.
For what they gave up and what they keep, seems like a great deal. I'm not sure from a competition standpoint that they challenge the Warriors but with the full MLE maybe they make enough moves to really make a run at it.
Two ball-dominant guards seems like not a great idea, but that's why you play 82 games right? Maybe it works out - regardless props to Houston for being aggressive this summer.
I followed the money and it led me to an abandoned strip mall in Atlanta that apparently is going be the site for the new Golds Club.
What does this mean?
Caddywompus
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If Paul is still eligible for a Super Max you're going to cripple your team with a 32 year old vet that can't stay on the court past 60 gms.
Best case scenario is when one All-star disappears in the playoffs you have a back up there to get you past the Jonathon Simmons' Spurs.
But sure, if you think this translates into anything more than an entertaining trainwreck good for you.
Chris Paul is a dirty play who encourages this whining culture to the the refs add that to the player who's always framed as foul drawing flopper, that label Houston got as being unwatchable will just intensify with the addition of Paul.
Ninja Scooter
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As opposed to what? Keeping cap space and flexibility open indefinitely so you can always be "one or two moves away" from now until the end of time? Eventually you have to shoot your shot. Franchise/superstar players don't become available everyday, and with the new CBA incentivizing players to stay with their teams it's going to become even more uncommon.
I mean it's awesome that you were able to stare into your crystal ball and predict that adding one of the best players in the league is guaranteed to end terribly, but in the real, rational world you just sound crazy.
RBelong2Us
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Yeah because a team likes warriors aren't a super team. They are a team that was built through the draft with pieces that fit together and players that grew along with playing together then you pick up solid role players to come off the bench.
The one anomaly being Durant, big anomaly but still...dude obviously came in and respected the system and what was already established .
Caddywompus
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Yeah because Morey's track record of smashing whatever all-stars he can get his hands on has worked so well before. Just acquiring whatever available talent doesn't mean it's the right move to improve the team, these two aren't a good fit at this point in their careers.
Valuewise sure it's an interesting deal, if say, this time next year it doesn't work out you can move a 33 year old on what a 4 year Super Max deal?
This is an all-in type move but ultimately it doesn't matter, Pringles and Harden aren't going to win anything in Houston so just enjoy it while you can because the rebuild will be here soon.
What exactly do you foresee oh wise one for Houston?
Ninja Scooter
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I foresee that they are better now than they were yesterday. I also don't subscribe to this "so and so just can't win the big one so they shouldn't even try" hot take garbage. Same thing was said about Dirk and LeBron and KD, just to throw out some recent examples. The league is littered with players and coaches who "couldn't win the big one!"
...until they could.
I would not worry about building my team and constructing a roster around that kind of crappy hot take mentality.
Was this already posted? https://www.facebook.com/MrMichaelEaves/posts/1239427866166362
Yoooo, Melo and the Machine would have been a big upgrade over Wheelchair and Son. The loss of Crawford would have hurt though.
Yoooo, Melo and the Machine would have been a big upgrade over Wheelchair and Son. The loss of Crawford would have hurt though.
Alpha Centauri
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I didn't know that. Doc's a dummy. You take that trade 10/10 and twice on Sunday.
WascallyWabbit
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Is he? Would you want to send your kid to the dumpster fire in NY during the Phil Jackson regime?? Lol
Alpha Centauri
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Hah true. I agree he was looking out for his kid. If you're a GM though, you gotta be a GM. If you choose to be a Father-GM, don't be surprised when you lose a Chris Paul (and your job next year)
Plus there was an added bonus that his son could grow into a real starting guard with a kid like Porzingis. Expectations would be low, minutes would be high, and his PPG and Assists would all go up accordingly. That really is a win-win in my book.
Now, his son will start for the Clips, and people and the organization will just laugh "LOL Nepotism".
Two things, why is Michael Eve's posting this on Facebook, did he get laid off at ESPN? And man, not a good look at Doc who everyone knows you are protecting your son
WascallyWabbit
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Yeah I mean, if he was objective he would have done it. Doc ain't trying to go home to a pissed off Mrs. Rivers though
Doc must have known his kid isn't cut out for the NBA (something we all know, right?) and the real possibility of being sent tdown to the d league or DNP on the bench, but to essentially destroy the Clips by declinig that trade is unfathomable from a business perspective.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Look out Splash Bros., the Flop Bros. are comin for dat ass
Was really hoping he would have went to the Spurs. That would have been an interesting team to watch
Was really hoping he would have went to the Spurs. That would have been an interesting team to watch
WascallyWabbit
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In fairness to Doc, Austin emerged as a real NBA rotation player this year. Shot well from deep and developed into a good defender.
Caddywompus
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I don't either. I don't think Paul brings some 2nd rd curse with him. But I don't see Pringles winning without defense. I loved Beverley and I'm going to miss him cause he was a good fit next to a SG playing PG. And Harden does need a 2nd fiddle to help carry the offense just not a veteran who's health has never been reliable and is entering the twilight of his career soon. A veteran who's not taking a discount to win but stifle Morey's flexibility to pull off more salary cap moves to improve the roster.
I hope you're right and Houston has the best back court in the NBA for the next two years, no one has an answer for them and they can compete with GS every Conf. Final.
Sorry I'm so pessimistic.
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