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[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

http://www.distractionrollup.com/
This is just raw shows and a month off. So probably close to averaging one every other week.

Ha. Way lower than I expected.

I bet if you just focused on women's matches on Raw, the ratio would be absurd.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

This has been making the rounds

You really will defend them to the very end.

 

[Zach]

Did someone mention bringing back jobbers??

YEEESSSSSSS.

 

[Aiii]

Flair did this all the time as a heel back in the day. I know, different era, but still.

Not so much the era, but the exposure.

Rollins does it in the public eye on national television. Flair did it on house shows and, at best, regional television.

You would see him lose once out of 20 losses, not 20 out of 20.

People don't know or care that Rollins has lost that much. Some people have noticed, I'm sure, but overall, people watch wrestling to be entertained, no matter what that means. If Rollins and the writers are doing it right, everyone's happy.

I disagree. They might not know his win/loss record or care to know. But they see him lose and that helps them form how they view him as a wrestler and as a champion.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

You really will defend them to the very end.

I didn't make this, but there's a lot of truth in there.

 

[Bronx-Man]

They're also the reason the Takeover specials are great, because you haven't seen everyone wrestle everyone else a million times and just trade wins and losses til they don't matter.

Very good point. The PPVs could use some boosting as well.

Flair did this all the time as a heel back in the day. I know, different era, but still.

Flair didn't show up five segments on tv every week for 6 months straight, whining about how he doesn't like actually having to wrestle.

 

[Couleurs]

This has been making the rounds

Half of that list is bullshit that no one has ever said, but lol at one of the points being how people refuse to stop watching, as ratings continue to plummet to near 20 year lows.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

That image is just an illustration of how wrestling fans get distracted by what they think matters when it's actually simple: the show just has to be entertaining and compelling, no matter what's happening on it.

 

[hamchan]

This has been making the rounds

But what's the point of someone making this list, trying to attack the fans, when the falling ratings and attendance are a very real thing and the point of this thread?

 

[Verendus]

We need to go Game of Thrones now. Start killing off some people. I volunteer Daniel Bryan as the first sacrifice.

 

[Entropia]

I had a post mostly written up that I didn't actually submit.

But this mostly covers it: http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/w...-they-first-must-consider-fundamentals-199751

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Half of that list is bullshit that no one has ever said, but lol at one of the points being how people refuse to stop watching, as ratings continue to plummet to near 20 year lows.

First off, almost every single one of those was mentioned this week during Raw in WrassleGAF and over at Wreddit. I'm sure other communities are that way. It can get exhausting.

Regarding the ratings, you're right. I think they have a core audience they will NEVER lose, though, no matter what shit gets served up.

But what's the point of someone making this list, trying to attack the fans, when the falling ratings and attendance are a very real thing and the point of this thread?

It's just a bunch of text, I see a lot of it reflected in any wrasslin discussion

We need to go Game of Thrones now. Start killing off some people. I volunteer Daniel Bryan as the first sacrifice.

You're too late

 

[Ithil]

But what's the point of someone making this list, trying to attack the fans, when the falling ratings and attendance are a very real thing and the point of this thread?

Because there's a segment of fans that hates all other fans and makes it their primary interest to attack everyone else mindlessly.

 

[Fantomex]

Did we learn nothing from South Park? We need a gray area with good storylines dang it!

 

[Verendus]

Because there's a segment of fans that hates all other fans and makes it their primary interest to attack everyone else mindlessly.

I agree.

It's sad how Daniel Bryan fans attacked everyone mindlessly. They chased off a true megastar, and now look at what we're left with. We have a WWE World Heavyweight Champion who's a Nazi. In the meantime, Flop Lesnar is trying his best to do something, but as usual, he's flopping.

 

[Ithil]

The world was done with good guys vs bad guys 15 years ago. I see that as the biggest problem. No one wants to tune into a movie that takes place in the ring every single time, with the same couple of outcomes. Bad guy cheats to win, Good guy wins clean, outside interference costs someone a match, boooooring. At least that's what my cousins who tried to get into wrestling last year told me.

As far as the "fans don't want good guys", that's bunk. Sami Zayn and Bayley are the purest of the pure goody two shoes, and the crowds love them and want them to continue being good (to the point of chanting no when Zayn considered cheating in a match and cheering when he decided against it).

The reality is that Cena is a shitty face. It's not that "crowds hate good guys".

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

First off, almost every single one of those was mentioned this week during Raw in WrassleGAF and over at Wreddit. I'm sure other communities are that way. It can get exhausting.

not as exhausting as watching a 2015 raw

 

[The Silver]

As far as the "fans don't want good guys", that's bunk. Sami Zayn and Bayley are the purest of the pure goody two shoes, and the crowds love them and want them to continue being good (to the point of chanting no when Zayn considered cheating in a match and cheering when he decided against it).

The reality is that Cena is a shitty face. It's not that "crowds hate good guys".

The core is that people will always love an underdog.

Cena, Reigns, those guys are NOT underdogs.

 

[Kornflayx]

The core is that people will always love an underdog.

Cena, Reigns, those guys are NOT underdogs.

Remember years back when Punk told Cena that wasn't the underdog anymore, he was a dynasty? Cena got so mad at that, it was hilarious.

 

[Toki767]

Remember years back when Punk told Cena that wasn't the underdog anymore, he was a dynasty? Cena got so mad at that, it was hilarious.

He was right though. Which makes it stupid that even after that, they still tried to push the storyline about Cena overcoming the odds.

 

[UberTag]

He was right though. Which makes it stupid that even after that, they still tried to push the storyline about Cena overcoming the odds.

As many times as they've pushed that mentality, I'd be hard-pressed to think of a situation where Cena has ever been a legitimate underdog.
Possibly during his divorce proceedings. That's all I've got.

 

[Kornflayx]

He was right though. Which makes it stupid that even after that, they still tried to push the storyline about Cena overcoming the odds.

John gets mad

"Calm down, it's the last time I'm gonna tell you". John Cena literally can't handle the truth

 

[Toki767]

As many times as they've pushed that mentality, I'd be hard-pressed to think of a situation where Cena has ever been a legitimate underdog.
Possibly during his divorce proceedings. That's all I've got.

To be fair, he overcame those odds and is still quite wealthy. Art imitating life right there.

 

[Mizerman]

Because there's a segment of fans that hates all other fans and makes it their primary interest to attack everyone else mindlessly.

The funny thing is that they're still a part of the IWC in some way, no matter how far they try to divorce themselves.

 

[Glorified G]

Rollins's act is like 90% prime Flair. People are too young to know. I don't think it necessarily works in this era, though, because we don't have underdog good guys on the main roster like Ricky Steamboat. We have multiple Supermans.

Rollins is nothing like Ric Flair in his prime. Flair in NWA and early WCW rarely jobbed. The whole point of a chickenshit heel is that they're supposed to win consistently by cheating to the point of the fans clamoring for a loss where the cheating finally doesn't work.

I don't know what the hell Rollins is. I would say a shittier poor mans version of Edge. In the past 12 years, unless you're a monster big man or Triple H, you're not going to be booked as a strong heel in the WWE.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Rollins is Miz if he could actually work.

 

[Toki767]

Rollins is nothing like Ric Flair in his prime. Flair in NWA and early WCW rarely jobbed. The whole point of a chickenshit heel is that they're supposed to win consistently by cheating to the point of the fans clamoring for a loss where the cheating finally doesn't work.

I don't know what the hell Rollins is. I would say a shittier poor mans version of Edge. In the past 12 years, unless you're a monster big man or Triple H, you're not going to be booked as a strong heel in the WWE.

Also Flair and the Horsemen would constantly lay out the faces they were in programs with. Which made you want to see them in a one on one match where the odds were even.

 

[UberTag]

Rollins is Miz if he could actually work.

Rollins wishes he had Miz's mic skills.
(Miz wishes he had everything else Rollins brings to the table. Although he still wins because he has Maryse.)

 

[Mizerman]

Miz would make for a decent manager.

 

[Dick Justice]

This has been making the rounds

"Refuse to stop watching". Yeah, the ratings sure reflect that.

 

[Mahonay]

Almost any time they put Miz on the mic he absolutely kills it. No time for Miz on your three your TV show though apparently. Need to make sure we get an awkward Reigns promo and Rollins complaining about the same shit every week.

 

[samn]

This has been making the rounds

'Are experts on American corporations even when they aren't American'? What, like I have to move to Pennsylvania to possibly have any knowledge or insight?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Almost any time they put Miz on the mic he absolutely kills it. No time for Miz on your three your TV show though apparently. Need to make sure we get an awkward Reigns promo and Rollins complaining about the same shit every week.

Yeah, he's absolutely magnificent on the mic - this has been proven multiple times this past year at the least. He knows what he's doing at this point and can turn a crowd right when he needs to. He also showed a surprising amount of knowledge on Tough Talk, and had a ton of valid and constructive criticism while his other cohosts had jack shit to add.

Miz is a good guy.

 

[Bizazedo]

Miz is a good guy.

I dare say, he's Awesome.

I wear his shirt with pride.

 

[Mahonay]

Yeah, he's absolutely magnificent on the mic - this has been proven multiple times this past year at the least. He knows what he's doing at this point and can turn a crowd right when he needs to. He also showed a surprising amount of knowledge on Tough Talk, and had a ton of valid and constructive criticism while his other cohosts had jack shit to add.

Miz is a good guy.

You could even say he's...awesome

I dare say, he's Awesome.

I wear his shirt with pride.

God damn it.

 

[JesseEwiak]

As far as the "fans don't want good guys", that's bunk. Sami Zayn and Bayley are the purest of the pure goody two shoes, and the crowds love them and want them to continue being good (to the point of chanting no when Zayn considered cheating in a match and cheering when he decided against it).

The reality is that Cena is a shitty face. It's not that "crowds hate good guys".

Cena's a shitty face to dudes in black t-shirts who will only ever cheer a "good guy" who happened to "pay his dues" in Ring of Honor or if he didn't, wrestles like he did.

Hogan was a shitty face, by IWC standards. Hell, Bruno was a shitty face by IWC standards. The truth is, the casual fan wants a guy who will kick ass. Hulk Hogan was only a sympathetic babyface when he was wrestling literal monsters. Steve Austin wasn't sympathetic - he Stunned everybody, drank beer, then left. Goldberg wasn't sympathetic - he Jackhammer'd everybody and in under a year, was one of the biggest stars in the business.

People like winners. Period.

 

[BlastProcessing]

I didn't make this, but there's a lot of truth in there.

The only thing that rings true there is a pervasive sense of denial.

 

[Toki767]

Cena's a shitty face to dudes in black t-shirts who will only ever cheer a "good guy" who happened to "pay his dues" in Ring of Honor or if he didn't, wrestles like he did.

Hogan was a shitty face, by IWC standards. Hell, Bruno was a shitty face by IWC standards. The truth is, the casual fan wants a guy who will kick ass. Hulk Hogan was only a sympathetic babyface when he was wrestling literal monsters. Steve Austin wasn't sympathetic - he Stunned everybody, drank beer, then left. Goldberg wasn't sympathetic - he Jackhammer'd everybody and in under a year, was one of the biggest stars in the business.

People like winners. Period.

Hogan knew when to sell and get sympathy.

Cena just laughs off any time someone gets the better of him.

There's more to a good face than just paying your dues or being an internet darling.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Hogan knew when to sell and get sympathy.

Cena just laughs off any time someone gets the better of him.

There's more to a good face than just paying your dues or being an internet darling.

Cena in most matches, does a much better job selling than Hogan does in most matches. And I know, lolSummerslamNexus.

Afterwards, yes, but that's a booking problem, not a Cena issue. As always, the problem with Cena BERRING people isn't when Cena beats them, it's the next night. But, then boo Vince, not Cena for people being directionless after Cena feuds.

 

[Etrian Oddity]

Rollins wishes he had Miz's mic skills.
(Miz wishes he had everything else Rollins brings to the table. Although he still wins because he has Maryse.)

His catchphrase was "'cuz I'm the Miz -- and I'm awesome!"

That will always bring him down, deservedly so.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Totally disagree that they do matter, you can make the losses matter by making someone a better heel. The hard part is the face getting their hands on the heel, which is where the big payoff is. It's not as cut and dry as a W-L record in my eyes. I expect a slimy heel to get more losses than wins as he's more concerned about keeping the belt by any means necessary.

If Rollins is regularly taking ass whuppings on National TV, there is no need to wait for a payoff. The fans who hate him get catharsis every RAW; the fans who like him tune out because he looks like shit. The championship is devalued, no one cares about it because no one believes the guy with it can beat anyone.

HHH is the perfect way (well, maybe a little too long) to book a modern heel who isn't a monster. Or Kurt Angle, who also won his first World Title in a triple threat. Make the contender good guys look good, find a way to steal a match at the end. Make the midcard guys look good, win clean at the end. Drop an occasional tag fall if distracted, double teamed, or clobbered with a foreign device.

Whenever I saw Flair on TV in WWF, he was kicking the snot out of babyface Rowdy Roddy Piper for 15 minutes. He won the Royal Rumble fair and square. And he fucked Miss Elizabeth in a storyline. That's how you build heat.

 

[Jimmy King]

People like winners. Period.

I set up my online dating profiles with this in mind.

 

[The Silver]

If Rollins is regularly taking ass whuppings on National TV, there is no need to wait for a payoff. The fans who hate him get catharsis every RAW; the fans who like him tune out because he looks like shit. The championship is devalued, no one cares about it because no one believes the guy with it can beat anyone.

HHH is the perfect way (well, maybe a little too long) to book a modern heel who isn't a monster. Or Kurt Angle, who also won his first World Title in a triple threat. Make the contender good guys look good, find a way to steal a match at the end. Make the midcard guys look good, win clean at the end. Drop an occasional tag fall if distracted, double teamed, or clobbered with a foreign device.

Whenever I saw Flair on TV in WWF, he was kicking the snot out of babyface Rowdy Roddy Piper for 15 minutes. He won the Royal Rumble fair and square. And he fucked Miss Elizabeth in a storyline. That's how you build heat.

Like why the fuck should anyone care about Seth finally getting what he deserves from Kane at HIAC when we just saw Kane beat the shit out of him and pin him on Raw? As far as I'm concerned the fued is over, now it's just some meaningless fignt over the title.

 

[dream]

Then why are the Kardashians so popular?

There is always room for trash brother!

If I had to try to explain it, I guess I'd argue that the Kardashians and their ilk are aspiration trash. People want to be, or fuck, the Kardashians, and that's the fantasy they sell. Nobody aspires to be Kevin Owens.

 

[Bronx-Man]

If I had to try to explain it, I guess I'd argue that the Kardashians and their ilk are aspiration trash. People want to be, or fuck, the Kardashians, and that's the fantasy they sell. Nobody aspires to be Kevin Owens.

Have you seen the dude's wife?

 

[UberTag]

If I had to try to explain it, I guess I'd argue that the Kardashians and their ilk are aspiration trash. People want to be, or fuck, the Kardashians, and that's the fantasy they sell. Nobody aspires to be Kevin Owens.

Have you seen the dude's wife?

I aspire to be Kevin Owens.

 

[Verendus]

Kevin Owens is fat.

 

[Anth0ny]

If I had to try to explain it, I guess I'd argue that the Kardashians and their ilk are aspiration trash. People want to be, or fuck, the Kardashians, and that's the fantasy they sell. Nobody aspires to be Kevin Owens.

that's why the champ should be a Rolex wearing, diamond ring wearing, kiss stealing, woooo wheelin dealin’, limousine riding, jet flying son of a gun

 

[dream]

The three of your raise very valid points, and I concede that I was wrong.

 

[klonere]

If only WWE gave a platform for people to complain about Raw on Raw they could garner the same amount of incredible interest and longevity from such a segment that this thread has managed to get.