This has been making the rounds
Hasn't Rollins only won like 1 out of his last 20 matches?
Make the guy lose via DQ, not jobbing cleanly.
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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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Hasn't Rollins only won like 1 out of his last 20 matches?
Make the guy lose via DQ, not jobbing cleanly.
And he's awesome.
Sho_Nuff82
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Might as well put the world heavyweight championship back on HHH or straight up on Steph. People actually want to see them get their assess kicked, as they are the biggest heels in the company.
When CM Punk and Daniel Bryan were champion/main eventing they were constantly getting blamed by WWE for the rating drops and shitty PPV buys (pre WWE Network). Daniel Bryan was completely removed from the main event scene at one point and CM Punk was never the focus of the show despite being the champion. Why is Seth Rollins so protected and getting a free pass?
UberTag
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Double standards are a wonderful thing.
When ratings fall with CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, it was THEIR fault 'cause they were B+ players who wouldn't move house show tickets or ugly merchandise.
When ratings fall with someone else, the narrative becomes something different entirely.
I can think of one commonality between both ratings drops and they share the same initials as Veronica Mars and Kraft Dinner.
The fun part is that Bryan actually typically gained viewers. It's just that it didn't translate to live attendance figures for house shows and merchandise sales (although that's because his merchandise at the time was super ugly).
They're giving Rollins a pass probably because in their mind, he's more of a WWE guy (at least a HHH guy) than an indie guy.
The Silver
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It doesn't really matter who the top guy is as long as the writing and other systemic stuff remains shit.
You can get a new guy with the drive and quality of Austin and he won't make much of a real difference when he's being hampered by incompetence.
Everyone needs to remember that this is a company that somehow fucked up the "Summer of Punk".
You can get a new guy with the drive and quality of Austin and he won't make much of a real difference when he's being hampered by incompetence.
Everyone needs to remember that this is a company that somehow fucked up the "Summer of Punk".
Dick Justice
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Batista got fucked up by a fat dude.
Hey. HEY. Batista won. Aren't people in here pooping their pants over Seth Rollins' record? Bateaster is legit undefeated.
Yes, exactly the first hour of Raw should be a parade of smarks who shout at a cardboard cut-out of VKM in the middle of the ring.
They all get those plastic rings that you use at the carnival as an acknowledgement of participation at the end.
The match was a draw!Batista got fucked up by a fat dude.
Edit: what he won?
Yay!
Dick Justice
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Dr. Zoidberg
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You know what I miss? Heel announcers. Some of my favorite matches had wonderfully funny/heelish commentary by Bobby Heenan or Jesse Ventura. When I watch the current product, the announcing team is as dull as dishwater. It feels like they play everything so safe and straight now.
There are a lot of problems with the current show. Writing, booking, etc. They have had some decent talent but it never seems to work out. CM Punk was one of the best things they've had in years but that didn't last. A lot of the current guys are just boring as hell. Very little character or charisma. I don't hate Cena personally but he's long overdue for some kind of massive heel turn or leave WWE to go show up in WCW to shake things up (oh wait...). Miz is okay. The New Day stuff is okay. Everybody else I can think of is either way past their prime or boring as hell. That women's division must be making them a ton of money somewhere because I don't know anyone who likes watching it and furthermore the crowd is usually silent and motionless during those matches unless they are getting up to pee. I don't care for the Wyatt family gimmick either, personally, but at least they are trying something besides "here is Tom Smith from Tupelo, MS. Cheer for him."
There are a lot of problems with the current show. Writing, booking, etc. They have had some decent talent but it never seems to work out. CM Punk was one of the best things they've had in years but that didn't last. A lot of the current guys are just boring as hell. Very little character or charisma. I don't hate Cena personally but he's long overdue for some kind of massive heel turn or leave WWE to go show up in WCW to shake things up (oh wait...). Miz is okay. The New Day stuff is okay. Everybody else I can think of is either way past their prime or boring as hell. That women's division must be making them a ton of money somewhere because I don't know anyone who likes watching it and furthermore the crowd is usually silent and motionless during those matches unless they are getting up to pee. I don't care for the Wyatt family gimmick either, personally, but at least they are trying something besides "here is Tom Smith from Tupelo, MS. Cheer for him."
Indy vs in house creation? maybe?
spindashing
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Seth's an indy darling too.
aGuyInaBearSuit
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Their last two attempts at heel announcers were JBL and Cole and both of them were insufferable and just made me want to watch the show on mute. Not in a "heel" kind of way, but in an "I'm not enjoying watching this" kind of way.
There will never be anybody as good as Heenan on the desk. Even when he stopped giving a shit in wcw, he was still pulling out golden 1 liners out of his ass consistently.
Let's not spread propaganda about the man who is going to come back and save the WWE. Batista remains undefeated in the combat sport of Mixed Martial Arts. He won that fight.Batista got fucked up by a fat dude.
Balee Dat.
that I didn't know...
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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They're probably giving Rollins a pass because, iirc, his merch does alright, and I'd guess that his house shows are probably doing alright, too. At the very least, I have to assume that there are business metrics driving Vince to stick with him even through the doldrums or the last year. Either that, or he's just absolutely necessary for some kind of big moment they're trying to build to, and they figure they'll get back anyone they lose when Wrestlemania season hits.
Edit: Seth is an "indie darling", but he doesn't have nearly the mileage on him that Bryan has, plus he's tall, relatively good-looking, and has an extremely athletic physique. His look is not Randy Orton or Roman Reigns good, but it's a much better look than Punk ever had or Bryan has had since like 2012.
Edit: Seth is an "indie darling", but he doesn't have nearly the mileage on him that Bryan has, plus he's tall, relatively good-looking, and has an extremely athletic physique. His look is not Randy Orton or Roman Reigns good, but it's a much better look than Punk ever had or Bryan has had since like 2012.
UberTag
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Color commentary is a losing proposition when you're compared to those two greats. Nobody else even comes close. The only guy in the past decade that even hinted at that kind of potential at commentary was Punk. In a perfect world, Vince would have retired, Dunn would have been fired, Heyman would be booking creative and we'd have Mauro Ranallo and CM Punk doing play-by-play and color on a 2-hour RAW each week.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Exactly. Neither one had the right character or presence for it, IMO. Cole is especially bad and they tried SO HARD to get him to be hated by the crowd. Yes, the crowd hated him, but it was because nobody cares about him and he was on the screen/in the ring taking up their valuable time.
The Faceless Master
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Tyler Black isn/t an indie darling? is that what we're saying now?
UberTag
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Steen vs. Black... trying to kill each other in a Ring of Honor ring five years ago...
I miss wrestlers that want to kill each other.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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He wasn't on the indies as long as Bryan was, and he doesn't have as much of a prototypical "indie look".
Dick Justice
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The Silver
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Papa HHH set his ass rightWell, he did at one point.
Well, he did at one point.
Is...he trying to dance or something?
Chie Satonaka
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God.
Punk was just white hot at that time. It's crazy to watch things like that and the original "pipebomb" and to see where we are now. I don't even watch the weekly shows anymore, and I haven't watched one of the PPVs in a few months either. I've just had better things to do.
Leona Lewis
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Rollins has only one decent look, and that's at full genital mast donning mint-green trunks in softcore wrestling porn for horny gay dudes.
No body hair > body hair. It is known.
Jimmy King
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Seth's look is worse than Punk or Bryan (save for hipster airport Bryan, which is honestly a good enough reason to never push him again even without injuries)
UberTag
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I think D.Brine could make an Evil Amish character work.
He could take a horse-drawn carriage to the ring.
Force Brie to churn butter at ringside.
And try to brand his opponents with a hot poker that says YES YES YES at the end of it.
Jimmy King
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Brie at ringside? That's a hard pass. I'm down with the rest though.
Oh did Stro make a new one?
This article is really good. It's even more frustrating than it would be otherwise to have the show experiencing such creative doldrums when they have all this constant talk about telling stories, which is is just insulting when you look at how much more the shows really are just "wrestling for wrestling's sake" and how little they really bother trying to tell a coherent story with a satisfying conclusion. And all the telling rather than showing stuff. Ugh.
I've actually put my money where my mouth is and tuned out of the show and unsubbed from the Network. I can't deal with being put to sleep all the time and I can get NXT on Hulu anyway.
Well, he did at one point.
lol they actually gave him this as a taunt on the WWE games. It was really weird seeing it since he didn't debut until after the Shield was a thing. But it's fun to have.
I stopped buying that crap too.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
He's chiseled and like 6 inches taller than either
I really assumed that both he and Dean were smaller dudes until the first video game they were in when I was like "Wait what, they're bigger than Roman? Is that a bug?" and then no they legitimately are IRL! Wow!
PHOENIXZERO
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Ambrose and Rollins both have their size/height undersold while WWE oversells Roman's.
Spirit of Jazz
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Obsession about height is weird as shit to me. Is it not more likely that Seth's being pushed because he's Trips boy and he's not a colossal failure like Cara/Kong?
Yeah they also just don't look that tall because almost everyone else in the roster is tall as well.
Ambrose being 6'4 shocked me, legit thought he was 5'10 or something.
UberTag
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Time for some fun measurables...
The Big Show - 7' 0"
Kane - 7' 0"
The Undertaker - 6' 10"
Baron Corbin - 6' 8"
Batista - 6' 6"
Edge - 6' 5"
Randy Orton - 6' 5"
The Rock - 6' 5"
Dean Ambrose - 6' 4"
Triple H - 6' 4"
Brock Lesnar - 6' 3"
Roman Reigns - 6' 3"
Bray Wyatt - 6' 3"
Steve Austin - 6' 2"
CM Punk - 6' 2"
The Miz - 6' 2"
John Cena - 6' 1"
Christian - 6' 1"
Ric Flair - 6' 1"
Shawn Michaels - 6' 1"
Seth Rollins - 6' 1"
Bret Hart - 6' 0"
Kevin Owens - 6' 0"
Rusev - 6' 0"
Finn Bálor - 5' 11"
Big E Langston - 5' 11"
Daniel Bryan - 5' 8" (actual; 5'10" is his "billed height")
Rey Mysterio - 5' 6"
Hornswoggle - 4' 5"
Man, muscles really do make a difference. Eddie was 5'8 and he always looked bigger than Bryan.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Bryan's 5'8". 5'10" is his billed height.
UberTag
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Yeah, that's the problem with going by WikiPedia. Billed heights are all you've got to cross-reference and there's no good resource for non-billed actual heights. Bryan's stated himself that he's 5'8" so that's certainly not a tightly-kept industry secret or anything. I'm sure some of those other ones are exaggerated as well.
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