Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Man, Paul should be really happy he's still that ripped and doesn't have a dead eyeball.They did that already at Wrestlemania 31 six months ago.
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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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Ninja Scooter
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Done that.
John Cena has little feet. I bet his pecker is small.
UberTag
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Fans aren't going to pop up a rating any more because you trot out some retired guys to stand in a ring and bark their catchphrases while Cole and JBL keep themselves entertained on their smartphones and Saxton does whatever the hell Saxton does. It is a nice treat for the live audience... but even they couldn't be bothered to fill much of the building last night.
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That competition was PRETTY fucking steep though. People watching football for a new Star Wars trailer.
The product needs major changes to get the audiences back watching it. The popularity for pro wrestling collapsed almost overnight when WCW collapsed way back in 2001, and Raw has been the same old shit for 14 years since. Whether it be changing the production, the stages, bringing in new wrestlers, getting different booking philosophies, Raw has to change drastically immediately. The headlines over "Lowest Ratings Ever!" every week aren't happening because someone was or wasn't there, it's because the audience has decided that they're tired of Raw entirely.
When the WWE's biggest success in making a name is like Russev and then you basically job him out it goes to show what's the point of trying. Unlike Roman they had a success here, so what did they do? Took everything good about him and remove it, then bury him due to getting engaged officially.
There's a reason people are not caring anymore and that's because for all the BS about the WWE wanting to make stars they seem to want to do anything but. And god help you if you get over and it's not planned.
There's a reason people are not caring anymore and that's because for all the BS about the WWE wanting to make stars they seem to want to do anything but. And god help you if you get over and it's not planned.
Sir_Crocodile
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And WWF responded with Flair & HBK, two of the greatest American pro wrestlers in modern history (Austin too, but a lot of people would never have even known he was going to be there).
Which if they were going to anything other then be called upon to pimp the next PPV might have meant something and caused people to stay with it, but fans are now wise to the fact that they're only ever brought in these days to promote something the wwf thinks needs the help. Just because they won't(or shouldn't in the case of flair) be wrestling anymore, doesn't mean they can't be involved in promo's in a bigger way, but they never are.
so people felt free to switch over, which is good. maybe vince will have to find a new strategy rather then just bringing back the old guys for the umpteenth time. like booking the young wrestlers like they're worth half a damn
Barack Lesnar
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I'd love to read Meltzer's whole write up on this. Im considering subscribing. Anyone sub to it? You feel it's worth it? For WWE reading not UFC or TNA or any other fed. I'm not one to read old observers from years back either so my whole sub would be for current WWE stuff. Worth it still?
Sir_Crocodile
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subscribe to my blog to find out
¡HarlequinPanic!
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whatever legends they bring in are too old to make any sort of notable tv.
This didn't used to be the case: they brought in Piper to deliver a solid gold promo with Cena about five years ago but legends haven't been used for shit since big show knocked out ric flair last year.
it's a LOT of reading, but I consider it worth the coin.
This didn't used to be the case: they brought in Piper to deliver a solid gold promo with Cena about five years ago but legends haven't been used for shit since big show knocked out ric flair last year.
it's a LOT of reading, but I consider it worth the coin.
Such a boring shame, they should be in the shadow of Sasha by now
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This has been making the rounds
This has been making the rounds
Oh yeah, if one thing pisses off wrestling fans its when the WORLD CHAMPION keeps beating people. Wrestling fans absolutely hate that. Who isent sick of Seth Rollins just beating people left and right?
What a shitty list, written by likely a WWE fanboy who hangs out at Wrestlezone all day.
What a shitty list, written by likely a WWE fanboy who hangs out at Wrestlezone all day.
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I have noticed some flipping and flopping critics of Rollins' win/loss record. Wins and losses don't matter to me, but some people treat it like it's the most important thing. I don't think anyone is tuning out due to EITHER reason, honestly.
Or.. by Vince himself. :O
When you are a champion, wins and losses do matter. Having a champion lose multiple times during their reign makes not only the champion look bad, but it makes the championship look absolutely worthless.
This is the main reason why the Intercontinental and (until recently) the United States championship are seen as worthless.
Wins and losses don't mean anything unless you are a champion. If wins and losses don't matter then, why would anyone care about being champion?
Sir_Crocodile
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This has been making the rounds
Is this the same guy as last time lol
someone's really marking out for these three hour drek shows lol
As long as Nikki's wearing those shorts, she can stay.
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Totally disagree that they do matter, you can make the losses matter by making someone a better heel. The hard part is the face getting their hands on the heel, which is where the big payoff is. It's not as cut and dry as a W-L record in my eyes. I expect a slimy heel to get more losses than wins as he's more concerned about keeping the belt by any means necessary.
I'm assuming it's because of the Cesaro comments made earlier in the wrestling thread that you're referring to?
Assuming that's the case: That was a response by them to jobbing Cesaro, not to Rollins winning. You're missing the point there, Rollins winning is fine, but it's the booking that's at fault here. Rollins shouldn't be wrestling the entire roster. He should be wrestling unimportant guys, except for on PPV's. The main problem with WWE booking is they job out their entire roster all the time (except Cena and a few others that vary at different times), making them all look like jokes. Don't book Rollins in regular TV-show matches against anyone that shouldn't be losing matches.
If you ever want to make Cesaro worth a damn (replace Cesaro with whoever you want to maybe see in a world title position at some point in the near future), he needs to be a serious competitor now.
Not just for the month before he wins the title, or as WWE is often booking now, only after he wins the title. And only during title matches.
The biggest problem WWE has right now is that EVERYONE is the midcard, except for John Cena. Nobody looks tough, everyone is just another guy. And the longer this situation persists, the worse it gets. Anyone that's on the main roster for more than a year has already been booked like this for so long that nobody that's watching will ever get out of the mindset of seeing them as a midcard guy. They'll never be able to look strong again.
There is a difference between a heel champion getting DQ'd or counted out and a heel champion getting Pinned all the time
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Yep, all boils down to this.
And they blew their load on the "bring back old stars" card. They can't do that again now until probably next year some time, they wasted it on this bust.
But that's why the weekly NXT episodes are boring as fuck, they're 90% jobber squashes.
It's absurd to say "wins and losses don't matter" when the WWE champion is 2-21 since August. They don't matter for some midcarder staying in the midcard and trading wins and losses with some other midcarder staying in the midcard.
But there is no reason in the world to have your WWE champion be such a loser. Why is he the champion if he's that much of a jobber?
Look at RAW, he wrestled a singles match on the show, and no one gave a shit. Why would that be?
They're also the reason the Takeover specials are great, because you haven't seen everyone wrestle everyone else a million times and just trade wins and losses til they don't matter.
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Eh, I think their problems lie elsewhere to be honest.
I think a 2-21 champion is a good story if you frame it well. The only time he wins, or gets away, is when it matters. You can easily argue WWE hasn't done that, but in a week they can do it.
Is that you Nikki Bella?
You know full well they are never going to do that.
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It only takes a week and a callout by the right person. It can happen. Probably won't, but it can.
The world was done with good guys vs bad guys 15 years ago. I see that as the biggest problem. No one wants to tune into a movie that takes place in the ring every single time, with the same couple of outcomes. Bad guy cheats to win, Good guy wins clean, outside interference costs someone a match, boooooring. At least that's what my cousins who tried to get into wrestling last year told me.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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People don't know or care that Rollins has lost that much. Some people have noticed, I'm sure, but overall, people watch wrestling to be entertained, no matter what that means. If Rollins and the writers are doing it right, everyone's happy.
Yeah, everyone I've known in my life who tries to get into wrestling and eventually gives up has said at some point that they didn't realize it would be the same thing over and over again. There's an expectation the matches and finishes would've been more varied. Distraction rollups have been at an all time high in the last two years.
No matter how you frame it, no champion, much less the World Heavyweight champion, should have a 2-21 win/loss record, especially when the majority of those losses come from being pinned or made to submit.
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Flair did this all the time as a heel back in the day. I know, different era, but still.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Rollins's act is like 90% prime Flair. People are too young to know. I don't think it necessarily works in this era, though, because we don't have underdog good guys on the main roster like Ricky Steamboat. We have multiple Supermans.
Sibersk Esto
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Of course you can still do good guys vs bad guys, you just need them to do cool stuff in the storyline to keep people engaged, like threaten to set each other on fire. Everyone acts the same these days. From a character standpoint Seth Rollins isn't really different from The Miz when he was champ. Except Miz had the Rock impersonation, which was better than anything seth has ever done.
Flair would get heat on TV and lose on the house shows.
EzekelRAGE
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This is just raw shows and a month off. So probably close to averaging one every other week.
Flair did a billion time limit draws, which sadly don't exist anymore
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