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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years

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UberTag

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and then this happened...

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...and absolutely zero perception changed as a result lol
Speaking of books, we are now in the midst of what will be a 5-month push for Stephanie McMahon to be positioned as the premiere face and popular / social media savvy figurehead of WWE television in advance of her autobiography being released in late September.

Expect every heel to get slapped by her repeatedly in the weeks and months to come. No comeuppance for her, either... and we shouldn't be upset because they're heels.
 

Tom Nook

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Last weeks ratings (5/23/16 show)

The hourly breakdown looks like this:

Hour one: 3.36 million
Hour two: 3.33 million
Hour three: 3.11 million

My guess would be...

Hour one: 2.97 million
Hour two: 2.91 million
Hour three: 2.57 million

might be way off on these numbers.
 
Me too,

Except I want the AJ styles segment to be the highest rated portion of the show. I want everything else except Enzo and Cass to be be 1.5

That segment aired during half time of the NBA game, so it's certainly possible. We don't get quarter hour breakdowns anymore though, do we?
 
They didn't exactly help themselves with the putrid first hour. I pretty much turned it off for good 35 minutes in. Clicked back over during breaks in the game a couple of times.
 

Ithil

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They didn't exactly help themselves with the putrid first hour. I pretty much turned it off for good 35 minutes in. Clicked back over during breaks in the game a couple of times.

That's what you can call a "give-up" hour. They knew it would get killed, so they gave minimum effort, which probably exacerbated the said killing.
 

Owzers

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I've mainly been watching the playoffs, i didn't care for the whole AJ/Roman the guy stuff, and now i saw a clip from last Raw where the bullet club comes back together to beat up Cena a little. So after he served his purpose of buying time for Rollins to be the new guy who stares awkwardly at Roman's power they let AJ drop the " but i don't wanna hit people" routine.
 
Hasn't AJ lost like every match so far? Why should I suspect he can beat Cena?

he won't, hell put on 5 star matches, and lose all three matches, at best hell go 1-2 vs Cena. Its classic WWE booking.

At the very least we can feel good that AJ will be collecting a nice paycheck, and I don't think he cares about Win losses, he wants to get paid.

Still it sucks that you have a world class talent, and you bury him by having him job to everyone. Y2J, Roman, and now Cena. At Some pioint you drop his value, and he becomes another Ziggler next year.
 
I cancelled my network sub after payback. I will not give WWE my money for at least a few months. I would rather support kayfabe commentaries which most of the time is pretty awesome with raven's wrestler rescue excluded as I expected less vince-esque booking from him.
 
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thepotatoman

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It was always obvious AJ was going to be fed to Reigns and Cena assuming they would even let him face them, but still don't get WWE making him lose to Y2J multiple times.

At least give AJ fans some sort of payoff before putting him on the losing streak.

Fucking LOL at the idea that AJ has been buried.

He hasn't exactly been buried, but wins and losses do matter. Seeing guys you like win and seeing guys you hate lose is pretty core to wrestling.
 

DeathyBoy

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he won't, hell put on 5 star matches, and lose all three matches, at best hell go 1-2 vs Cena. Its classic WWE booking.

At the very least we can feel good that AJ will be collecting a nice paycheck, and I don't think he cares about Win losses, he wants to get paid.

Still it sucks that you have a world class talent, and you bury him by having him job to everyone. Y2J, Roman, and now Cena. At Some pioint you drop his value, and he becomes another Ziggler next year.

Even if I get what you're saying, comparing fucking Ziggler to AJ Styles in any context blows my mind. I mean, for one thing Styles actually has options and potential to make a living outside of the WWE in wrestling.
 

Owzers

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It was always obvious AJ was going to be fed to Reigns and Cena assuming they would even let him face them, but still don't get WWE making him lose to Y2J multiple times.

At least give AJ fans some sort of payoff before putting him on the losing streak.



He hasn't exactly been buried, but wins and losses do matter. Seeing guys you like win and seeing guys you hate lose is pretty core to wrestling.

Everyone must lose to Jericho. I was pretty disappointed when they had Zayn lose to him, well, as disappointed as i can be with the WWE so not real disappointment.
 
Even if I get what you're saying, comparing fucking Ziggler to AJ Styles in any context blows my mind. I mean, for one thing Styles actually has options and potential to make a living outside of the WWE in wrestling.

I just mean where hell be on the card this time next year after he has lost to everyone.
 

Rockandrollclown

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he won't, hell put on 5 star matches, and lose all three matches, at best hell go 1-2 vs Cena. Its classic WWE booking.

At the very least we can feel good that AJ will be collecting a nice paycheck, and I don't think he cares about Win losses, he wants to get paid.

Still it sucks that you have a world class talent, and you bury him by having him job to everyone. Y2J, Roman, and now Cena. At Some pioint you drop his value, and he becomes another Ziggler next year.

Yeah, he needed to win against Jericho. It would have given him some semblance of legitimacy. Assuming I wasn't a fan in TNA or NJPW, I have no reason to think AJ Styles is capable of beating anyone. He also lost to KO clean, which is fine because KO is the greatest. He puts on incredible matches that he loses.
 

Son Of D

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I'm willing to guess that Styles wins the first match with Cena if they have it at MITB. Then some shenanigans at Battleground or whatever the July PPV is. Then the big match that Cena wins at Summerslam.
 

UberTag

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I'm willing to guess that Styles wins the first match with Cena if they have it at MITB. Then some shenanigans at Battleground or whatever the July PPV is. Then the big match that Cena wins at Summerslam.
That pattern would fit with what we've seen from Cena's other recent feuds... (see below)

I'd lay heavy odds on Styles tapping out to an STF at some point in the next ~2 months or so.

Cena has a submission victory over most of his recent feud victims elevations including Rollins (RAW - 07/27/15), Owens (Battleground 2015) and Rusev (Payback 2015). No reason Styles should be any different.

John Cena's recent losses in singles competition...
- Hell in a Cell (October 25th, 2015) - Lost the US title to Alberto Del Rio via pinfall
- SummerSlam (August 23rd, 2015) - Lost the US title to Seth Rollins via pinfall (would get his win and title back at Night of Champions in September; pinned Rollins again the next night on RAW)
- Elimination Chamber (May 31st, 2015) - Lost to Kevin Owens via pinfall (would get his win back at Money in the Bank in June; submitted Owens at Battleground in July)
- Fastlane (February 22nd, 2015) - Lost to Rusev via submission (would get his win back and Rusev's US title at WrestleMania in March; won a Russian Chain match at Extreme Rules in April; submitted Rusev in an "I Quit" match at Payback in May)
- RAW (January 12th, 2015) - Lost to Seth Rollins in a Lumberjack match via pinfall (would get his win back the very next week in a 1 vs. 3 handicap match against Rollins, Kane and The Big Show - Rollins ate the pin; would submit Rollins in July to build for their Summerslam title vs. title match)
- RAW (December 15th, 2014) - Lost to Seth Rollins in a Steel Cage match via escape (would get his win back the very next week on RAW via pinfall)
- RAW (October 13th, 2014) - Lost to Dean Ambrose in a "No Holds Barred Contract on a Pole" match (would get his win back in a US Open Challenge match on RAW in March)
- SummerSlam (August 17th, 2014) - Lost To Brock Lesnar via pinfall (Cena's last WWE world title reign; didn't get his win back from Brock although he did hit 4 AAs on Brock the next month at Night of Champions before Rollins interfered to cause the DQ)
- Extreme Rules (May 4th, 2014) - Lost to Bray Wyatt in a Steel Cage match via pinfall after a spooky child thwarted his escape (would get his win back in a Last Man Standing match at Payback in June; had already won their first match at WrestleMania)
- Royal Rumble (January 26th, 2014) - Lost to Randy Orton via pinfall (would get his win back 2 weeks later on RAW; would also pin Randy in a Hell in a Cell match in October)
The only exception to the "win the first match, lose the feud" pattern would be Bray Wyatt... but that's likely due to the fact that their first match was at WrestleMania and hence high profile.

Hasn't AJ lost like every match so far? Why should I suspect he can beat Cena?
Styles is 19-11 in televised matches.
20-11 if you count his Smackdown match that will air on Thursday. He beats Kofi Kingston with the Styles Clash.

AJ STYLES TELEVISION WIN-LOSS RECORD SINCE DEBUTING FOR WWE

January 24th - Eliminated by Kevin Owens in the Royal Rumble match for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship (eventually won by Triple H) - 0-1
January 25th - Pinfall victory over Chris Jericho on Monday Night RAW - 1-1
January 26th - Pinfall victory over Curtis Axel on Smackdown - 2-1 (only successful use of the Styles Clash to win a match)
February 2nd - Submission victory over The Miz on Smackdown - 3-1
February 9th - Tag team pinfall victory (w/ Chris Jericho) over The Social Outcasts (Adam Rose & Curtis Axel) on Smackdown - 4-1
February 9th - Pinfall loss to Chris Jericho on Smackdown - 4-2
February 15th - Submission victory over The Miz on Monday Night RAW - 5-2
February 21st - Submission victory over Chris Jericho at WWE Fastlane - 6-2
February 22nd - Tag team submission victory (w/ Chris Jericho) over The Social Outcasts (Curtis Axel & Heath Slater) on Monday Night RAW - 7-2
February 23rd - Tag team submission victory (w/ Chris Jericho & Mark Henry) over The New Day on Smackdown - 8-2
February 29th - Tag team submission victory (w/ Chris Jericho) over The New Day (Big E & Kofi Kingston) on Monday Night RAW - 9-2
March 1st - Pinfall victory over Kofi Kingston on Smackdown - 10-2
March 7th - Tag team pinfall loss (w/ Chris Jericho) to The New Day (Big E & Kofi Kingston) in a match for the WWE Tag Team Championship on Monday Night RAW - 10-3
March 15th - Pinfall loss to Kevin Owens on Smackdown - 10-4
March 21st - Pinfall loss to Kevin Owens on Monday Night RAW - 10-5
March 22nd - Pinfall victory over Tyler Breeze on Smackdown - 11-5
March 28th - Pinfall victory over Heath Slater on Smackdown - 12-5
April 3rd - Pinfall loss to Chris Jericho at WrestleMania 32 - 12-6
April 4th - Pinfall victory in Fatal 4-Way match over Cesaro, Chris Jericho and Kevin Owens on Monday Night RAW - 13-6 (to be named #1 contender for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship)
April 5th - Tag team pinfall victory (w/ Cesaro) over Chris Jericho and Kevin Owens on Smackdown - 14-6
April 11th - Pinfall victory over Sami Zayn on Monday Night RAW - 15-6
April 12th - Pinfall victory over Alberto Del Rio on Smackdown - 16-6
April 19th - Pinfall victory over The Miz on Smackdown - 17-6
April 25th - Pinfall victory over Sheamus on Monday Night RAW - 18-6
May 1st - Pinfall loss to Roman Reigns in a No DQ / No Countout match for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at WWE Payback - 18-7 (although Styles did win the match twice before those stips were added)
May 2nd - Tag team pinfall victory (w/ The Club) over Roman Reigns and The Usos on Monday Night RAW - 19-7
May 3rd - Tag team pinfall loss (w/ The Club) to Roman Reigns and The Usos on Smackdown - 19-8
May 9th - Tag team DQ loss (w/ The Club) in a Tag Elimination match to Roman Reigns and The Usos on Monday Night RAW - 19-9
May 22nd - Pinfall loss to Roman Reigns in an Extreme Rules match for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at WWE Extreme Rules - 19-10
May 23rd - Pinfall loss to Kevin Owens on Monday Night RAW - 19-11 (Money in the Bank qualification match)

Noteworthy observations...
- AJ Styles has never been submitted in a match
- AJ Styles is 0-3 against Kevin Owens in singles competition
- AJ Styles is 3-0 against The Miz in singles competition
- Y2AJ were perfect in tag team competition apart from losing their one match for the titles (perhaps they can tag again post-Money in the Bank if Balor fails to get called up)
- AJ's heel turn and The Club challenging The New Day means we should get more opportunities to see him in the ring against Xavier Woods (this is a VERY good thing)
 

Tagyhag

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I'm willing to guess that Styles wins the first match with Cena if they have it at MITB. Then some shenanigans at Battleground or whatever the July PPV is. Then the big match that Cena wins at Summerslam.

You're 100% on the money. Cena will never lose a feud.

Balor could join The Club at Battleground and they'd STILL lose at Summerslam.

I'm HOPING that Cena learned his lesson after the Nexus but I'm not so sure.
 

DeathyBoy

Banned
You're 100% on the money. Cena will never lose a feud.

Balor could join The Club at Battleground and they'd STILL lose at Summerslam.

I'm HOPING that Cena learned his lesson after the Nexus but I'm not so sure.

History proved Cena right on the Nexus. Only one worth a damn was Barrett, and he didn't turn into the total package until his Bad News Barrett phase. He wasn't ready to be 'the guy who beat Cena.'

Course, the WWE fucked up Barrett so eh.
 
Even if I get what you're saying, comparing fucking Ziggler to AJ Styles in any context blows my mind. I mean, for one thing Styles actually has options and potential to make a living outside of the WWE in wrestling.

Dolph has a standup and film career, Styles will be retired and not back in New Japan

Dolph has stood tall in his current feud two weeks in a row and won the Breeze feud, more than Styles has done in the company
 

UberTag

Member
Dolph has stood tall in his current feud two weeks in a row and won the Breeze feud, more than Styles has done in the company
His track record against The Miz would lead one to believe that Styles SHOULD want to challenge for the Intercontinental title to garner some kind of meaningful credibility. I mean, if you were 3-0 and undefeated against the current IC champ and had either 50/50d (Jericho) or lost (Reigns) your major feuds, you would think you'd want to challenge the guy.

But that's just me being logical.
 
Styles should have a great run as a champion, not used to put everyone over, and drag them to 5 star matches.

If I was owner of the WWE, it would be the hottest show on TV.
 
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