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[Pallas]

Still doesn't add up for this to continue being a thing? Out of all the AAA titles that are on game pass and still they won't reveal sales numbers even after the fact in relation to this service is very telling!

I'd hop on this too while I could but I don't see it lasting much longer!

congrats to them tho!

People been saying it won't last now for over a year and it only seems to be picking up steam.. Just imagine how much it's going to expand and blow up when Microsoft's 16 studios whip out their next games on it.

It would seem if you were correct than you would huge gains in content and services revenue, these numbers I would say at best have been flat at best. Some quarters you had huge drops. Now content is mixed in, but really all you're doing is putting money from one pocket to another.

There is little doubt that gaming at Microsoft has been basically in steady decline for 5-10 years, that is why you have these random numbers that come out.

It's not a complete Gamepass thread without your infinite wisdom.

 

[pr0cs]

Why is DanielsM aloud to post in any gamepass threads

I just have him on ignore, not like he posts anything of value and it makes Xbox (and playstation) threads a lot more enjoyable

I'm glad people are so concerned about multi-billion(trillion?) dollar companies

I'll never understand all the 'concern'. These giant faceless companies aren't your pal, their job is to suck as much money out of your pocket as possible.
Your job is to get the most value for the least amount spent.
In that regard gamepass can't be beat

 

[Kenpachii]

Pretty darn impressive.

 

[CatLady]

People been saying it won't last now for over a year and it only seems to be picking up steam.. Just imagine how much it's going to expand and blow up when Microsoft's 16 studios whip out their next games on it.



It's not a complete Gamepass thread without your infinite wisdom.

I just saw a Mod note and he's been removed from this thread so no more of his infinite wisdom tonight.

Why is it we can NEVER have a Game Pass thread without a ton of Sony fans that don't have Game Pass, can't have Game Pass, have no interest in having Game Pass yet they have to continually troll any and all Game Pass threads?

Edit: He isn't just removed from the thread he is perm'd finally

 

[BluRayHiDef]

from Satya Nadella himself.

For comparison:
Ps Now is at 1 million
EA Access is at 5 million

Damn, I guess what Microsoft fails to accomplish in regard to hardware sales it makes up in software sales. This explains why they want to continue supporting Xbox One two years into the next generation.

 

[CaptainClaw]

It was basic as the 5 games I've been using are the ones they continuously keep rehashing!

the first 3 gears games all sold over 5 million copies each so it's safe to say it could have reached it with one title but has been on the decline but neglecting 5-6 million paying customers for a rental service seems a bit naive no?

let's go to forza... another 2-4 million seller, so lets rent this one out too!

Halo... another series where those games were selling over 5-10 mill a release and yet, lets rent this bad boy out!

like really man, no way in hell they really thought this was plausible when they only have a few titles in there catalogue that would be worth that. At the end of the day they have to pay everyone who uses the service and the devs that love it are the ones making out good as there game would have never made them that type of money to begin with and you can get that from the comments in here alone!

but imma lay off, don't wanna spread negativity!

What are you talking about I actually have no clue what you're blabbing on about...Halo and Gears have been on Gamepass since it's inception and you can still buy these games physically and digitally.

Like I said 8M users paying $10 monthly is $960M a Year. If Gears 5 and FH4 and Halo 5 was to launch in the same year and sell on par with other titles within their franchises there still not doing $960M in a year. When Gamepass hits 15M the damage control is only going to get worse.

 

[Jesb]

Gamepass is the Arsenal xbox will have like how Sony's it's their 1st party lineup. I skipped on Xbox this gen but I use gamepass on pc and it's such a great value and it's offerings are not even on the same level of what's on Xbox. Now nextgen I can no longer just consider who has the best 1st party games. I have to consider what console has the best value. And gamepass I think will be hard to top. Very well could be back with an Xbox nextgen. And it would all mostly be because of gamepass.

 

[Smoke6]

What are you talking about I actually have no clue what you're blabbing on about...Halo and Gears have been on Gamepass since it's inception and you can still buy these games physically and digitally.

Like I said 8M users paying $10 monthly is $960M a Year. If Gears 5 and FH4 and Halo 5 was to launch in the same year and sell on par with other titles within their franchises there still not doing $960M in a year. When Gamepass hits 15M the damage control is only going to get worse.

One last time

with the dawn of a new gen, games like halo and forza are sure to surpass the $5mil mark. At retail those games would make $600 mill not taking into account the fees and shit! That's already 2/3 of that 900 million just off those two games alone!

so you're telling me that if I also threw in ninja theories game which all y'all seem to be excited about, that game should draw in 2 mil copies physically and you wanna rent these out and divide $1-15 bucks between these games and the rest of the pack that gets released on Gamepass monthly?

yet you still don't see what I'm laying down as you're too stuck in some battle mode instead of what's right in front of you!

you have dev costs for each game and that even included the smaller budgeted titles

expected profits- every dev can throw a number and feel there game would have been worthy of that

marketing

maintenance and upkeep

shall I keep going to show you where this service is not good for them at all? I can do this with every title released on the service which means you're paying under $0.25 per game

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I'm so exhausted of enthusiasts of any entertainment medium villifying streaming services. Things change. Convenience for the consumer always wins.

Video games aren't going anywhere.

It's not as simple as that.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Just because a game is on Game Pass, doesn't mean it never sold any copies. This is especially true for 3rd-party games where they use Game Pass to bolster long-term revenue by being on the service as well as via DLC. Additionally, it's used as a sort of advertising mechanism for newer iterations of the game. They had The Division on Game Pass where my brother played it and bought DLC. He loved the game so much that he bought 2 copies of The Division 2 Gold Edition for us to play together.

Let MS worry about profitability. Don't think that just because a 1st-party game is on Game Pass is doesn't still sell on Xbox, Win 10, and Steam. Halo Reach was reported to have sold 1-2 million copies on Steam in less than a week. That's not even considering how much cash games make from DLC these days. Fortnite is a game that's free, and it straight up prints money.

 

[CaptainClaw]

One last time

with the dawn of a new gen, games like halo and forza are sure to surpass the $5mil mark. At retail those games would make $600 mill not taking into account the fees and shit! That's already 2/3 of that 900 million just off those two games alone!

so you're telling me that if I also threw in ninja theories game which all y'all seem to be excited about, that game should draw in 2 mil copies physically and you wanna rent these out and divide $1-15 bucks between these games and the rest of the pack that gets released on Gamepass monthly?

yet you still don't see what I'm laying down as you're too stuck in some battle mode instead of what's right in front of you!

you have dev costs for each game and that even included the smaller budgeted titles

expected profits- every dev can throw a number and feel there game would have been worthy of that

marketing

maintenance and upkeep

shall I keep going to show you where this service is not good for them at all? I can do this with every title released on the service which means you're paying under $0.25 per game

Woow you really don't get it. If MS make $960M GP would have to stay at 8M users throughout the year...the numbers are going up not down so when this hits 15M users that's $1.8B a year and when hits 18M that's $2.2B if Fable + Halo Infinite and The Initiative games were to all release same year and do 5M each at $60 that is $900M...You aren't going to get Halo Infinite releasing every year. MS aren't going to put 5 of their games studio games out every year 343/Coalition/Initiative/Rare/T10 aren't going to release a game every year and not every game sells 5M copies let's start being realistic.

When Fable and Halo Infinite and Forza MS8 are in Gamepass the money for GP offsets the revenue for those games lifetime sales for that 1 year. $1B gamepass revenue will go up and up every month/year, and the next wave of of games will launch on GP and the revenue will still be going on an upward trajectory. Again at $2.2B Microsoft are going to still space their games out LMAO YOU GUYS EXPECTING XBOX TO HAVE ALL 16 STUDIO GAMES ON GP THE SAME TIME.

 

[Nikana]

One last time

with the dawn of a new gen, games like halo and forza are sure to surpass the $5mil mark. At retail those games would make $600 mill not taking into account the fees and shit! That's already 2/3 of that 900 million just off those two games alone!

so you're telling me that if I also threw in ninja theories game which all y'all seem to be excited about, that game should draw in 2 mil copies physically and you wanna rent these out and divide $1-15 bucks between these games and the rest of the pack that gets released on Gamepass monthly?

yet you still don't see what I'm laying down as you're too stuck in some battle mode instead of what's right in front of you!

you have dev costs for each game and that even included the smaller budgeted titles

expected profits- every dev can throw a number and feel there game would have been worthy of that

marketing

maintenance and upkeep

shall I keep going to show you where this service is not good for them at all? I can do this with every title released on the service which means you're paying under $0.25 per game

Show me on the doll where game pass hurt you.

 

[Nikana]

I just saw a Mod note and he's been removed from this thread so no more of his infinite wisdom tonight.

Why is it we can NEVER have a Game Pass thread without a ton of Sony fans that don't have Game Pass, can't have Game Pass, have no interest in having Game Pass yet they have to continually troll any and all Game Pass threads?

Edit: He isn't just removed from the thread he is perm'd finally

Holy shit... Party at my place. Friday night. Masks required... But nothing else

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Just because a game is on Game Pass, doesn't mean it never sold any copies. This is especially true for 3rd-party games where they use Game Pass to bolster long-term revenue by being on the service as well as via DLC. Additionally, it's used as a sort of advertising mechanism for newer iterations of the game. They had The Division on Game Pass where my brother played it and bought DLC. He loved the game so much that he bought 2 copies of The Division 2 Gold Edition for us to play together.

That's an excellent point as nobody knows how much microtrans/DLC revenue a typical game generates.

A publisher can have an old game bargain dumped at $10 and hope for the best.

Or they can dump it on GP where more people try it.

Maybe the GP method ultimate sells more sales due to sheer number of gamers buying microtrans.

Or even better, do both. Bargain binned for people who don't care about GP, and a GP version for those on sub plan. The game's front loaded sales were maybe two years ago. Now the goal is getting as many leftover XBL Sales and GP subbers for a few last coins.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I just saw a Mod note and he's been removed from this thread so no more of his infinite wisdom tonight.

Why is it we can NEVER have a Game Pass thread without a ton of Sony fans that don't have Game Pass, can't have Game Pass, have no interest in having Game Pass yet they have to continually troll any and all Game Pass threads?

Edit: He isn't just removed from the thread he is perm'd finally

Anti-Gamepass posts will drop 95% going forward.

However, I bet he has an alt-account. He supposedly took a 2.5 month hiatus. There is no way someone like him would disappear for over two months without jabbing back with his endless anti-MS and anti-GP posts.

 

[Clarissa]

Nope, I got 13 months of gamepass ultimate for 1 dollar. They had a conversion earlier where if you paid $1, it would convert your remaining XBLG membership to Gamepass Ultimate for $1 up to 36 months. Lots of people stacked 3 years of XBLG and then purchased Gamepass Ultimate for $1. So no, not $10 million a month at all. It's a great service but it surprises me how those who claim to be enthusiasts are often divorced from the reality of the matter.

Wait, so it's $1 for 3 whole years or $1 per month for 3 years??

 

[CrustyBritches]

Holy shit... Party at my place. Friday night. Masks required... But nothing else

The theme can be "Mouths Wide Shut"...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Wait, so it's $1 for 3 whole years or $1 per month for 3 years??

$1 total.

I don't know if the deal is still on but if youre interested make sure to google it to see if it's active.

What they offered (it started around E3 2019) was anyone with a Gold plan to upgrade to Gamepass Ultimate for $1 for the duration of your Gold plan.

So what happened was people found out if you stacked 3 years of Gold (the max it allowed you), and applied the $1, it carried over for the whole 3 years. I got it applied so I'm up to 2022 (after buying two more years of Gold) for a whopping $1 + tax to get GP applied till 2022.

IF (and that's a big if) this deal is still on, it's important to do the Gold membership bump up first, THEN apply the $1 deal.

People said that if you apply the $1 deal to let's say your one year of gold, and then you want to add 2 more years of gold to get 2 more years of GP for cheap, MS won't allow you to do the $1 deal again. You're then put at Gamepass regular price I think. So it looks like it;s a one shot deal and have to do it the right order to maximize the deal.

 

[Kagey K]

Wait, so it's $1 for 3 whole years or $1 per month for 3 years??

The first time you upgrade to ultimate it converts what you have left in gold to Ultimate, so people have stacked 3 years of gold and then payed the dollar. After you pay the dollar you don't pay again until the 3 years is up.

 

[Stuart360]

$1 total.

I don't know if the deal is still on but if youre interested make sure to google it to see if it's active.

What they offered (it started around E3 2019) was anyone with a Gold plan to upgrade to Gamepass Ultimate for $1 for the duration of your Gold plan.

So what happened was people found out if you stacked 3 years of Gold (the max it allowed you), and applied the $1, it carried over for the whole 3 years. I got it applied so I'm up to 2022 (after buying two more years of Gold) for a whopping $1 + tax to get GP applied till 2022.

IF (and that's a big if) this deal is still on, it's important to do the Gold membership bump up first, THEN apply the $1 deal.

People said that if you apply the $1 deal to let's say your one year of gold, and then you want to add 2 more years of gold to get 2 more years of GP for cheap, MS won't allow you to do the $1 deal again. You're then put at Gamepass regular price I think. So it looks like it;s a one shot deal and have to do it the right order to maximize the deal.

I dont think it works anymore. I saw someone elsewhere say that anyway. Maybe there are still loop holes to take advantage of.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I dont think it works anymore. I saw someone elsewhere say that anyway. Maybe there are still loop holes to take advantage of.

Ok cool.

That deal lasted a long time though. I think all last year (from E3) at minimum.

 

[DrScissorsMD]

Concern trolls, check.
Gamepass FUD, check.
Hobbygaming being a bitch and just reacting to all the FUD rather than making a post, check.
DanielsM getting BTFO and ignoring facts, check. (And permed, lmao)
People ignoring any kind of sensible discussion about growing a sub service to plug their ears with their fingers and screech "but muh revenue!!", check.

NEOGAF

 

[ZehDon]

One last time

with the dawn of a new gen, games like halo and forza are sure to surpass the $5mil mark. At retail those games would make $600 mill not taking into account the fees and shit! That's already 2/3 of that 900 million just off those two games alone!

so you're telling me that if I also threw in ninja theories game which all y'all seem to be excited about, that game should draw in 2 mil copies physically and you wanna rent these out and divide $1-15 bucks between these games and the rest of the pack that gets released on Gamepass monthly?

yet you still don't see what I'm laying down as you're too stuck in some battle mode instead of what's right in front of you!

you have dev costs for each game and that even included the smaller budgeted titles

expected profits- every dev can throw a number and feel there game would have been worthy of that

marketing

maintenance and upkeep

shall I keep going to show you where this service is not good for them at all? I can do this with every title released on the service which means you're paying under $0.25 per game

One element you've overlooked is that this isn't the sole method of acquisition for these tiles, so this isn't the only method in which reimbursement is achieved.
You're talking as if this has to cover 100% of the costs. It doesn't - that's brick and mortar thinking in a digital landscape.

Like Spotify, this is a service for people who wouldn't have bought many of these titles at all. 90% of the stuff I personally listen to on Spotify I'd never have purchased. The money the artists make is purely additional to their sales. The trade off for cheap access to all that music is that I don't own any of it. If I want to own it, or access it in a way other than Spotify, I still have to buy it. And I actually have bought stuff for exactly that reason.
This type of service lowers the barrier of entry for trying a game enormously. The developers still make money. Microsoft is using their first party muscle to drive the service, which in turn drives hardware adoption. They're bank rolling this - not developers. For developers, like Dishonoured 2's devs, this is a secondary revenue stream that might turn an underperforming title into a nice little pile of change that lowers their risk. Again, Microsoft is bank rolling this - not the developer.

 

[Stuart360]

Concern trolls, check.
Gamepass FUD, check.
Hobbygaming being a bitch and just reacting to all the FUD rather than making a post, check.
DanielsM getting BTFO and ignoring facts, check. (And permed, lmao)
People ignoring any kind of sensible discussion about growing a sub service to plug their ears with their fingers and screech "but muh revenue!!", check.

NEOGAF

DanielsM permed eh?. He's been on my ignore list for probably 6 months. Def the most tedious user on here.

 

[MrA]

If you use Microsoft rewards in the US you can earn enough points to more than pay for game pass ultimate, plus they love givin away 3 month subscriptions

 

[StreetsofBeige]

DanielsM permed eh?. He's been on my ignore list for probably 6 months. Def the most tedious user on here.

You missed it.

He self imploded with account suicide doing a Last of Us 2 leak with a troll thread tricking people it was "Druckmann responds to Last of Us Leak". Then boom. You click the thread and he posted leaks. The thread is already deleted, but he moaned about biased threads, astroturfing and the same people defending MS.

 

[Nikana]

You missed it.

He self imploded with account suicide doing a Last of Us 2 leak with a troll thread tricking people it was "Druckmann responds to Last of Us Leak". Then boom. You click the thread and he posted leaks. The thread is already deleted, but he moaned about biased threads, astroturfing and the same people defending MS.

I'd pay to see the thread.

 

[Stuart360]

You missed it.

He self imploded with account suicide doing a Last of Us 2 leak with a troll thread tricking people it was "Druckmann responds to Last of Us Leak". Then boom. You click the thread and he posted leaks. The thread is already deleted, but he moaned about biased threads, astroturfing and the same people defending MS.

That was JimmyJones, i saw that thread. Unless DanielsM did the same thing lol.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That was JimmyJones, i saw that thread. Unless DanielsM did the same thing lol.

He did the same, using JimmyJones similar thread bait tactic.

 

[CrustyBritches]

That Ultimate deal is still going. If you're new to Game Pass, it's a great way to go. I converted a year Gold Membership to Ultimate. On the other hand, I'm already paying for both of my boys to have Gold+Game Pass on their Xbox's. Mine will expire later this year. There's pretty much no way around the fact that I'll be paying over $100/year on each of us at some point. It's not a common use scenario, but we don't share games or hardware in this family. I'm not that type of dad.

 

[Stuart360]

He did the same, using JimmyJones similar thread bait tactic.

Its crazy how so many of the more hardcore fanboys have lost total control on here since the specs were revealed. Never seen so many perm bans the past month.

 

[rofif]

it is 1usd on pc. It's a crime not to sub.
I am paying them 1usd monthly for a year now and still not played anything else than gow5 and some forza4

 

[BusierDonkey]

DanielsM permed eh?. He's been on my ignore list for probably 6 months. Def the most tedious user on here.

 

[Stuart360]

At least you can laugh at TLW though, and some of the stuff he comes out with. DanielsM was just tedious and frustrating, repeating the same thing over and over and over lol.

 

[Cato]

PS fan here.
10 million subscribers? That is impressive. Congrats.

 

[pasterpl]

I am a Game pass ultimate subscriber at full cost since it launched. Still find it a great value.

EA access subs have to be driven by nfl and battlefield games as there is not much else on there (I am subscriber to this as well, as origin on pc).

in the call with investors ms mentioned that xCloud will be a part of game pass as well

 

[Deleted member 740922]

I'm interested in Streets of Rage 4. €25 on PSN or "free" with GamePass........how can I realistically be expected to pay €25 in this scenario?

Anyone downplaying the value of GamePass needs to give their head a shake.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I am a Game pass ultimate subscriber at full cost since it launched. Still find it a great value.

EA access subs have to be driven by nfl and battlefield games as there is not much else on there (I am subscriber to this as well, as origin on pc).

in the call with investors ms mentioned that xCloud will be a part of game pass as well

I think the problem with EA is that they don't launch their new games on it immediately. Would've been so much more value if every new FIFA, BF, NBA, NHL, Madden, etc. would all launch on the service from day 1. But they choose to only put at least 6 months old games on it, and give a 10% discount on new games.

 

[FeiRR]

How do you get "free" or $1 GP on PC past the initial 3-month period? Using a different email address is against their TOS.

 

[Gamezone]

Gaers Tactics just came out it.

The first party titles are great. The others aren't as good.

 

[pasterpl]

The first party titles are great. The others aren't as good.

there is quite a lot of 3rd party AAA titles there as well and some very good AA ones.

 

[Thirty7ven]

One of the big positives of this model taking off is that it pushes for more content to be produced, a lot more. Video games aren't as easy to produce as other visual mediums, so I wonder how MS plans to answer that question. How can they streamline their pipeline so that every month they have multiple debuts.

Gamepass was launched in 2017, this gen started in 2013, so basically they had 4 years of "backlog" content and the more at the tail end of the generation the better the service becomes. Very interesting to try and predict how MS will now repeat the value of the service considering the service will have to match that value at the start of the generation. Games aren't like movies/tv shows yet, they get old and dated way fucking faster there's no comparison.

 

[Neofire]

from Satya Nadella himself.

For comparison:
Ps Now is at 1 million
EA Access is at 5 million

Selling a subscription at basically dollars for hundreds of games, there is no comparison.

On top of not having ownership of the games and being leeched a subscription fee I still don't see how companies can make enough profit unless Microsoft is paying them an very very generous incentive.

 

[nikolino840]

At $1 each

Maybe...but try to think if even 5 million players have downloaded Yakuza kiwami the First month....i think we could see the next chapters in the future

 

[Deleted member 740922]

Games aren't like movies/tv shows yet, they get old and dated way fucking faster there's no comparison.

Most games take longer to play than a 2 hour film though

 

[Three]

BUT and this is the big but , psnow is not available in europe and other parts of the world outside north america and some countries that i wouldnt know about.

So it will never have the user base like gamepass.

Isn't it? I thought PS Now is available across most of Europe.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Most games take longer to play than a 2 hour film though

Sure, but I can watch a movie from the 70's and it still holds up, so it still adds considerable value. Games are as big as they are because of value proposition. You get a 4 hour game out there and ask 60$ for it and it will get dragged through the coal by reviewers and gamers. That's just a fact.

Netflix isn't filling the service with just two hour films either, but TV Shows, Series, Docs, animated.

A service like gamepass will actually open the avenue for smaller games, it might very well be one of the things it opens up for developers. A 4 hour game makes a lot of sense in a subscription based service like gamepass.

 

[martino]

Isn't it? I thought PS Now is available across most of Europe.

The problem is more most of Europe is not ready for ps now or xcloud.

 

[ILLtown]

I dont think it works anymore. I saw someone elsewhere say that anyway. Maybe there are still loop holes to take advantage of.

It does still work. They still have this at the top of the Game Pass Ultimate page: -

Joining Xbox Game Pass Ultimate will upgrade your remaining Xbox Live Gold or Xbox Game Pass for Console or Xbox Game Pass for PC time into Xbox Game Pass Ultimate for the same amount of time, up to 36 months.

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate

Play Call of Duty: Black Ops 6, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, Avowed, and more on day one and enjoy hundreds of high-quality games like Starfield, Forza Motorsport, and Diablo IV. Join friends and play together with online console multiplayer. Get premium member benefits like deals and...

www.microsoft.com

You can do the 1:1 conversion multiple times too. It's just the "1 month for £1/$1" deal that you can only do the first time you sign up, so if you let your subscription lapse then sign up again, you still get the 1:1 conversion on Gold and regular Game Pass, but you'd have to pay full price for your first month of Ultimate instead of getting it for £1/$1.

 

[Three]

The problem is more most of Europe is not ready for ps now or xcloud.

But PS Now has game downloads like game pass as well as streaming. It's not just streaming anymore.