Senator Soufflé
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I think it looks pretty good. I actually liked Hunters, though part of that was all the different rival characters. Probably the best thing Nintendo showed off imo.
Metroid Prime Federation Force Announced (Next Level, 3DS, 4 Player, Mission Based)
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The difference is that both main and spin-off F-Zero games were doing badly, whereas this seems like a relatively inexpensive experimentation.
Don't get me wrong, if you're disappointed, you're disappointed. I don't think anyone is wrong to dislike the game. It's just people acting as though the existence of this game somehow ruins the entire franchise that I think is a step too far.
I'm also not saying that you're necessarily saying that, I'm just speaking in general.
DrROBschiz
Member
I really feel bad for the people who made this game
This isnt their fault and they have to take the heat as collateral. ..
Nintendo hung em out to try cuz they dont give a shit about metroid fans
This isnt their fault and they have to take the heat as collateral. ..
Nintendo hung em out to try cuz they dont give a shit about metroid fans
Let's be fair, MP2's multiplayer was horrible and it was about as bare-bones as you can get. Hunters multiplayer was fun if ruined by hacking.
Simbabbad
Member
... and trashed on message boards until release. And a good chunk of people kept complaining after launch. And Fusion got trashed and still is - you even recently laughed at people saying they preferred Fusion to Super Metroid in some GAF thread. And Echoes nearly bombed and got bashed a lot. And Corruption was accused of betraying Metroid. Etc.
Skimming through the thread, does it seem like the posts calling people who are disappointed "Butthurt, Entitled, etc..." seem sycophantic to anyone else? I mean, positivity is one thing, but a lack of understanding why people would be disappointed is another.
Like, nobody would go and say that Shenmue fans were being entitled when they had only the browser game to go on.
(Or maybe I'm just a delusional, paranoid twat.)
Like, nobody would go and say that Shenmue fans were being entitled when they had only the browser game to go on.
(Or maybe I'm just a delusional, paranoid twat.)
Beelzebufo
Banned
So I guess Other M broke the cycle by still being universally loathed after release?
MaverickHunterX
Member
So, about the game...
It is touchscreen based, or does it have alternative controls as well? (Like the original MP: Hunters)
It is touchscreen based, or does it have alternative controls as well? (Like the original MP: Hunters)
My problem is I think the people who expected a Metroid game that would make them happy on Wii U are delusional. Nintendo isn't going to knowingly light a mountain of money on fire. Maybe next console.
Even then, none of the previous Metroid games, NONE of them were universally loathed the same way Federation Farce was.
CastorTroy
Member
A really talented developer is making a spin off on a hand held system.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Furenlazor
Member
No Metroid at all would be better than this. What a shame.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
Simbabbad
Member
Oh, Fusion is still trashed a lot and it's not hard to find someone who'd trash Echoes or Corruption.
But Other M really got beyond the usual cycle with the completely nuts "OMG sexist" hysteria wave. Which is hilarious, since all the evil characters in the game are men, and all the positive/developed characters are women minus only two men, one being Black and the other sacrificing himself to avoid Samus sacrificing herself, because that man thought she was much more powerful and important for the safety of the Federation than he was. It's always funny to see a feminist game being bashed by SJW.
But nah, it's not "universally loathed", it's just that the mob that hates it makes people not post in threads about it. But it's pretty popular in the "unpopular opinion" threads.
And it probably bombed mostly because of brand recognition and a Wii at the end of its life and destroyed by piracy rather than quality.
NecromorphTX
Member
WHAT THE FUCK NINTENDO
I think you can please Metroid fans without developing a big HD game. For example, the game I was after was a 2D game in the style of Super on the 3DS. And I imagine that kind of game would have been received positively considering the last one was Fusion.
Other M fans actually believe this.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I mean yeah, some people don't like those games, but everyone hates Other M. And the game is fundamentally sexist and murders Samus's character haha.
I don't think you understand what happened in the plot. You just like read the script while ignoring what actually happened.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
To be honest, Other M's metacritic score should have been indicative of an over-reactive fan reaction, anyway. Even Sticker Star sits pretty at 75, but if you went by what some fans said, you'd think it was Sonic 06-tier.
That feel when Other M has a higher metacritic than Paper Mario Sticker Star
...I actually really dig the audio in this.
I actually agree with this but honestly I've been waiting for Metroid Dread since the first rumours. By the look of things, Ghost Song is the closest I'll get.
blast processed
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They could have done rebranded Fast Racing NEO into F-ZERO to move sales but they didn't.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Because there is always going to be a group that says "Oh that's no a X game, it does everything different. I hate it", and then there is going to be a group that says "It's the same damn game all the time".
Metroid Fusion is one of my favorite games ever. I could care less about the Prime 2 or Prime 3. Well I sort of liked Prime 3.
balladofwindfishes
Member
So thinking more about the game, the foundation for an actually really great game is there.
And the story and missions would be about the Federation cleaning up the wrecked planets in a post-Phazon galaxy. Planets with invasive species, giant monsters driven mad by Phazon withdrawal, and special Pirate created hybrids that the federation wants for "reasons above your security clearance." It would be co-op and you'd have to travel around these planets and kill or capture the particular animal as per the mission. Sort of full on Monster Hunter. Except the monsters would be insane from Phazon. Or rather a lack of Phazon that they had become fatally addicted to.
The style wouldn't be chibi at all, but rather more based on the actual Prime series.
Battle Ball would be the chibi style or whatever and would be a time wasting multiplayer minigame and have no relevance at all and nobody would care about it. It would be Prime 2 Multiplayer levels of not caring. I would honestly just drop this part and focus entirely on making a neat first person Monster Hunter clone set in the Metroid universe.
Since it's post Phazon, you can visit some of the planets from the Prime games and see what they're like without Pirates or Phazon or anything. You have to hunt stuff like Flaagra spawns or leftover Ing or whatever. Basically play up the Prime nostalgia really heavy.
I think this game needs work.
- The art is kind of boring and very out of style for the Metroid series. It feels like a Nintendo Land minigame, not a Prime spin off. We've had two Prime spinoffs already and they still looked like they belonged in the Metroid universe.
- The world and the new enemies are so generic. Why is the giant monster called "Ice Monster." How can you keep a straight face after fighting Shriekbats and Zoomers and then kill something called "Ice Monster" Yea, no. Develop a world. Retro did all the heavy lifting, take their creatures and run with it. Why is this Ice Monster not some variant of a Sheegoth. Call it "Alpha Sheegoth" and run with that. Retro even had a design for an alpha Sheegoth they never used. Just steal it. Write some lore too. Maybe not a scan visor, but add a bestiary.
- Battleball looks dumb. Just drop it. Like it doesn't need to exist, you already have a multiplayer game, you don't need some side mode nobody will play taking resources from world building and refining the real game.
I hope in the 1 year they have until release they take a good look at what they can do to improve the premise. The idea is there. It can work, I know it can. Exploring creatures and nature in the Metroid series would be awesome. A first person Monster Hunter can be awesome.
And the story and missions would be about the Federation cleaning up the wrecked planets in a post-Phazon galaxy. Planets with invasive species, giant monsters driven mad by Phazon withdrawal, and special Pirate created hybrids that the federation wants for "reasons above your security clearance." It would be co-op and you'd have to travel around these planets and kill or capture the particular animal as per the mission. Sort of full on Monster Hunter. Except the monsters would be insane from Phazon. Or rather a lack of Phazon that they had become fatally addicted to.
The style wouldn't be chibi at all, but rather more based on the actual Prime series.
Battle Ball would be the chibi style or whatever and would be a time wasting multiplayer minigame and have no relevance at all and nobody would care about it. It would be Prime 2 Multiplayer levels of not caring. I would honestly just drop this part and focus entirely on making a neat first person Monster Hunter clone set in the Metroid universe.
Since it's post Phazon, you can visit some of the planets from the Prime games and see what they're like without Pirates or Phazon or anything. You have to hunt stuff like Flaagra spawns or leftover Ing or whatever. Basically play up the Prime nostalgia really heavy.
I think this game needs work.
- The art is kind of boring and very out of style for the Metroid series. It feels like a Nintendo Land minigame, not a Prime spin off. We've had two Prime spinoffs already and they still looked like they belonged in the Metroid universe.
- The world and the new enemies are so generic. Why is the giant monster called "Ice Monster." How can you keep a straight face after fighting Shriekbats and Zoomers and then kill something called "Ice Monster" Yea, no. Develop a world. Retro did all the heavy lifting, take their creatures and run with it. Why is this Ice Monster not some variant of a Sheegoth. Call it "Alpha Sheegoth" and run with that. Retro even had a design for an alpha Sheegoth they never used. Just steal it. Write some lore too. Maybe not a scan visor, but add a bestiary.
- Battleball looks dumb. Just drop it. Like it doesn't need to exist, you already have a multiplayer game, you don't need some side mode nobody will play taking resources from world building and refining the real game.
I hope in the 1 year they have until release they take a good look at what they can do to improve the premise. The idea is there. It can work, I know it can. Exploring creatures and nature in the Metroid series would be awesome. A first person Monster Hunter can be awesome.
Fast Racing Neo isn't a Nintendo-game.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I mean the whole things terrible, but I'd argue normalized sexism in a game meant for children is pretty bad. Worse than some hack plot holes.
Shh, don't let anyone know. It's the end of Metroid as we know it.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
Eh... I tried both MP modes once each. That was enough for me. Hunters MP had more depth, but had an inferior control scheme. MP2 MP was the polar opposite.
lol, people hacked Hunters though? That's hilarious.
Ass shots like we were playing Mass Effect 2.
I don't think this game looks particularly interesting but leave it to GAF to take a "meh" looking game and take it as a personal insult or a "desecration" of the franchise. I am super curious as to what Retro is up to though. I'd also love it if Nintendo could do a smaller budget, 2.5D Super Metroid style game (that would be a nice "spinoff") but I worry people won't be satisfied with a smaller scale title?
It's no worse than what's standard. Would it be better without? Certainly, but removing the sexism doesn't make Other M's story beats any more gratifying or its loose ends any less slack. It's like piss icing on a shit pie.
You take it off, it's still a shit pie.
Yeah, I suppose that could be done. I wasn't really thinking 2D. I apologize for the blasphemy.
Beelzebufo
Banned
That's true, but they have the potential do actual real world harm, which is worse than making a game in the Metroid series have a story that doesn't make sense.
And it's certainly worse than quite a few games I'd say, especially since up until that point Samus was one of Nintendo's best female characters. Not anymore...
AzureTranquility95
Banned
If there's one thing you can't criticize Fusion for, is for lacking in the gameplay department. It was a bit bogged down with the constant navigation room visits, though. Their existence in and of itself isn't bad but you're forced to visit them way too frequently. Once per area would have been enough.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
Even Metroid Prime Pinball 2?
Also, why isn't Super Metroid 2/3 considered a gaming unicorn like FF7 remake or Shenmue 3 used to be?