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[wild wild rice]

Has anyone taken the time to watch the Treehouse segment? Has it changed your opinion at all? I went from BLASPHEMY FUCK NINTENCUNT BASTARDS to a stage of acceptance and ultimately to the point of thinking it's got the potential to be quite fun.

Of course I'm looking forward to the next Super/Prime/Whatever Metroid game. I just don't think this is quite as horrific as the initial reaction we all had. Honestly, if it were out now I'd probably scoop it up from Best Buy after work. I came to a better understanding after watching the Treehouse segment.

 

[b4mv]

This reminds me of Jet Force Gemini a ton more than Metroid.

 

[fhqwhgads]

They don't, the games they have made for Nintendo, Mario Strikers 1 & 2, Punch Out and Luigis Mansion 2 have all been really good. People should chill out and give them a chance. This week must have been rough on them

Exactly. Next Level Games knows how to make shit work. They've added Multiplayer into both Punch Out and Luigi's Mansion, games that were previously solo only experiences, and now they're doing something new with a step into a Multiplayer focused game. I have full faith they're going to do something great, rather than bitch and moan because we didn't get Prime 4 by Retro

Spoiler

It's not happening and Metroid Dread isn't happening either let your pipe dream rumours die already damn it

 

[NotLiquid]

Has anyone taken the time to watch the Treehouse segment? Has it changed your opinion at all?

I went from BLASPHEMY FUCK NINTENCUNT BASTARDS to a stage of acceptance and ultimately to the point of thinking it's got the potential to be quite fun.

Of course I'm looking forward to the next Super/Prime/Whatever Metroid game. I just don't think this is quite as horrific as the initial reaction we all had.

Honestly, if it were out now I'd probably scoop it up from Best Buy after work.

I'm tired of being angry about it myself. It's not exactly a game that's wholly offensive towards it's franchise like Other M, and it doesn't even look remotely as bad as it either.

If this was made during the Wii era it would probably have been received favorably just because we had other things to fall back on, since we haven't gotten a Metroid game in a while it feels admittedly like a slap in the face. But this for me is just another game that seems like it will be pretty fun, Metroid iconography or not.

 

[Metroxed]

Now that you've compared them I think I actually like these little color-coded chibi feds. They've got more personality in their design, which makes sense considering that classic federation grunts were just designed to be environmental decorations for Samus to stumble across every now and then.

And wasn't it possible for the Federation marines of FF to still be stylized (they do look plain in MP3, but they were very minor characters) without making them look like toys? They could've given colour to the marines' suits without making them look like they're part of a cartoon show.

And it's not just the marines, it's everything.

There were many ways they could've handled this, and I think they've chosen the worst possible form.

I repeat, I would've really liked if FF had the same premise it has now but with an artstyle more reminiscent of Metroid, perhaps with updated Prime Hunters graphics. And it isn't like the 3DS isn't powerful enough. If the DS could run Hunters and the 3DS could run RE: Revelations a Prime-looking game for the 3DS was more than possible.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Has it changed your opinion at all?

Uh, no. If this didn't have the Metroid name on it, and was like an eShop game, sure. But this isn't a Metroid game, no matter how much they sell it to me that it is.

 

[Kurtofan]

You know they made Metroid Prime Pinball before this right?

It's a spin-off, I wouldn't qualify Link's Crossbow a real Zelda game but it's still there.

 

[OmegaSmash]

From what I've seen, the game looks very "anti-NLG". As in, it lacks the charm and charisma that their games usually have, making the game look very bland compared to their previous stuff. Plus, I'm skeptical of what the single player content is going to be.

 

[Diablohead]

You know they made Metroid Prime Pinball before this right?

It's a spin-off, I wouldn't qualify Link's Crossbow a real Zelda game but it's still there.

yeah but when pinball was made nintendo were still making main line metroid games, this is the first metroid branded game we have had in a while and it's... a spinoff.

That's why people are upset, myself included.

 

[wild wild rice]

From what I've seen, the game looks very "anti-NLG". As in, it lacks the charm and charisma that their games usually have, making the game look very bland compared to their previous stuff. Plus, I'm skeptical of what the single player content is going to be.

Did they mention there will be any SP content?

Blastball reminds me of that Anarchy Reigns soccer mode.

 

[KuroPyonyo]

Has anyone taken the time to watch the Treehouse segment? Has it changed your opinion at all?

Yes I did, but just no. Completly ignoring metroid you are still left with a first person shooter on the 3DS. The 3DS isn't build for a game like this. Horrible ergonomics, bad graphics and that game will probably drain the battery hard. After that it's a game that is best played multiplayer. On a handheld there is no way there will be proper internet everywhere and the chance of local coop happening is even lower.

So I am left with a game that's only playable at home, where I could be playing splatoon or whatever instead.

 

[diaspora]

yeah but when pinball was made nintendo were still making main line metroid games, this is the first metroid branded game we have had in a while and it's... a spinoff.

That's why people are upset, myself included.

Can you imagine if it was labeled as "Half Life" and not Metroid?

 

[danwu]

Has anyone taken the time to watch the Treehouse segment? Has it changed your opinion at all? I went from BLASPHEMY FUCK NINTENCUNT BASTARDS to a stage of acceptance and ultimately to the point of thinking it's got the potential to be quite fun.

Of course I'm looking forward to the next Super/Prime/Whatever Metroid game. I just don't think this is quite as horrific as the initial reaction we all had. Honestly, if it were out now I'd probably scoop it up from Best Buy after work. I came to a better understanding after watching the Treehouse segment.

Yep, yesterday's treehouse blastball segment was well a blast !!! The multiplayer games were full on, competitive, fun and engaging. Very unique yet offers lots of different strategies.

 

[KDR_11k]

Between Fusion, Other M and Prime 3 Metroid has disappointed me enough that I don't get upset by another one. What worries me more is the talk about this being necessary to set up the story background for the next Metroid. Metroid shouldn't have a story background, you should be exploring the unknown, not the known fall of the Chozo and the unethical experiments of the Federation and pirates. As far as lacking Samus I consider that a plus, we've already seen what she can do and we know which powerups they're likely going to recycle in every game. It's more exciting to find something weird like the Axiom Verge Labcoat than the Screw Attack again.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

You know they made Metroid Prime Pinball before this right?

It's a spin-off, I wouldn't qualify Link's Crossbow a real Zelda game but it's still there.

Round and round we go.

 

[wild wild rice]

Yep, yesterday's treehouse blastball segment was well a blast !!! The multiplayer games were full on, competitive, fun and engaging. Very unique yet offers lots of different strategies.

See, the Blastball stuff I'm not totally sold on. Would definitely have to try it out to know whether I dig it or not, but I'm willing to give it a shot. What changed after watching Treehouse was my impression of the 4-player stuff.

 

[Vital Tundra]

The idea is there, but the artstyle betrays the series.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

So if I am understanding everyone is pissed that this isn't a Wii U game?

 

[OmegaSmash]

Also, there better be at least preset text messages for the online stuff since I really doubt there's going to be any voice chat.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Also, there better be at least preset text messages for the online stuff since I really doubt there's going to be any voice chat.

Funny enough, Prime Hunters was one of the first Nintendo games to support voice chat, if not the actual first.

 

[MouldyK]

From what I've seen, the game looks very "anti-NLG". As in, it lacks the charm and charisma that their games usually have, making the game look very bland compared to their previous stuff. Plus, I'm skeptical of what the single player content is going to be.

Playing through MP1 recently...I think that game had little charm and was bland in some areas too...like the Snow and Volcano environment.

 

[wild wild rice]

Aesthetically, I'll take chibi troopers over that horrific concept art that leaked.

 

[Bjoern the Smexy]

They should have never branded it as a Metroid game

Hands down the only thing wrong here. Otherwise it seems like a nice addition to the 3DS library

Yup.
But I can look past a title of a game. If it looks interesting, chances are I play it.
For example, I despise (sp?) the Kinect *whatever* games. But if they took the series in a new direction, for example make a good platformer out of it or something, then I'd probably play it somewhere down the line. It may take a year or two but I will get there. If it's off my radar until then, it probably wasn't interesting enough.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Playing through MP1 recently...I think that game had little charm and was bland in some areas too...like the Snow and Volcano environment.

Magmoor I'll somewhat agree with (and it's pretty evident they had ideas for this area that never panned out)

But not Phendrana. Nearly everyone I know who likes Prime considers that part of the game to be the best built part of the game. Stepping into Phendrana Drifts for the first time, hearing the music playing in that large open area with platforms everywhere.

Everyone who has played the game knows that area and that scene and that music.

 

[Qurupeke]

The game should have been Anthony's meeting with Samus...

Spoiler

It would probably gather more hate.

 

[Tom_Cody]

So if I am understanding everyone is pissed that this isn't a Wii U game?

I don't know who this is directed at. As far as I can tell, these are the camps:

1) People who mad that a proper AAA Metroid (either 2D or Prime) wasn't announced.

2) People who recognize this for what it is (3D shooter for 3DS from Next Level) who are excited about it (I am in this camp).

3) People who recognize this for what it is but aren't interested.

I haven't seen anyone who wants Federation Force, but specifically on Wii U and not 3DS.

 

[Metroxed]

The game should have been Anthony's meeting with Samus...

From Reddit: http://imgur.com/gallery/Zm5Z5/

 

[Tom_Cody]

They should have never branded it as a Metroid game

Hands down the only thing wrong here. Otherwise it seems like a nice addition to the 3DS library

This game is just a victim of context. Fans of the series have been left in the dark since the poorly received OTHER M.

It boggles my mind that Nintendo is so tone deaf to think that context would not play a role here when they show this

I guess? I mean, I guess I can agree with you as it relates to the fan reaction.

Speaking personally, I love 4 Swords and I'm looking forward to both Triforce Heroes and Federation Force. I still can't understand the aneurysms that are occurring over this announcement.

 

[Omega Kirby]

Source that they're doing any this?

that's what I thought

A teaser that can last ten seconds Is hardly a big feat, slap on a placeholder name and say coming soon or in development and done it will accomplish it's mission. Silence the whiny entitled brats.

 

[DrROBschiz]

I guess? I mean, I guess I can agree with you as it relates to the fan reaction.

Speaking personally, I love 4 Swords and I'm looking forward to both Triforce Heroes and Federation Force. I still can't understand the aneurysms that are occurring over this announcement.

Its all expectations versus reality and quite honestly being tone deaf ourselves

We keep making the same mistakes and expecting Nintendo to play to our expectations instead of their own

They will not engage us. Never. Yet somehow they still make software that keeps us coming back to defend them lol

Its a vicious cycle being a Nintendo fan but to this day they have never had a High ranking member of the company that empathizes with the Core Nintendo Player

Miyamoto's head is in the clouds, Aonuma would rather not be talking to people, Reggie is a company man and is aloof and Blue Ocean/Big Picture focused.

The only Nintendo people that may come close to identifying with any of this is the low level treehouse people and they aren't going to challenge the powers that be

I personally feel Iwata wants to be out saviour but he also has to be a company man and honestly he is far more interested in Blue Ocean than falling back on his roots.

 

[Toxi]

Playing through MP1 recently...I think that game had little charm and was bland in some areas too...like the Snow and Volcano environment.

While I think the sequels had more interesting-looking environments (nothing beats Sanctuary Fortress), the first Prime still does a good job of making its areas feel lively. For example, the initial descent into Magmoor is one of the most atmospheric and moody Metroid moments thanks to the unique music that builds up to the normal Magmoor theme.

 

[MicH]

So if I am understanding everyone is pissed that this isn't a Wii U game?

No. People are starved for a new Metroid game and hoped the Direct would give us a new one - be it Wii U or 3DS. Instead we got this generic shooter with the Metroid name slapped on it. That's why a large amount of people are disappointed

 

[Garlador]

No. People are starved for a new Metroid game and hoped the Direct would give us a new one - be it Wii U or 3DS. Instead we got this generic shooter with the Metroid name slapped on it. That's why a large amount of people are disappointed

I just got the biggest flashback to 2001... "They turned Metroid into a generic shooter!"

Also, around that time...

I can NEVER forget that meltdown. It was historic. People lost their minds. "How dare Nintendo!" "The series is now for babies!" "This is awful!" "Zelda is supposed to be mature!" "Zelda's dead."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I just got the biggest flashback to 2001... "They turned Metroid into a generic shooter!"

Also, around that time...

I can NEVER forget that meltdown. It was historic. People lost their minds. "How dare Nintendo!" "The series is now for babies!" "This is awful!" "Zelda is supposed to be mature!" "Zelda's dead."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Once again, if this game turns out as good as Prime or Wind Waker, please bump the thread and gloat.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Once again, if this game turns out as good as Prime or Wind Waker, please bump the thread and gloat.

Lol no way its going to happen

People should give the game a fair shake though

 

[wild wild rice]

Once again, if this game turns out as good as Prime or Wind Waker, please bump the thread and gloat.

Eh, it's not a mainline entry so it wouldn't make sense to compare it to Prime or WW.

 

[RobotVM]

Metroid is a name brand. Just like Halo is a name brand. Not every Halo games has Master Chief or even a halo for that matter. Metroid is the same deal not every game in the series has to have a metroid or Samus to be good. I think some of you guys need to give it a chance. Geez even The Legend of Zelda has had games that didn't feature Link or Zelda.

 

[Zubz]

You know they made Metroid Prime Pinball before this right?

It's a spin-off, I wouldn't qualify Link's Crossbow a real Zelda game but it's still there.

On top of the done-to-death "We haven't had a new Metroid in 5 years, and that was Other M, so we've really been waiting 8 years" argument that doesn't apply to Prime Pinball, it still had a Metroid aesthetic. Not only was Samus the ball, but the environments looked detailed (Better than this game's despite the decade or so difference, honestly), there were Metroid enemies that showed up (Instead of "Ice Beasts") complete with a Meta Ridley bossfight, and various other Metroid elements like Morph Ball Bombs and the screw attack insignia were everywhere.

Spin-off or not, it honestly felt like a Metroid Prime-themed pinball game. Thanks to the change in art style for the GF troopers, the only thing we have confirming this is a Metroid game is the title and the fact that the redshirts are called Galactic Federation Troopers. Even in an ice area that could be argued as "Phendrana Drifts in a simplistic art style," it's just called a Snow Planet, and instead of the Sheegoths, we're seeing "Ice Beasts" (I still can't get over that name!).

There's a reason people thought Blast Ball was a new IP when it showed up in the NWC, with only a few people "calling it" about it being a Metroid spin-off. Samus and Metroids apparently do show up, but all we have to back that up is some developer's word, and even then, it sounded like a cameo and a single mission, respectively. I think some people are upset that this is a Metroid game, when it clearly could have just been a new IP (And at this point, they might just make it one; this backlash might be overly dramatic, but it can't be good in the long-run). These people didn't want to see the series back unless it was a Prime 4 or a Fusion follow-up. Personally, I'd've been fine with a spin-off, like a game starring Anthony Higgs, Sylux, or Ridley, but this game just looks uninspired to me.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Metroid is a name brand. Just like Halo is a name brand. Not every Halo games has Master Chief or even a halo for that matter. Metroid is the same deal not every game in the series has to have a metroid or Samus to be good. I think some of you guys need to give it a chance. Geez even The Legend of Zelda has had games that didn't feature Link or Zelda.

Thats not the core issue

In context of the series viewed as a whole is where is becomes problem

You dont release spin off games for neglected/damn near dead series.

You make them to accompany or follow major releases to keep the awareness going and branch out the brand

 

[SuperSah]

Metroid is a name brand. Just like Halo is a name brand. Not every Halo games has Master Chief or even a halo for that matter. Metroid is the same deal not every game in the series has to have a metroid or Samus to be good. I think some of you guys need to give it a chance. Geez even The Legend of Zelda has had games that didn't feature Link or Zelda.

Buh we have no M3tr01d 4 yearzzzzz111!111!

It's the mentality of people getting this down, really.

 

[Garlador]

Once again, if this game turns out as good as Prime or Wind Waker, please bump the thread and gloat.

What if it turns out as "good" as, instead, Four Swords? Because Zelda Four Swords used the cartoony art-style, had linear levels, was competitive multiplayer, and was convoluted as hell to set up and play.

... and was still fun.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I don't believe Metroid is a dead or neglected IP at risk of losing its identity from watered down spin offs, as many people seem to feel. Samus has camoed in quite a few games, Samus is still a featured character in Smash, Samus is used in all sorts of marketing. Just recently Jakks made a Samus action figure and a Metroid toy. Metroid was also one of the key Nintendo IPs in Nintendo Land, being one of the largest games in the collection.

So it's not like the brand is dead and the series has been ignored since Other M.

Metroid isn't really comparable to pre-Brawl Kid Icarus, Pre-Wii Punchout, Golden Sun, Custom Robo, Advance Wars etc. Those series really are/were forgotten and "dead." It's not like the public have forgotten the Metroid series even exists.

 

[PBalfredo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

It hinders development of something people might have actually wanted.

Fuck this one bird in hand, there could be gooooold in the bush!

 

[Broritos]

I don't believe Metroid is a dead or neglected IP at risk of losing its identity from watered down spin offs, as many people seem to feel. Samus has camoed in quite a few games, Samus is still a featured character in Smash, Samus is used in all sorts of marketing. Just recently Jakks made a Samus action figure and a Metroid toy. Metroid was also one of the key Nintendo IPs in Nintendo Land, being one of the largest games in the collection.

So it's not like the brand is dead and the series has been ignored since Other M.

Metroid isn't really comparable to pre-Brawl Kid Icarus, Pre-Wii Punchout, Golden Sun, Custom Robo, Advance Wars etc. Those series really are/were forgotten and "dead." It's not like the public have forgotten the Metroid series even exists.

This^.

A lot of people pretend Metroid is dead just because they didn't like Other M. Nintendo usually releases one or two mainline titles of a series every gen. Last gen and the gen before that, they released two mainline Metroid games per gen.

People need to relax.

 

[MicH]

I just got the biggest flashback to 2001... "They turned Metroid into a generic shooter!"

Also, around that time...

I can NEVER forget that meltdown. It was historic. People lost their minds. "How dare Nintendo!" "The series is now for babies!" "This is awful!" "Zelda is supposed to be mature!" "Zelda's dead."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Imagine it had been 5 years since the last Zelda game and the only Zelda announcement was a spin-off starring Tingle with no mention on whether a new traditional Zelda game is in development. That's how this feels

 

[TheSlySoul]

Metroid is a name brand. Just like Halo is a name brand. Not every Halo games has Master Chief or even a halo for that matter. Metroid is the same deal not every game in the series has to have a metroid or Samus to be good. I think some of you guys need to give it a chance. Geez even The Legend of Zelda has had games that didn't feature Link or Zelda.

Well there hasn't been a good Halo since 3 and a good Metroid since Prime 3.
So I guess it fits!

 

[PBalfredo]

Man, thank god we received absolutely no Metroid games during the N64 era. If they had given us a spin-off back then half of the posters here would have slit their wrists.

 

[diaspora]

Yes I did, but just no. Completly ignoring metroid you are still left with a first person shooter on the 3DS. The 3DS isn't build for a game like this. Horrible ergonomics, bad graphics and that game will probably drain the battery hard. After that it's a game that is best played multiplayer. On a handheld there is no way there will be proper internet everywhere and the chance of local coop happening is even lower.

So I am left with a game that's only playable at home, where I could be playing splatoon or whatever instead.

To be honest, first person isn't really the issue at hand. The game in general looks terrible and on top of that it's a multiplayer/ coop shooter. Even something like No Man's Sky is a more fitting Metroid game with the solitary exploration of hostile/peaceful worlds.

 

[Tom_Cody]

More Treehouse live footage. This time focusing on Blast Ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkEctMONda0

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Eh, it's not a mainline entry so it wouldn't make sense to compare it to Prime or WW.

I didn't make the comparison.

What if it turns out as "good" as, instead, Four Swords? Because Zelda Four Swords used the cartoony art-style, had linear levels, was competitive multiplayer, and was convoluted as hell to set up and play.

... and was still fun.

Garlador didn't compare Federation Force to Four Swords.