Retromelon
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Jesus. "Rubio, you ice cream man, why are you destroying america from within? *Starts foaming at the mouth and screaming* WHAT ABOUT BORDERS LANGUAGE AND CULTURE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, I COINED THE TERM COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE"
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shinra-bansho
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Also Carson achieved what he wanted. Sell more books and slip in some product placement.
No way. I'm not Diablosing, but I definitely think a lot of Dems are underestimating Rubio. Yes, the demographics are heavily in the Dems favor. Yes, Rubio will be defending shitty GOP positions. Yes, Hispanics still support Hillary by a fairly wide margin.
All that said, Rubio is young and pretty damn crafty with his answers. Watching his CNN interview over the weekend, this debate, and any other performance, he is pretty damn adept at weaseling out of a tough question and flashing a smile to deflect the questioner. Never underestimate how shallow the American public can be.
benjipwns
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yessss yessss make it happen
Um, pretty much any clip that doesn't involve him grabbing his water bottle is better than Romney talking about something.
RustyNails
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Thinking it was the Huckabee's Trump Tie.
lols when Jeb tried edging in there with a Mexico joke
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-wilson-called-it
Oh, it was definitely "you should resign"
Oh, it was definitely "you should resign"
Romney is the driest, least-boisterous wet fart in existence then.
The Technomancer
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Yeah I thought as much
You're underselling Romney here. Matter of fact, it's a robbery. Rubio and Romney are worlds apart, one is a kid, the other actually looked presidential. Rubio total and complete exposure will come in due time. Can't deal with his Congress voting record and attendance - deflect deflect on liberal media - yeah that's going to work out in the general NOT..... flip flopped on his own emigration bill etc etc (no wonder he can't rile up the base unlike Trump, Carson etc).... he gets by with soft scrutiny but it's just that soft scrutiny. He has that young personality appeal with sharp eloquence but he's not as sharp. The rape/abortion stance will be golden in the general too....I assume he will flip and flop on that one. The current GOP field makes him look like an all-star.
RustyNails
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In fairness, he's related to two potential 7 figure donors.
jk, he's fucking done. get off the stage :U
Officerrob
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That narrative that the Democratic debate was nothing but softballs is hilarious. The first question was about Hillary flip flopping and if she will say anything to get elected.
metalslimer
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It's amazing how only a few months ago people were freaking out over jebs. Then again Scott walker was still a thing lol
Not to mention Cooper destroyed Chafee's candidacy on the spot with his questions about the bank bill he voted for.
Totally gonna use this next time, unless he really shits the bed with something good.
Rubio is boring wimp. There was nothing in there that didn't sound like he hadn't rehearsed it a dozen times. Romney has that wheeling and dealing wall street confidence to him like cocaine fueled Mcconaughey does in Wolf of Wall Street.
benjipwns
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Can you destroy a candidacy polling at 0.0%? 0.2%?
RustyNails
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Best description of Romney I've heard ever :lol
Nice try but I'm not getting dragged into another is 0.9999 equal to 1 argument on the interwebz.
The establishment has found their new horse. Will the powers that be continue to restraint with Jeb?
cartoon_soldier
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In all cases, Rubio would be the last preference for Hillary to face in 2016. I also think people are always underestimating him and that gives him a big strength over others.
I expect Rubio to now consolidate and move in front of the rest of the pack over next month.
I expect Rubio to now consolidate and move in front of the rest of the pack over next month.
He left off the part where Rubio slapped him in the face.
theprodigy
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Few months from now:
"It's amazing how only a few months ago some people were freaking out over Carson."
Marco has a "who won the debate" poll on his page
https://marcorubio.com/who-do-you-think-won-the-cnbc-debate/
...but it's just a dirty trick to get you to donate to him. Curses!
https://marcorubio.com/who-do-you-think-won-the-cnbc-debate/
...but it's just a dirty trick to get you to donate to him. Curses!
I am on the opposite side of that view. He's a paper tiger. Always has been, always will be. It will take more than a month to send Jeb to 1%, to send Fiorina to 1%, Cruz is not going to drop from his current position and neither will Trump or Carson by big percentage points. So where does Rubio get the bump from? Jeb only? That's not quite enough. Dude just literally "won" by smacking down Jeb (Trump has done this plenty of times...) and deflecting on a poor record. When it comes to establishment candidates sure he "won" the supposed establishment fight (a no-substance back and forth) but he didn't do anything for the crazy base.
shinra-bansho
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Meh. I don't know. I think people are overestimating him as some sort of GOP Obama, when he's not really shown any of the soaring rhetorical flourish and ability to engender followership that he did.
He was outstaged by Clint Eastwood talking to a chair and the only thing anybody remembers about his other major speech is that he dehydrates easily.
He gets flustered when pressed by journalists seemingly.
He can smack down Jeb! because Jeb! is! useless!
But he'd probably look like a child against Clinton's experience and grasp of policy.
Yeah, do you guys remember Biden vs. Ryan? It will be like that except Rubio will get more flustered.
cartoon_soldier
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Which is why he always outperforms expectations, people look at him and go really?
He has the uncanny ability to weave right wing policies into sounding saner, his fly below the radar persona all help him.
Clinton would still start out strongest, but if anybody in this field can give her a good fight its Rubio.
A rare case of Nate changing his mind:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maybe-republicans-really-are-in-disarray/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maybe-republicans-really-are-in-disarray/
Bam Bam Baklava
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Rubio seemed to be getting his ass kicked for that brief spell when Trump was attacking him. He's lucky Trump is distracted by Carson now.
Retromelon
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Going into that debate i thought ryan was going to dig biden and consequently obama's dreams of a second term a shallow grave. He was the policy wonk, the whiz kid! And he looked american as fuck, like politician material.
Anyway, since nobody I root for is bound to win all I want is ted cruz and rubio to flame out and dive off a cliff in spectacular wile e coyote fashion
Expectations? Those seem to be pretty low. Dude is stuck at what? 10%? You would think after all his "great performances" he would be leading the pack. The bar is too damn low if all you have to do is sift through soft scrutiny and benefit from being a fresh face.
RustyNails
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Poor Jeb probably rehearsed that "French work week" line and was expecting an applause...I kinda feel bad for him 
PantherLotus
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This shit is nonsense. Dude's trying to argue that the GOP isn't necessarily in disarray and can't even look up at the scoreboard. Benjamin Fuckin Carson IS LEADING THE PRESIDENTIAL POLLING. And behind him, Trump. The GOP is broken and this isn't even remotely up for debate. 538 is shockingly bad.
As for polling and actual data, Rubio looks like he'll be the one to come out of this mess. Primary voters just going through their "maybe I like Newt Gingrich?" phase.
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