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So the GOP is too scared to answer questions is all I got out of that debate.
Oh, and Jeb! sucks at this. Like, who the fuck did he beat to win in Florida? Kevin McCarthy?
Until Trump showed up he was doing fine.
So the GOP is too scared to answer questions is all I got out of that debate.
Oh, and Jeb! sucks at this. Like, who the fuck did he beat to win in Florida? Kevin McCarthy?
He lost the first time he ran for Governor.So the GOP is too scared to answer questions is all I got out of that debate.
Oh, and Jeb! sucks at this. Like, who the fuck did he beat to win in Florida? Kevin McCarthy?
So the GOP is too scared to answer questions is all I got out of that debate.
Oh, and Jeb! sucks at this. Like, who the fuck did he beat to win in Florida? Kevin McCarthy?
He lost the first time he ran for Governor.
To a guy with a 70+% disapproval.
In 1994.
Conservatives boo Jeb Bush at CPACUntil Trump showed up he was doing fine.
Half Rubio, Half Kasich.The only real question after tonight is where Jeb's 7% go when he drops out.
The answer is actually kind of important!
Half Rubio, Half Kasich.
All futility
They have the same positions on lots of issues. They're both governors. Both recently came on record to say how much they hate the electorate.There's no way Kasich gets as much as half.
From February 16th to Trump entering, Jeb! never led anyone in the RCP aggregate by more than three points. He peaked at 17%. (Same as Scott Walker and Rand Paul...and under Chris Christie's peak of 20%.)In the polls though.
From February 16th to Trump entering, Jeb! never led anyone in the RCP aggregate by more than three points. He peaked at 17%. (Same as Scott Walker and Rand Paul...and under Chris Christie's peak of 20%.)
He spent all of March and April in a statistical tie with Walker. And then spent all of May and June in one with Walker and Rubio.
From July 23, 2013 to November 23, 2014, Jeb! didn't lead the aggregate once.
The largest lead he's enjoyed over the field was the first two weeks of February 2015 at 16.4% vs. 9.4% (Christie), 9.0% (Huckabee), 8.6% (Paul), 8.4% (Carson), 5.8% (Walker), 5.2% (Cruz).
So...Lindsey Graham?They have the same positions on lots of issues. They're both governors. Both recently came on record to say how much they hate the electorate.
How am I losing to these people? Graham asked Monday on MSNBCs Morning Joe.
Graham cited Trumps bombastic style and Carsons admission that he once tried to stab a classmate during his teenage years.
Or, as the South Carolina senator put it: On our side, youve got the No. 2 guy tried to kill someone at 14, and the No. 1 is high energy and crazy as hell.
Graham added: Just look at Donald Trumps foreign policy. What is it?
Kasich and Jeb have heavily overlapped venn diagrams. Lindsey's sole focus is destroying ISIL.So...Lindsey Graham?
"What is your biggest weakness?"I know many people seemingly despised the heavy guiding hand of the moderators (GOD WHERE HAVE I SEEN THAT BEFORE), but my favorite moment of the evening was seeing Rubio confronted on the particulars of his tax plan and having him adamantly refute the reality of mathematics. He isn't the next Barack Obama, that's for damn sure.
"So according to blablabla's calculations, your tax plan gives a [30%] break to the top 1%, and only a [15%] reduction to the middle class. You claim to be championing the middle class. Can you address this?"
"It's about time we got back to focusing on the middle class in this country! My tax plan benefits the middle class the most."
think again lieburals!I know many people seemingly despised the heavy guiding hand of the moderators (GOD WHERE HAVE I SEEN THAT BEFORE), but my favorite moment of the evening was seeing Rubio confronted on the particulars of his tax plan and having him adamantly refute the reality of mathematics. He isn't the next Barack Obama, that's for damn sure.
"So according to blablabla's calculations, your tax plan gives a [30%] break to the top 1%, and only a [15%] reduction to the middle class. You claim to be championing the middle class. Can you address this?"
"It's about time we got back to focusing on the middle class in this country! My tax plan benefits the middle class the most."
Guess what? Harwood got his facts wrong. Very wrong. Embarrassingly wrong. We know this because Harwood himself admitted as much on Twitter earlier in October:
We also know Harwood was full of it, because the head of the Tax Foundation was forced to publicly correct Harwood on Twitter during the debate. Here’s what Scott Hodge, the president of the Tax Foundation, said about the main beneficiaries of Marco Rubio’s tax plan:
John Harwood refused to issue a correction before the debate audience he deliberately misled. The clock is now ticking on whether he’ll issue any correction at all.
Because he gives a lot of head?I really want to like him, for some reason.
i knew trump wouldnt go after carson, i guess he was told theres no point
i knew trump wouldnt go after carson, i guess he was told theres no point
Tactically there's not much gain for Trump in going after Carson now - he's helping keep the establishment candidates at the fringes.
Once there was a challenge of a softball game from the Ron Paul clan to the Mitt Romney clan. They didnt show up, Mr. Paul says. We didnt schedule it. We really razz them about that, You guys chickened out!
When Mr. Pauls campaign jet broke down last year in Wolfeboro, N.H., Mr. Romneys wife, Ann, offered to let Mr. Paul, an aide and one of his granddaughters stay the night at their summer home on Lake Winnipesaukee. When Mr. Romney arrived later, he offered his jet to take them home to Texas. Mr. Paul, not wanting to impose, was grateful but declined both offers.
In a Republican presidential contest known for its angry rivalries, the Romney-Paul relationship stands out for its behind-the-scenes civility. It is a friendship that, by Mr. Pauls telling, Mr. Romney has worked to cultivate.
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Hes been all over the place on some of this stuff, Mr. Paul said in a recent interview near his Texas home. But he seems to segregate those views from his personal feelings for Mr. Romney, whom he sees as a steady, dignified personality whose devotion to wife and family reflect his own values.
I talk to Romney more than the rest on a friendly basis, Mr. Paul said. I throw Romneys name out because hes made a bigger attempt to do it. The others are sort of just real flat.
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The relationship between the two men is rooted partly in the fact that they are veterans of the 2008 nominating fight. And that has translated into growing bonds between their families after dozens of debates, primaries and caucuses.
The candidates spouses, Ann Romney and Carol Paul, know each other better than any of the other wives, Mr. Paul said. He and Mr. Romney talk all the time and weve met all their kids. Once he telephoned Mr. Romney just as Mr. Romney was calling him. Sometimes Im never sure who issued a call, he said.
We like each other! Romney acknowledged. We dont know each other extensively but we have seen each other on the trail couple times. We have introduced our wives to one another. We get along just fine. I think in the case of Senator Santorum, he and I see him in the same light. He portrays himself in one way but his voting record is different. Each of us in our campaign, we do what is best to become the nominee. Ron Paul and I battled aggressively in Maine. We ended up splitting by maybe 150 votes between the two of us in Maine caucuses. Were doing the same thing in North Dakota soon. Were out there campaigning for the things we think are most likely to get us nomination.
Nobody is going tell Ron Paul what to say, Romney added. He says whatever he wants to say.
"We have been very forthright about the fact that Ron and Mitt Romney like each other as people," as do their wives, the source said, whereas Santorum has called Paul "disgusting" and Gingrich has called him "stunningly dangerous."
i knew trump wouldnt go after carson, i guess he was told theres no point
The former Florida governor was a ghost for most of Wednesdays GOP presidential debate and when he spoke up, he was swiftly and effectively counter-punched, most notably by Marco Rubio. As a result, he lost the opportunity to lift his sagging campaign, say insiders surveyed for a special edition of the POLITICO Caucus, our weekly survey of the top operatives, activists and strategists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.
Nearly 60 percent of respondents said Bush lost the CNBC debate, botching his comeback opportunity and looking desperate in an attempt to attack Sen. Marco Rubios poor attendance record in the Senate. They offered their reactions immediately after watching Wednesdays prime-time debate in Boulder, Colo.
[Bush] looked opportunistic and desperate when he went after Senator Rubio on missing votes and after he walked straight into a crushing right hook, said one Iowa GOP insider. He also looked weak and ineffective. The exchange diminished an already failing candidacy.
Added a South Carolina Republican, "Tonight's performance will do nothing to stop the downward spiral that his campaign is experiencing."
Bush's loss was Rubio's gain: Just shy of half of GOP insiders said Rubio won the night, steamrolling his one-time mentor. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz came in a distant second and third.
(we lost, see you in november!)Bush spokesman Tim Miller on CNN: "This campaign isn't going to be won and lost by debates in October."
Insiders: Bush bombed, Rubio won
In the third GOP debate, the consensus was clear: Jeb Bush blew it and Marco Rubio won the evening.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/insiders-bush-bombed-215324
You're about to get disowned by half the people here for saying that, but yeah. Rubio is not to be taken lightly.I echo others in my worry about Rubio in a general election. Don't kid yourself--the guy could go toe-to-toe with Hillary and do well.
People in here keep bringing up that abortion comment, but I don't think that's going to sway many voters.
You're about to get disowned by half the people here for saying that, but yeah. Rubio is not to be taken lightly.
Rubio could realistically win the general. Anyone who tells you otherwise is in denial.
I echo others in my worry about Rubio in a general election. Don't kid yourself--the guy could go toe-to-toe with Hillary and do well.
People in here keep bringing up that abortion comment, but I don't think that's going to sway many voters.
Based on that debate performance, no, I still don't think I've seen him pushed in a way that a strong Democratic candidate could do.
I mean he did well, in a crowded field with a mix of loons and demagogues.
I see a Clinton/Rubio matchup looking very similar to 2000 & 2004 in terms of the electoral college (with Clinton having a slight edge). Substituting Florida for Virginia as a swing state however.So the EC advantage is mitigated by Rubio? Are we looking at a 2000 like close election?
I don't disagree but just wondering.
So the EC advantage is mitigated by Rubio? Are we looking at a 2000 like close election?
I don't disagree but just wondering.
After a performance by CNBC moderators that Republicans characterized as both biased and inept, a manager for a top GOP campaign says he will try to organize other campaigns to force the Republican National Committee to make "wholesale change" in the debate process.
In an interview shortly after the debate, Barry Bennett, manager of the Ben Carson campaign, called the session here in Colorado "unfair to everyone" and said the current debate structure should not remain in place. "I think the families need to get together here, because these debates as structured by the RNC are not helping the party," Bennett said. "There's not enough time to talk about your plans, there's no presentation. It's just a slugfest. All we do is change moderators. And the trendline is horrific. So I think there needs to be wholesale change here."
Bennett said he will call Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski Thursday to propose a unified call for change. "Corey and I talk regularly, so I will talk to him," Bennett said. "I will call Frank Sadler (Carly Fiorina's campaign manager), I will call those guys and say listen, we can choose our own network and our own format. We don't need to be led around like prize steers."
"I think at this point, if five or six of us get together, who generate the largest portion of the audience, we can force change," Bennett said.
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Bennett is particularly unhappy with the length of time given candidates to address issues he thinks it's way too short as well as the debate moderators' attempts to spark fights between the candidates.
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While the debate was still going on, multiple campaigns called RNC chairman Reince Priebus to complain. Recognizing the seriousness of the situation, Priebus prepared a statement for release the instant the debate ended. "The performance by the CNBC moderators was extremely disappointing and did a disservice to their network, our candidates, and voters," Priebus said. "CNBC should be ashamed of how this debate was handled."
I see a Clinton/Rubio matchup looking very similar to 2000 & 2004 in terms of the electoral college (with Clinton having a slight edge). Substituting Florida for Virginia as a swing state however.
Ok, I'll be that guy. With the total Jeb!spinout, does Mitt give it a 4th or 5th look? Gotta be tempting.
And O'Malley wouldn't be?A Bernie nomination is a nightmare against Rubio. ugh
I mean this is probably the case. Other option I guess being Kasich, but he's going nowhere and just ended up sounding annoying with his angry guy shtick after the initial salvo. Bush would be here too, at least on paper, if he wasn't so utterly useless.Why is Rubio the best general election candidate?
I echo others in my worry about Rubio in a general election. Don't kid yourself--the guy could go toe-to-toe with Hillary and do well.
People in here keep bringing up that abortion comment, but I don't think that's going to sway many voters.
Another case for Mitt Romney!The abortion comment seals the deal for him. Gender gap is already going to be a major factor, having pro-choice and pro-life candidates only magnifies it.
He might burn your house down but don't freak out that he just filled up a can of gasolineHey he might do great in the future but don't freak out he cleared an extremely low bar.
He might burn your house down but don't freak out that he just filled up a can of gasoline