Hasphat'sAnts
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Not really.
Witcher 3 Wins GOTY @ The Game Awards 2015!
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johnnydrama
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It's sad to see people overlook niche masterpieces like Bloodborne, Metal Gear Solid, and Fallout 4, and give this award to a soulless mass market product. The Witcher 3 is vastly overrated on this forum by people who are blinded by pretty graphics and an average story. It has literally the worst combat ever made, and the game is basically a reskinned version of Assassin's Creed. Not to mention how CDPR lied about offering free DLC, and then proceeded to announce a $25 season pass. Added to that, the game runs at 20 seconds per frame on consoles. The developer comes off as slimy, so I don't even know how they won the developer of the year award.
I'm absolutely disgusted and you should be too. Go Bloodborne!
I'm absolutely disgusted and you should be too. Go Bloodborne!
Interfectum
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BouncyFrag
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Having recently played TW3's expansion and into NG+ I am having much more fun with the combat this time around with a focused alchemy/grenade build. I'd go so far as to label it as 'good' where I had it originally at 'okay' or 'serviceable'.
lordfuzzybutt
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Yeah that about sums it up.
Krappadizzle
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So true. The fact that it had constant patches and updates speaks to the quality of the CDPR as a whole. They couldn't just put out a working game of this scale day 1? And all the DLC held back to be given for free is just a cash grab really. Not to mention all the useless little books and maps and CDs they included with the physical copies, like, what am I supposed to do with all that bullshit? I want a video game, not useless little trinkets and knick-knacks. They just wanted to get rid of their vendor trash and everyone knows it.
And don't even get me started on the value proposition of the stupidly large landmass they added in the first expansion, I don't want to explore all that. Ain't nobody got that kind of time. I'm not 12 years old CDPR, I can't spend my time on only videogames. Waste of money if I'm being square with you. I payed for more game, but that's too much. And the writing, my god. Gaunter O'dimm? More like Gaunter O' Dimwit. And though it may look alright, it only ran at 70fps at 1440p for me which is just...ugh. I wanted 1440p/144fps like my monitor supports. Really a technical mess. NVidia Hairworks? More like, Dontcareitworks, shits damn near impossible to run on my GTX460 SLI setup. I really hope CDRejektdRed steps it up big or their company will essentially be in the dirt.
I was borne in Blood, rest of ya'll just adopted it. Viva la Bloodborne.
I mean don't get me wrong Bloodborne must be a good piece of software and I don't think it winning would have been scandalous but really some people are so insecure about their consoles they have to artificially manufacture outrage when there is none, their precious exclusive has not won, what a tragedy that is.
This is just the Game Awards, no need to take it so seriously.
SpacePirate Ridley
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This is true. Not like Bethesda though, you know the quality of their games is super high when they only need to put out 1 or 2 patches.
And then let the community fix their broken game
Denton
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Ok I laughed.
RespectThySole
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Hehe
With Valve it's tricky. They mostly just self-publish, or buy up the mods made for their games thus acting back as a patron for their own moding community. Obvious now with cosmetic designers earning percent of sales.
Valve buying Turtle Rock is another example, but then Turtle Rock ends up buying themselves back. So during that time it was still self-published.
Then you have CS:GO developed in collaboration with Hidden Path. Which was more of an example of outsourcing than publishing, but Hidden Path served as the primary studio for that title.
Radical Edward
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The Witcher 3 really wasn't for me, as I enjoyed my time with many other games more this year. However, after lookingat last yyear's winners it's hard to take these awards too seriously. Dragon Age was GOTY and beat out Divinity and Soth Park for best RPG. Mordor (a game I liked) beat out both Bayonetta 2 and Alien for action/adventure and Far Cry won over Titanfall, Destiny and Wolfenstein for best shooter.
I get subjectivity and all but those are some questionable winners. At least this year there were some pretty big contenders. Any game in the category could have won.
I get subjectivity and all but those are some questionable winners. At least this year there were some pretty big contenders. Any game in the category could have won.
EatinOlives
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As someone who played good amount of both
I would say Witcher 3 is one of the best games ever made with incredibly well crafted narrative and quests/sidequests, while Fallout 4 is fun borderlandsy atmospheric shooter with RPG elements, but nowhere near GOTY material and a step down from New Vegas in some important aspects. Although shooting has been significantly improved.
Both games are fun, but only one is GOAT.
Exactly my thoughts.
Interestingly enough I was playing Witcher 3 when Fallout 4 launched. I went "oh shit, I gotta get into F4 now!", dropped Witcher 3, and started playing that. The difference between F4 and W3 is like night and day. W3 is in a class of its own. F4 is fun in its own right, does some things really nicely, but in my opinion it falls way short of its competition in places where it really matters. It doesn't help that the writing and gameplay in the last third of the main quest of F4 is absolutely garbage, which completely soured me on the game. After 28 hours I felt like I was "done" with the game, having completed the main quest and having done a few side missions the only thing I really wanted to do at the point was just to go back to the Witcher 3, so I picked it up again and never looked back.
I'm not as hardcore as some people posting their playtimes. I'm at around 70 hours in W3 and still haven't finished the game, but I can still say that it's a much better game overall than F4. Fallout 4 is fun in its own right but it's just milquetoast at this point. Yet another Gamebryo-engine open world RPG with marginally better shooting than FO3/NV and way worse writing. It's a fine game on its own but does not belong in any GOTY discussions, IMO.
omg I thought this was a joke post, and then I saw your post in the Bloodborne awards salt thread and you're serious. Are you? I can't even tell anymore.
johnnydrama
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Radical Edward
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johnnydrama
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Everything I have said in that post, I have read on this forum. Every single thing.
haha ok. well done.
I know, that's why I was unsure. I've seen some pretty dumb stuff on this forum.
I know, that's why I was unsure. I've seen some pretty dumb stuff on this forum.
Radical Edward
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Then, that's a shame. I didn't enjoy my time with W3, as a whole but those people can't be serious. Combat and gameplay cycle, honestly, did prevent me from enjoying it. That said, I will probably give it another shot if I can snag it for $20 or so when there is a gaming drought.
Hard times will be upon us. The forum will be filled with bans. Salt will reign stronger than ever before.
The witches' theme is great goddamn
not at all. it's a 3rd person action RPG. The animation priority and hit detection on the combat are a little wonky. Some people really hate it. I think it is totally serviceable.
Gameplay structure or combat? In both cases, umm, not really.
Combat's greatest similarity is Witcher 2, but outside the series, think weird mix of Arkham and Souls (doesn't work as well as either of them but oh well)
Structure though? Red Dead Redemption is by far the closest.
Krappadizzle
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It has surface level similarities and that's about it. Different writing styles, different world building, different combat. They share an open world fantasy setting and excellent music and that's about it.
Zera_Bloodwinter
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Well deserved. IMO the if this didn't win I'd have wanted Bloodborne to win.
HAAHAHAH! slow claps for both of you.
I loved Bloodborne is my PS4 game of the year for sure, but W3 takes the GOTY for me and prabably also of the las 5 years. And people, please, you should hold some salt for the rest of GOTY of other sites and publications, Witcher 3 probablay gonna snatch that award in most of them.
People severely underestimate the amount of ridiculous word vomit extolling the virtues of Souls games and the shortcomings of everything else on Gaf. I, honestly, cannot think of any other fanbase so eager to shit on everything not that series. If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone post "After playing Souls,________ seems like garbage and is ruined," I wouldn't even need to be at work now.
EatinOlives
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Do people just not understand that it's possible to like both Bloodborne AND Witcher 3? They're two very different games that exist that exist in pretty much the opposite sides of the spectrum. One is minimalistic in its storytelling and instead places all focus in a super refined combat system. The other puts out a serviceable (if janky) combat but pours all its heart into sublime writing.
The idea that people who prefer W3 over BB just because "it's not mainstream enough" is laughable. There's a shitton of people who are fans of both series. It's childish to try to draw an us-vs-them line between people who like W3 and people who like BB, because in reality there's quite a bit of overlap. You can think that BB is your personal GOTY, but all the obtuse mental gymnastics going behind justifying why Witcher 3 is this bland, braindead "mainstream" open world game as the sole reason why it won this particular GOTY just reeks of insecurity. You can love one game and love the other a little more. All this whining does is solidify how people just can't grasp the concept of fierce competition, thinking that W3 winning the award is somehow simultaneously saying that BB isn't good.
The idea that people who prefer W3 over BB just because "it's not mainstream enough" is laughable. There's a shitton of people who are fans of both series. It's childish to try to draw an us-vs-them line between people who like W3 and people who like BB, because in reality there's quite a bit of overlap. You can think that BB is your personal GOTY, but all the obtuse mental gymnastics going behind justifying why Witcher 3 is this bland, braindead "mainstream" open world game as the sole reason why it won this particular GOTY just reeks of insecurity. You can love one game and love the other a little more. All this whining does is solidify how people just can't grasp the concept of fierce competition, thinking that W3 winning the award is somehow simultaneously saying that BB isn't good.
ODDI
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RustyNails
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Well fucking deserved. Easily one of the best games I've played in my life. So proud to have achieved the perfect ending on my first run. I love Witcher 3 so much. Geralt, you better return you magnificent bastard.
Ricky Ricardo
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You had me there for a moment. Then I re-read and noticed you placed niche and Metal Gear Solid and Fallout in the same sentence.
Well done LOL
johnnydrama
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They finally did it. They killed poor Witcher 3.
Coreda
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EatinOlives
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Dusktildawn48
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Congrats CDPR! TW3 is my favorite game since LOU.
Edit: think I'm gonna go home and play it after work
Edit: think I'm gonna go home and play it after work
Is that Jeff Gertsmann?
To be fair, the PC version runs awesomely. I am sorry if you had a lesser experience on the consoles. The quest design is very, very good, even with the Witcher senses being used extensively. The complaints about Witcher vision don't even make sense to me anyway. It's like complaining about an old school private eye using a magnifying glass for every crime scene. If the tool helps then why wouldn't you use it?
In a game with so much to do and so many quests and so many NPC's to interact with it is a sure thing that some of them are going to be, well, less good. However, for every "weak" quest/npc/whatever that I have found there's been about 5 really excellent things to make up for it. It's not that The Witcher 3 is perfect, it's not even close. But it gets high marks from me because it does so much right as compared to what it doesn't. In other words the ratio of awesome to not awesome is highly tilted towards the awesome side. And I think the folks giving out the GoTY award last night felt the same.
See, I don't understand comments like these. The combat is fun! It's "witchery". It's very accurate to how it is described in the source material. Witchers use a combination of swords, signs, bombs, potions and oils plus their own mutations to gain an advantage over their foes and when I use all of these tools to defeat a foe in The Witcher 3 it feels very satisfying.
Does it have some problems? Yes, it does. The animation priority and hitboxes can be problematic. These two things are generally what folks mean when they talk about The Witcher 3 not feeling as good as Bloodborne. And I get the Bloodborne praise. I platinum'ed that game and put about 80 hours into it. I love Bloodborne, it rocks.
I guess I need some of you folks who don't like the combat in The Witcher 3 to explain what you didn't like about it and how long you put into the game. The Witcher 3 does suffer a little bit (like many big RPG's) because you are the weakest and have the least number of options at the beginning of the game.
I've said in another thread that the combat didn't really "click" with me until I got to Velen and had unlocked a good number of bombs, potions, oils and had gotten enough points to upgrade some of my signs. By then I had a good grasp on when to use what and could flow through most encounters like a ninja, or, like a highly skilled Witcher.
If you are the type of person who only wants to slash things with your sword and tries to parry everything (some stronger enemies will absolutely punish your parry) then yeah, I can maybe see why you didn't have as much fun with the combat and gave up on it.
For me (and many others), combat in The Witcher 3 is fun and appropriate to the character. Other than the animation priority and hitboxes I really have no complaints about it.
Turin Turambar
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Every little delicious quest in Novigrad is the payoff itself.
BlindJesus
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To add to that, people specifically point at the monster hunts as to why the game is boring, but ignore that they were just well-disguised filler quests. That sounds kind of bad, filler is usually received as negative, but a game of this size will always have tiers of quests that differ in quality; and even their filler quests are still crafted well in the context of the world. So after a handful of monster quests, you see the 'template' for the quests, but at least they fit in well.
Bloodborne is a good, even great game but I mean, even in the Souls series it's third best at most.
Hard to get too excited for it when it's the 4th game in the series and not even the best one. Witcher 3 feels extremely fresh in comparison, I think it's easy to understand how it leaves a stronger impression.
Hard to get too excited for it when it's the 4th game in the series and not even the best one. Witcher 3 feels extremely fresh in comparison, I think it's easy to understand how it leaves a stronger impression.
Interfectum
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We need a cage match between Bloodborne fans and Uncharted 3 fans.
Winners get lifetime supply of Morton Salt.
Winners get lifetime supply of Morton Salt.
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