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[Dacvak]

A LOT of people do because has a direct impact on their enjoyment of games.

Yeah, and I think that's weird and fragile. It's genuinely bizarre to me that the presence of an opinion that doesn't align with your own, in such an insignificant and optional way, could affect someone's enjoyment of a video game.

The most annoying thing to me isn't someone's political stance, it's the fact that so much discussion here ends up turning political. I'm here to talk about video games, like it used to be. I'm just bummed out that even this one place of refuge has become a platform for politics. I'd rather talk about how Sonic has never been a good franchise, or how octagonal analog gates are actually OP.

 

[Kacho]

Yeah, and I think that's weird and fragile. It's genuinely bizarre to me that the presence of an opinion that doesn't align with your own, in such an insignificant and optional way, could affect someone's enjoyment of a video game.

The most annoying thing to me isn't someone's political stance, it's the fact that so much discussion here ends up turning political. I'm here to talk about video games, like it used to be. I'm just bummed out that even this one place of refuge has become a platform for politics. I'd rather talk about how Sonic has never been a good franchise, or how octagonal analog gates are actually OP.

I mean, that's fine if you disagree. If developers stopped using their games to push their ideologies then the conversations would stop. It's up to them to listen to their audience and do better.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I just miss the days where I could log onto GAF and talk about video games, without thinly-veiled political discussion taking over so many conversations. It's fucking exhausting.

I understand, and agree.

Once this stuff is out of gaming, you will see far less of it. It's a natural ebb and flow for people to push back on these types of attacks on the medium they love.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Sonic has never been a good franchise

Begone spawn of Satan!!!

 

[KimDongHwan]

Yeah, and I think that's weird and fragile. It's genuinely bizarre to me that the presence of an opinion that doesn't align with your own, in such an insignificant and optional way, could affect someone's enjoyment of a video game.

The most annoying thing to me isn't someone's political stance, it's the fact that so much discussion here ends up turning political. I'm here to talk about video games, like it used to be. I'm just bummed out that even this one place of refuge has become a platform for politics. I'd rather talk about how Sonic has never been a good franchise, or how octagonal analog gates are actually OP.

You probably can still do that with many many threads for other games that are not political, it will be difficult to discuss this game as a "game" if probably most of the population on NeoGAF skipped it because of the political agenda. I would expect that threads about Gran Turismo or Mario will have limited to no political comments.

 

[Revolutionary]

I just miss the days where I could log onto GAF and talk about video games, without thinly-veiled political discussion taking over so many conversations. It's fucking exhausting.

I generally agree, but ya know... the Ignore Thread button exists for a reason.

 

[Dacvak]

I generally agree, but ya know... the Ignore Thread button exists for a reason.

Yeah, I am being a hypocritical bitch about it. This is what happens when I wake up hungover and cranky.

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

Yeah, and I think that's weird and fragile. It's genuinely bizarre to me that the presence of an opinion that doesn't align with your own, in such an insignificant and optional way, could affect someone's enjoyment of a video game.

The most annoying thing to me isn't someone's political stance, it's the fact that so much discussion here ends up turning political. I'm here to talk about video games, like it used to be. I'm just bummed out that even this one place of refuge has become a platform for politics. I'd rather talk about how Sonic has never been a good franchise, or how octagonal analog gates are actually OP.

I don't know if this is willful obtuseness or genuine idiocy. People are talking about the political aspects of a game because its dev team was captured by a bureaucratized form of radical liberal identity politics. Maybe at one point people would have just shrugged their shoulders and taken it in stride, but it's been years that this shit has been happening in institutions and people are sick of it.

 

[Boss Mog]

I just miss the days where I could log onto GAF and talk about video games, without thinly-veiled political discussion taking over so many conversations. It's fucking exhausting.

So do I, unfortunately studios have hired activists instead of writers, and all they know how to do is make games where they can lecture us and push their demented ideology onto the world instead of telling compelling stories.

Don't blame us, I'd rather be talking about other stuff but they're injecting it in to all western games and even some Japanese games thanks to woke translators twisting the source material, so if we wanna get games to be about entertainment again and not politics, then we need to talk about it and fight it unfortunately.

 

[RJMacready73]

Yeah, and I think that's weird and fragile. It's genuinely bizarre to me that the presence of an opinion that doesn't align with your own, in such an insignificant and optional way, could affect someone's enjoyment of a video game.

The most annoying thing to me isn't someone's political stance, it's the fact that so much discussion here ends up turning political. I'm here to talk about video games, like it used to be. I'm just bummed out that even this one place of refuge has become a platform for politics. I'd rather talk about how Sonic has never been a good franchise, or how octagonal analog gates are actually OP.

My man you're complaining about discussions getting political in a thread entitled "Dragon Age Veilguard has an unhinged gender diary" what the fuck where you expecting to be discussed? Armour classes?

You wanna talk about Sonic go into a Sonic thread lol, Jesus lad it ain't exactly rocket science that a game with such hardcore modern audience identity politics baked into it is rightfully riling up the masses who simply wanted a new Dragon Age game and instead got... Well you've seen the clips lol, so yeah I think the fine folks of Gaf should feel free to vent about OTHERS BRINGING POLITICS INTO GAMES, we ain't making em and we ain't asking for our politics to be placed into games like the insufferable spastics over at Reeee, we just wanted to kill dragons and make a character with big diddies ffs

 

[jason10mm]

I don't think gender pronoun stuff is specifically political, the election showed that BOTH parties are tired of being lectured about it. Regardless of how you view "non-binary", the ridiculous pandering and lecturing nature of the dialogue around Taash make her unpalatable to almost everyone.

Imagine if there was a super macho character who did nothing but talk about getting laid, what he was gonna do to the next woman he met, or how much he loved pussy in the most odious and obnoxious way. Is that character promoting a heterosexual lifestyle? Is disliking that character a political act or a condemnation of heterosexuality? If Taash went on and on about how awesome the "right to keep and bear arms" was in stopping tyranny, protecting free speech, keeping capitalistic societies free of communist elements (i.e. 'modern' speech in a fantasy game) would that be a far-right character?

No, its just a badly written character talking about an issue of very little interest to the gaming audience that just wants a good immersive RPG.

 

[Astral Dog]

I don't know anything about this game,but that looks like something written by a 12 year old ,im guessing its official 'lore' written by a character if so game writting has hit a new level

 

[DaciaJC]

I just read that the blue-hair that wrote all this drivel wished more than half the country dead after Tuesday's result. Obviously not surprising, but the sad part is that he's apparently writing the new Mass Effect. Terrible news, especially on N7 day.

Now you know, so don't get hyped and fooled by the trailers that might look cool, they will obviously show none of this because they try to hide it as much as possible as to not kill their sales.

Is there a link? I'm in the mood to read some more deranged shit from the self-proclaimed "tolerant" left.

 

[Boss Mog]

Is there a link? I'm in the mood to read some more deranged shit from the self-proclaimed "tolerant" left.

I don't have a link,. They posted on some twitter alternate platform for degenerates that was set up when Elon bought Twitter. I forget the name of it, it's "Blue something".

 

[Hypereides]

I just read that the blue-hair that wrote all this drivel wished more than half the country dead after Tuesday's result. Obviously not surprising, but the sad part is that he's apparently writing the new Mass Effect. Terrible news, especially on N7 day.

Now you know, so don't get hyped and fooled by the trailers that might look cool, they will obviously show none of this because they try to hide it as much as possible as to not kill their sales.

I'll just say this and be as on-topic as possible; Now should be a time for introspection and reflection, not to double down on this nonsense. They need to distance themselves from this extreme behaviour. It should be a moment for an epiphany and not a cause to continue to embrace it. If these developers continue to see it that other way, then they should be considered a risk within their own studios.

They've lost a lot trust from their audience and now is the time to win it back. They need to break free from their echo chamber and initiate a conversation with the community. That would be a start.

 

[BigBeauford]

I just miss the days where I could log onto GAF and talk about video games, without thinly-veiled political discussion taking over so many conversations. It's fucking exhausting.

So do we!

 

[mckmas8808]

I wish this one was fake news.

It has to be fake, right?

 

[Kacho]

It has to be fake, right?

I just don't know! Hopefully someone can get to the bottom of this quickly, mckmas8808

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I just miss the days where I could log onto GAF and talk about video games, without thinly-veiled political discussion taking over so many conversations. It's fucking exhausting.

What I really miss is when BioWare games didn't have this kind of shit.

 

[Boss Mog]

Now should be a time for introspection and reflection

You'd think so, but these people are zealots and narcissists, so they'll just double down some more instead.

 

[Nasigil]

Yeah, and I think that's weird and fragile. It's genuinely bizarre to me that the presence of an opinion that doesn't align with your own, in such an insignificant and optional way, could affect someone's enjoyment of a video game.

The most annoying thing to me isn't someone's political stance, it's the fact that so much discussion here ends up turning political. I'm here to talk about video games, like it used to be. I'm just bummed out that even this one place of refuge has become a platform for politics. I'd rather talk about how Sonic has never been a good franchise, or how octagonal analog gates are actually OP.

The message itself is not the problem. People are upset because it's implemented badly, it's out of place, therefore it actively harm the narrative and playing experience. How is that hard to understand?

No one is freaking out about the inclusiveness elements in BG3 and Cyberpunk, or the anti-war messages in the Metal Gear series. In fact those are seen as strength of those games. Because these concepts makes sense in those games, they are a natural part of the world building, and they are conveyed subtly in a non-preachy way. When you do it right, people will not only not be angry about it, they might even accept the ideas with an open mind.

At the end of the day, what gamers want is simple: they want to play good games and have a good experience. When you interrupt the medieval fantasy setting and suddenly give them a lecture about modern society politics that feels extremely out of place in the setting, they will be pissed. Even if they personally fully support such political message, they can still be unhappy because this is not what they are looking for in this particular game.

 

[adamsapple]

I just miss the days where I could log onto GAF and talk about video games, without thinly-veiled political discussion taking over so many conversations. It's fucking exhausting.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[8bitpill]

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

 

[jason10mm]

The humor of a woman who CAN NOT make herself in the games character creator then dunking on the game is hopefully not lost on the game devs.

 

[8bitpill]

The humor of a woman who CAN NOT make herself in the games character creator then dunking on the game is hopefully not lost on the game devs.

The dialog in this game is just meme fuel at this point.

The developers of this slop have their heads so far up their own sphincters, I don't think they could even see past the cringe they've created.

 

[8bitpill]

The hits keep coming.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Watch first 10 mins to see bottom of the barrel video game scripting. And it doesn't even involve cheesy jokes or politics which are whole other subjects. Writers actually got paid for this.

I dont think even a kid in junior high writing his first essay would write this poorly.

 

[OccamsLightsaber]

Yeah, and I think that's weird and fragile. It's genuinely bizarre to me that the presence of an opinion that doesn't align with your own, in such an insignificant and optional way, could affect someone's enjoyment of a video game.

The most annoying thing to me isn't someone's political stance, it's the fact that so much discussion here ends up turning political. I'm here to talk about video games, like it used to be. I'm just bummed out that even this one place of refuge has become a platform for politics. I'd rather talk about how Sonic has never been a good franchise, or how octagonal analog gates are actually OP.

Since the politics forum got nuked, all the rats scurried over here with their brain-dead opinions, informed only by horniness or what their alpha on youtube tell them to think.

 

[lmimmfn]

I like her because she has common sense, in these woke games there is no room for normal women. It's the point of woke.

Note: I won't use the term "cis" because it's a slur.

 

[mdkirby]

The message itself is not the problem. People are upset because it's implemented badly, it's out of place, therefore it actively harm the narrative and playing experience. How is that hard to understand?

No one is freaking out about the inclusiveness elements in BG3 and Cyberpunk, or the anti-war messages in the Metal Gear series. In fact those are seen as strength of those games. Because these concepts makes sense in those games, they are a natural part of the world building, and they are conveyed subtly in a non-preachy way. When you do it right, people will not only not be angry about it, they might even accept the ideas with an open mind.

At the end of the day, what gamers want is simple: they want to play good games and have a good experience. When you interrupt the medieval fantasy setting and suddenly give them a lecture about modern society politics that feels extremely out of place in the setting, they will be pissed. Even if they personally fully support such political message, they can still be unhappy because this is not what they are looking for in this particular game.

This is invariably the problem. It wasn't a problem in the past, as it was much rarer in aggregate, and when it was done it was generally in well written content with good writers.

Most tv shows, games, films etc do not have good writers, ESPECIALLY games writers, which have always been a step down from their silver screen equivalents.

What happened was both from ideological capture, and from higher ups, a belief it would yield higher profits and expand audiences, so all the things we consider "woke messaging" was added to EVERYTHING, and the majority of writers simply aren't capable of integrating such topics naturally and with nuance, so it comes off as forced, hamfisted and preachy, which just pisses people off. And then as it's in everything, everywhere we look, and done badly, it just means a vast amount of people are pissed off and it's actively harming the content, the companies involved (and their staff), and even the causes the messaging was intended to serve.