4K Support : could it have a influence on which Next Gen Console you buy?
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TheGreyHulk
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i think a lot of people are confusing 4K support with 4K rendering.
ZERO games will be rendered @ 4K resolution next gen. it's too demanding on the hardware
the only support we'll get is 4K bluray playback and probably 4k upscale
4096*2160 = 8.85 mega pixels
1920*1080 = 2.07 mega pixels
1280*720 = 0.92 mega pixels
we're just entering 1080p rendering era, and now we're talking about rendering over 4x the number of pixels as 1080p.... ON CONSOLES... c'mon people. Let's be real here. It would be too taxing on even today's GPUs and they'd need a lot of memory to compensate f/ 4K native rendering
ZERO games will be rendered @ 4K resolution next gen. it's too demanding on the hardware
the only support we'll get is 4K bluray playback and probably 4k upscale
4096*2160 = 8.85 mega pixels
1920*1080 = 2.07 mega pixels
1280*720 = 0.92 mega pixels
we're just entering 1080p rendering era, and now we're talking about rendering over 4x the number of pixels as 1080p.... ON CONSOLES... c'mon people. Let's be real here. It would be too taxing on even today's GPUs and they'd need a lot of memory to compensate f/ 4K native rendering
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DonMigs85
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Yep. At 4K, all 3D games would look like Cubivore or F-Zero X.
You got it, Dreamcast had VGA output day one for enthusiasts, a next gen console could output 4k (really 2k resolution) to a pc monitor just like you have been doing for the last couple years. The quicker we jump to 4k, the quicker 1080p tvs drop to ridiculously low prices. Just look how fast 3d has
dropped, it is now only a 100 to 200 dollar increase to upgrade a tv to 3d capability on many sets and that includes glasses thrown in.
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Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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I can build a PC right now the size of a ps3 and get 2k rendering. 4K rendering isn't hard to believe.
Computers always curbstomp consoles that are meant to be affordable, and think of it this way: this is pretty much exactly the same as wanting 1080p reliably for consoles of this generation. No, that actually looked relatively reasonable, yet many are failing to reach even 720p, so 4K outside of computers is extremely implausible unless they're willing to break the bank here, and it sounds like they probably aren't except maybe for RAM.
chickdigger802
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give me some numbers here.
Like what kind of pc would i need from today parts that can play say.... BF3 maxed at 60fps on 4k?
Like what kind of pc would i need from today parts that can play say.... BF3 maxed at 60fps on 4k?
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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With the chips I've seen, not implausible at all. Even at a decent price.
That depends entirely if your monitor can handle 4k first.
DonMigs85
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Probably at least 2 or 3 GTX 680 cards. Maybe even 4.
Maybe on games with the current fidelity. But they'll look at how many actually HAVE 4K TVs and instead go "what can we get in if we chop that resolution down to 1080p?", just like they MIGHT have been able to do 1080p games with high end PS2/Xbox visuals but opted for <30 FPS <720p games. In fact, I'm not even that sure about that 1080p comment, seems most of those HD collections are happy to be at 720p.
And frankly, I'd have had a lot more confidence with that sort of thing last generation. Graphic technology seemed to be constantly leaping forward at a stupefying rate, but now it seems to have stagnated some with prices on cards remaining largely stubborn.
But the typical HDTV wasn't $10,000+ back in 2006...
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Yeah it was, because that was the year I bought one. There were many 60" that were around that range. But then again, it all goes to how big you want it.
So you're telling me that the GPU in the PS3 is more powerful a GTX 680? because Sony had 4 PS3s connected together running GT5P in 4K 60FPS 4 years ago.
DonMigs85
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Yeah but this is BF3 maxed on PC running at 60FPS 4K. That's way more demanding than GT5.
TheGreyHulk
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Yeah, on PC. Not on consoles though. 4K resolution BF3 Ultra runs @ a 23 FPS average on a 7970, 21.7 FPS average on a 680. It also uses 2.3 GB of memory on the 7970 and maxes out the 2gb on the 680.
With PCs, it can be done with SLI/CF and enthusiast components, but we're talking about consoles in a small box with thermal constraints. Next gen will push the bar higher graphically since the low bar will be moved up a ton. I'm just not a believer that they'll have high fidelity graphics @ 4K resolutions. I'd see them up-scaling for sure or having some average looking games @ 4K and not the cutting edge stuff.
For a console to do 4K resolution, high fidelity GFX games @ BF3 Ultra levels, it would need 2.5GB vram, a GPU at the level of a 680/7970, a cpu at the level of a high clocked sandy bridge quad core. Then we're still looking at sub 25FPS performance
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/6/18/the-4k-graphics-card-shootout.aspx
I think the typical HDTV was $10k back when then xbox1 supported 720p.
TheGreyHulk
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The GPU in the PS3 is a giant turd from a turd. It's not even remotely capable of doing the complex stuff a 680 can handle.
4K GT5P on 4 SLI'd PS3's is not really an amazing thing considering the fact that it's a low fidelity graphics game. Thrown BF3 on ultra on 4K and then that would be bragging rights
This , just like how ps3 doesnt even do 1080p on 90% of its games , and those 720p games are mostly not even gd 720p.
Ill buy 4K once the next-next generation of consoles actually use it.
Im also not updating my bluray collection to 4k discs or wtv the fuck its gonna be.
TheGreyHulk
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You cannot build one at a DECENT price. That's just hard to believe. I stay up to date with CPU tech and unless you want to play console ports @ 4K, you're not getting a rig that can run 4K DX11 maxed quality games for a decent price. The fact that we need SLI just to get playable frame rates on BF3 ultra puts the bill at a minimum of $800-900 f/ the two GPU's alone.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Two of you brought up Ultra settings. Of course ultra settings isn't going to happen. We're talking about being able to render 4K games. It doesn't need to have 16x aliasing and super sampling to qualify. With the way games are programmed and the faster the chips get, 4K is not far off at all.
And guts doesn't determine if it's a console. Actually nothing determines that. It should just be a decent size.
And yes you can. You stay up with CPU tech (as do I) but I also stay up with 4K tech, because 4K is a huge part of my daily work, especially when it comes to 3d rendering, storing, editing and capturing in 4K resolution. Chips out there are getting cheaper and cheaper to prices that are affordable.
680 is way more powerful than the GPU in the PS3 so 4 of them will do way more than GT5P in 4K that was the point of me saying that when he said that it would take maybe 4 680 GPUs to run BF3 in 4K.
I still have to buy my first HDTV this year, therefore I'm not in need for the next standard yet.
Seriously, the 4k TVs will be very tough to sell. I have a big room and can barely justify a TV around 42-46", most households I know don't have a living room with enough space for a 4k TV. You guys in NA probably have more space than we do.
Seriously, the 4k TVs will be very tough to sell. I have a big room and can barely justify a TV around 42-46", most households I know don't have a living room with enough space for a 4k TV. You guys in NA probably have more space than we do.
Let us be clear here:
1. 8k (super high vision) is the end game for consumer displays.
2. 4k is the resolution that digital film is digitally shot and archived at. It is the resolution that analog film is captured and archived with.
3. Once 4k sets start cropping up next year, all major films are going to be re-released on blu-ray at 4k.
4. The transition from 4k to 8k will probably be the quickest, but it should still be about 10 years off.
1. 8k (super high vision) is the end game for consumer displays.
2. 4k is the resolution that digital film is digitally shot and archived at. It is the resolution that analog film is captured and archived with.
3. Once 4k sets start cropping up next year, all major films are going to be re-released on blu-ray at 4k.
4. The transition from 4k to 8k will probably be the quickest, but it should still be about 10 years off.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Just because it's 4K resolution doesn't mean it has to be a large tv.
A lot of film is being archived at 14k, depending on what film they used in production. Kodak can be digitized way beyond 4K.
"Typical" = 32"-42"
Most in that range back then weren't anything more than $2,500.
And why anyone would spend $10,000+ on a TV whose features will be better & much cheaper 2-3 years later is beyond me.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Typical to you then I guess?
No, typical to most average Americans during the time.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Please show me stats because that's not what I'm seeing.
55" 1080p sets were $5000-$6000. You can buy a 55" 4k set now for ¥550,000.
I'd like to see support for it just for perfect scaling of both 1080p and 720p content, and retina UI over 1080p game video.
http://flowingdata.com/2009/09/23/tv-size-over-the-past-8-years/
Pretty much stayed around 30's/low 40's back when the current gen was just beginning.
Yes I know that. I was talking about 720p HDTVs that were smaller in size that people were getting during the time.
Source? Argument?
For theaters, where the display is a 2-story wall, that's perfectly logical.
Do you mean for home use? If so, that's quite a claim to say that all major films will start hitting 4K Blu-ray, given that so few consumers will be able to use them.
Again, for theaters or for homes? These are enormously different contexts, and I'm never clear which you are referencing. One is a special scenario with a gigantic wall devoted to a screen; the other is not, and I doubt that any significant percent of households will begin transforming so that living rooms can become full cinema experiences.
nhlducks35
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LMAO, 95% of console games can't even do 1080P at 30FPS, let alone 4K. Do you really think that developers will get rid of tons of effects just to run in 4K? The only 4K that will come into play in the next gen consoles lifetime will in a Powerpoint that says "Capable of 4K output".
ElectricBlue187
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you are assuming the console OS would be the same. I would have a console that crashes the game if it falls below 60 FPS, pretty much force them to design the game to never drop below 60FPS. I doubt they would design the game wayyyy better looking for the other console. This console would pretty much force the other one to comply
it could be done
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