Ant-Man |Spoiler Thread| I Think Our First Move Should Be Calling The Avengers
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Well he did kill a guy and flushed him down the toilet so yeah he is a bit cray cray.
Saw the movie yesterday and it was good. Better than i expected. The tie-in with the Avengers was good and not forced and Michael Douglas is awesome.
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Great movie. Through and through. Despite how much I missed really having Wrights true touch on this film, he was still fully represented and played faithfully to his unique language.
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What if we tell you making a comedy and stand alone movie was why Marvel made this movie
Really
it's an awful comedy though. Only Pena is funny in it
More_Badass
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Well you think it's awful, but the general consensus was that it was a funny movie.
Alebrije
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Foreshadowing.
It was more fun than I thought it would be. The first act was a little rough, with several scenes of overly long exposition. It started to click in the second Ant-Man in training act, and the heist/fight at the end was mostly excellent. It had a great balance between humor and action, and kept a nice tone through out (with some dark touches - that shrink/flush was brutal).
Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas were really great, and had excellent chemistry. So many great moments in the ending battle: Play Disintegration by the Cure; the ping pong paddle; the train engine, the giant freaking ant.
As mentioned earlier, using the tank keychain to first associate Hank with the house Rudd was break into, and then pivot to it being an actual tank was clever. I thought the keychain had served its purpose by that point.
I didn't understand how the villain was having mental problems from the serum, but Rudd was not. I though it was the suit that caused the issues, and the bad guy didn't have a working suit long enough for it to affect him.
Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas were really great, and had excellent chemistry. So many great moments in the ending battle: Play Disintegration by the Cure; the ping pong paddle; the train engine, the giant freaking ant.
As mentioned earlier, using the tank keychain to first associate Hank with the house Rudd was break into, and then pivot to it being an actual tank was clever. I thought the keychain had served its purpose by that point.
I didn't understand how the villain was having mental problems from the serum, but Rudd was not. I though it was the suit that caused the issues, and the bad guy didn't have a working suit long enough for it to affect him.
Callibretto
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I think they're going for constant exposure to the particle over time is what affect the brain, so Cross in close proximity with the particle for years while experimenting with them is what make him go crazy. The suit and helmet is there to protect the user survive shrinking process because without the helmet, you're going to turn into gooey mess.it may also help prevent you go crazy over time, but that's not the primary function of the suit.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Yellowjacket definitely has the sickest MCU villain design. So good. Creepy, alien-esque, immediately attention-grabbing.
Better than whatever the fuck was happening with Ultron Prime.
How's the film doing BO wise? We're getting an Ant-Man 2, right?
Better than whatever the fuck was happening with Ultron Prime.
How's the film doing BO wise? We're getting an Ant-Man 2, right?
ArtHands
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Fortunately your opinion is not the same as the general.
Cross "might" have achieved the shrinking without the helmet unlike Pym, with that successful sheep trial scene. Its left ambiguous here though, since the movie didn't show him trying on a human without the helmet after that.
crazyrabbits
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My thoughts:
+ The film as a whole is definitely in my upper tier of Marvel films, and in Phase 2, squarely behind Guardians and Winter Soldier.
+ The Michael Douglas CGI in the opening scene was seamless and quite amazing.
+ Evangeline Lilly's performance was great, and it was nice to see her finally flexing her acting chops after Lost.
+ Most of the humor was well-done and got a lot of laughs, although some of it (like the Hank confession/Hope reconciliation scene) was a bit oddly-paced.
+ The character designs, the subtle ties into the larger universe, the ant abilities and the more personal conflict ultimately made this a very satisfying movie for me.
+ Cross was a great villain (in terms of malice and the execution of his plan), and that disintegration/toilet death was surprisingly dark for a kid-friendly Marvel film.
+ Michael Pena was easily one of the best parts of the film, being equal parts goofy, earnest and awkward in equal measure.
+ You can definitely feel the echoes of Wright's ideas, although I think it benefits from balancing the moments of absurdity with the larger universe callbacks and personal stakes.
+ There were some highly amusing/surprising moments, like the paddle takedown, the suitcase/train fight, and the reveal of the giant pet ant at the end, which was hilarious.
+ Definitely liked that the "subatomic" universe was introduced in such a full-fledged way. Felt like a 2001: A Space Odyssey tribute.
+ Loved the tank keychain payoff in the Pym building.
- The first act is somewhat slow and oddly paced. It simultaneously delivers gobs of exposition without really saying anything at all.
- Seems Judy Greer has cornered the market as "that actress you call to portray someone having marital problems". She was pretty much a non-entity in the film, and just seemed to be present to scream near the end.
- There definitely needed to be some more exposition as to how Cross went insane, because all we get is a one-line handwave near the end that the particle was driving him crazy, even though other scientists should have been in proximity and were never reporting problems.
- I saw the Hydra twist coming the moment they showed that goofy Yellowjacket "concept" video, showing it executing people and blowing up limousines.
- I could go either way on the whole "ex-wife is seeing cop" angle. I felt like it might have been better for Paxton to have a heroic sacrifice to save Cassie, not the strangely-awkward breakfast scene near the end of the film. Likewise, Wood Harris (Avon Barksdale!) was wasted in his role.
+ The film as a whole is definitely in my upper tier of Marvel films, and in Phase 2, squarely behind Guardians and Winter Soldier.
+ The Michael Douglas CGI in the opening scene was seamless and quite amazing.
+ Evangeline Lilly's performance was great, and it was nice to see her finally flexing her acting chops after Lost.
+ Most of the humor was well-done and got a lot of laughs, although some of it (like the Hank confession/Hope reconciliation scene) was a bit oddly-paced.
+ The character designs, the subtle ties into the larger universe, the ant abilities and the more personal conflict ultimately made this a very satisfying movie for me.
+ Cross was a great villain (in terms of malice and the execution of his plan), and that disintegration/toilet death was surprisingly dark for a kid-friendly Marvel film.
+ Michael Pena was easily one of the best parts of the film, being equal parts goofy, earnest and awkward in equal measure.
+ You can definitely feel the echoes of Wright's ideas, although I think it benefits from balancing the moments of absurdity with the larger universe callbacks and personal stakes.
+ There were some highly amusing/surprising moments, like the paddle takedown, the suitcase/train fight, and the reveal of the giant pet ant at the end, which was hilarious.
+ Definitely liked that the "subatomic" universe was introduced in such a full-fledged way. Felt like a 2001: A Space Odyssey tribute.
+ Loved the tank keychain payoff in the Pym building.
- The first act is somewhat slow and oddly paced. It simultaneously delivers gobs of exposition without really saying anything at all.
- Seems Judy Greer has cornered the market as "that actress you call to portray someone having marital problems". She was pretty much a non-entity in the film, and just seemed to be present to scream near the end.
- There definitely needed to be some more exposition as to how Cross went insane, because all we get is a one-line handwave near the end that the particle was driving him crazy, even though other scientists should have been in proximity and were never reporting problems.
- I saw the Hydra twist coming the moment they showed that goofy Yellowjacket "concept" video, showing it executing people and blowing up limousines.
- I could go either way on the whole "ex-wife is seeing cop" angle. I felt like it might have been better for Paxton to have a heroic sacrifice to save Cassie, not the strangely-awkward breakfast scene near the end of the film. Likewise, Wood Harris (Avon Barksdale!) was wasted in his role.
IIRC the particles (just the yellow ones, or all?) driving somebody mad was mentioned multiple times in the movie, at least twice. I saw the last time it was mentioned as a confirmation, that Hope and Hank think it is the reason.
On top of that, we have the personal issues between Cross and Hank, and hints that Cross always had issues.
So he was a bad character, who might be exposed to mind-altering chemicals, and was pushed away by a guy he worshiped.
I guess, we as the audience are free to use any combination of those 3 facts as a justification for his insanity.
Compared to many other villains from the MCU, their is a lot of justification for him being evil.
Probably dead, but they may have left it a bit ambiguous so they can bring him back if they want, kinda like Red Skulls death.
I am not sure if I understood it correctly, because IMHO the movie did not exactly explain is, but this is how I got it:
Cross did not know, that you can't shrink organic material directly. His breakthrough moment was, when he accidentally shrunk a goat inside a container.
So before that moment, he must have used it directly on living material.
(Most of the time the particles where in a protective shell, but not during experiments)
Since Cross created/discovered the yellow particles on his own, there were many chances, when he was exposed to them, i.e. there was only air between him and the particles, and no protection
Escape Goat
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Did anyone else notice the Pym building implosion was the same as the one from Agent Carter with the refinery? Seems like that was the same Howard Stark tech in the movie.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I have a feeling there were some late cuts in the editing and the finished version is hacked up a bit. Missing lines from the trailers and ads is sometimes a sign of this too.
Brianimaniac
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The missing lines were different to keep profanity out of the trailer and to not show off Falcon.
I was thinking the same, but here the building disappered, in Agent Carter it was just strongly compressed
Maybe Howard has improved the technology?
Either it's a plothole or again a scene was cut. There is the assumption that the particles are making him crazy at the end but there isn't any sort of groundwork before Hope's line to suggest that.
There isn't going to be a good answer for this.
Ignatz Mouse
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Ok movie, I thought it dragged a lot the first half, and was far too predictable for its own good.
Rudd and Lily were great together, and Michael Douglas was good casting.
I kinda wish I'd seen the Edgar Wright version.
Rudd and Lily were great together, and Michael Douglas was good casting.
I kinda wish I'd seen the Edgar Wright version.
Callibretto
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making it disappeared completely is more impressive imo. I take it as Stark still unable to replicate Pym's stuff.
Pym > Stark.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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Did anyone like the Thomas the tank engine bits in the movie 7 when Thomas went massive it was great the hole cinema was in tears laughing
can't wait for the inevitable team-up movie with Howard the Duck in phase 4
Escape Goat
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I dont know why they have to throw in these romances. Hope is hot and the only female character. Gosh, theres no way these two will fall in love for no real reason. Its not any better than Thor and Janes 2 day love affair. As Plinkett would say, Scott Lang had a case of the Not-Gays.
clay_ghost
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Huh? its intended as a joke ,.
2002whitegt
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Does anyone else think that the lady at the end from Luis' tip story might be a representative for Heroes for Hire?
Escape Goat
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What?
Stilton Disco
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Saw it yesterday, and it's yet another fantastic movie from Marvel. Actually enjoyed it more than Ultron, which I wasn't expecting.
Again, being exposed to the particles making somebody mad, was mentioned multiple times in the movie.
I believe the first time was close to Cross' first presentation
Mr. Pointy
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Better than Ultron. The first two thirds ofthe movie are enjoyable but kind of lacking something. The last third is really good, just so creative. It's got Michael Pena being every character he's ever been. Evangeline Lily got Taurieled again, but I don't think it'll lead to anything in the sequel.
clay_ghost
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The whole kissing scene is played off as a joke , won't be surprised if noting comes out of it after Antman.
Escape Goat
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I dont mind if they do include romance subplots if they make sense. Unfortunately, there often isnt enough time to explore.
FUBAR McDangles
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So about the Cross going crazy thing everyone is talking about:
The way I got that scene wasn't that Cross was being driven insane by the Pym particles, it was just that he was so obsessed with it and so fanatical about it that he was losing touch with what was right and what he should be doing.
Then again, Pym did say that he had some things wrong with him as a result of using them so who knows.
The way I got that scene wasn't that Cross was being driven insane by the Pym particles, it was just that he was so obsessed with it and so fanatical about it that he was losing touch with what was right and what he should be doing.
Then again, Pym did say that he had some things wrong with him as a result of using them so who knows.
There is no indication that he used the Yellowjacket suit and even if there is some sort of X-Ray standard then in that case Hope should be crazy as well.
Ignatz Mouse
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I'm surprised that people are nitpicking the crazy thing. If anything bugged me is was the inconsistencies in the mass. One second he can punch a guy with full mass, the next he's riding an ant or swept aside by a little water.
Comics movie, so not a big deal, but more than the exact degree of crazy Cross was and why.
Comics movie, so not a big deal, but more than the exact degree of crazy Cross was and why.
I wasn't talking about the suit, but the particles.
Cross created the yellow particles. So it isn't hard to imagine, that he was very close to them before the movie.
There is no indication that Hope was ever near them.
Escape Goat
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Did Cross's handheld zapper expose him to the particles?
It's not limited to just Cross's version but Hank's as well, that was the whole point of Hank going on about the helmet. The way it's implied in the movie is that usage of Pym particles causes issue mentally. If it was an issue of proximity then it appears Hope would have been affected in some capacity as she was involved with Cross's version, as seen by her presence during the goat experiments, or Pym himself who obviously created the original version.
It affects the user, that's it.
Edit: In fact Pym states that the reason he's not in the suit was, "Years of wearing the suit" prevented him from donning it in this case, implying the helmet isn't 100% protection or that there are some other physical side effects from the actual transformation.
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