Any reason why the WiiU *won't* dominate Japan?
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Captain Smoker
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What's the purpose of this comparison?
Why don't we take these games:
Playstation 3 - Final Fantasy - Resident Evil
BoboBrazil
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PS4 will dominate. Only reason PS3 didn't is because of price and that won't be an issue again.
The majority of that wii u stuff is ports, I mean lol @ the tekken sales.. Dq swords will probably outsell the dq online port with ease.
/3DS is gonna slaughter the wii u in Japan... And Nintendo lack a title like wii sports which really got the wii going in Japan.
DQX will probably make more money on the Wii U than Swords did on the Wii, which is probably more important to Enix than actual sales.
I basically agree on the second part.
... Was it really the only issue? Outside of ff xiii there was no million seller on ps3
I wouldnt count Monster Hunter Tri HD out
Stiflers Mom
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Given the very small size of japanese flats, the Wii U is just perfect for that.
So, I'd say it will dominate japanese sales.
So, I'd say it will dominate japanese sales.
BoboBrazil
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High price and continual high price on the system is the main issue why. The system is over 6 years old now and still costs $249-$299(whatever that might be converted to yen). This had a huge effect on the Japanese market, since PS1 and PS2 were sold much cheaper much earlier in their life. If PS4 starts at $349-$399 at most(which it will) and continually drops down it should have no issues.
Clear
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StifflersMum said:
I'm sticking with my N64/GC level of sales prediction; it's not going to get much third-party support and given the success of 3DS in the region I think that's going to stand against the first party offerings.
You can't sell people the same stuff on mobile and console platforms (*cough* Sony take note) and the motion control boat has long since sailed.
SuperPac
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I'm sure next-gen will be much like this one - differentiation on pack-ins and added value rather than an actual reduction in MSRP. It depends in part on how long it takes Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo to reduce production costs on the next hardware.
If it comes out in 2014, highly unlikely.
Dominate? We'll see. But with games like Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest X coming out on exclusive on the platform (sorry, Bayonetta 2), it's assured to have that demographic clamoring for said platform. Can't underestimate the power of Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest in Japan.
It is if you like quality games.
lunchwithyuzo
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3DS is going to slaughter everything in Japan. I don't think that's really in contention, Wii U, Vita and PS4 will all be fighting for it's scraps.
I think DQXU is going to surprise a lot of people sales wise. There's a big opening for growth opportunity with it.
Price was one of PS3's lesser issues in Japan.
chertipros
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How do you know that?
H_Prestige
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Kind of hard to dominate without games.
lunchwithyuzo
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This applies pretty well to everything that isn't 3DS.
You might be disappointed. Japan has been the historically least price-sensitive market of any region (U.S. seems to be historically the most price-sensitive, for comparison).
*shrugs*
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Unless there's some massive drastic difference with the next gen machines or a launch stacked with FF, DQ, MH, etc then i think PS4/X720 are going to get slaughtered.
By that time they might even be running at 39800 yen vs a 19800 yen basic Wii U - for a country that really doesn't seem to care that much about graphics prowess and with Nintendo franchises dominating i see Nintendo taking Japan, US/Europe a split fight between MS and Sony and i think MS have the momentum there.
But Japan is going to go it's own way.
(so that's the kiss of death , now the exact opposite will happen!)
By that time they might even be running at 39800 yen vs a 19800 yen basic Wii U - for a country that really doesn't seem to care that much about graphics prowess and with Nintendo franchises dominating i see Nintendo taking Japan, US/Europe a split fight between MS and Sony and i think MS have the momentum there.
But Japan is going to go it's own way.
(so that's the kiss of death , now the exact opposite will happen!)
pieatorium
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You just cancelled out Pacthers "WiiU will sell out for 6 months" kiss of death. Two negatives make a positive
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
my comment is pro-Wii U sales and predicting Sony/MS woes in Japan... so that.... means double possitive which means.... i'm not sure anymore!
oh right - because i'm universally wrong with prediction that makes it actually a negative, and so does Pachters so ... yeah,... i get it now
Meesh
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Thing is, it's not simply motion controls anymore. When you jam an extra screen into the mix and pan around the room the game world opens up...I think It remains to be seen where motion controls will lead to with the inclusion of a second screen, so I wouldnt write it off...yet. Looking forward to a horror game that really makes good use of this.
evilromero
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If the PS4 doesn't come out in 2013 then yeah, the Wii U will hold the console market no question.
MrCookiepants
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PS3 didn't have Dragon Quest or Monster and it didn't get dominated by the Wii. Is anyone actually putting any thought into this?
Say Wii U does worse than the Wii (it will) and the PS4 does similarly or better than the PS4 (it could). That isn't domination. That's neck and neck.
Say Wii U does worse than the Wii (it will) and the PS4 does similarly or better than the PS4 (it could). That isn't domination. That's neck and neck.
Even then there's a chance that it won't launch with a game that appeals to a Japanese audience enough to make them want to drop the money on it. Sony would probably have to make a new IP for that unless they can find a way to swing a big name 3rd party at launch(though it wouldn't be a game like MGS or FF). Its definitely going to be interesting though.
I think some of you are overestimating the power of monhun on a home console compared to a handheld.
Either way we don't know enough to come to any conclusion yet. The nature of ps4, the games, the price point and the release date, we need to know these to at least guess properly
ps: regarding the above comment about how they might not have a FF or a MGS for launch...I wouldn't be too sure about it. I'm thinking there's a good reason why we haven't been hearing about FF Versus. My guess is a ps4 launch title (and maybe multiplat with xbox outside of Japan)
Either way we don't know enough to come to any conclusion yet. The nature of ps4, the games, the price point and the release date, we need to know these to at least guess properly
ps: regarding the above comment about how they might not have a FF or a MGS for launch...I wouldn't be too sure about it. I'm thinking there's a good reason why we haven't been hearing about FF Versus. My guess is a ps4 launch title (and maybe multiplat with xbox outside of Japan)
That would be because Wii didn't get basically any of the major otherwise multi-platform games that PS3 got. Wii got an MMO DQ and Monster Hunter 3. PS3 got basically everything else, and Wii still sold ~45% more primarily on the back of 1st-party stuff. The assumption is that third-party support won't be as bad on Wii as it was on Wii U. If that assumption falls through and Wii U third-party support is as absent as Wii's was, then, yeah, Wii U may not dominate.
It may just "win handily" like Wii did this generation.
In Japan? The system was in trouble as early as the beginning of 2008 there. Took 18 months longer for the shine to wear off outside of Japan. Wii U could (and should, unless it gets Wii-level third-party support) easily outsell the underwhelming results Wii did in Japan.
Admittedly there is the angle that Japan is in their own little bubble and can be safely ignored, but for those of us that like games from Japan it's absolutely necessary for a system to do well in Japan and Europe or NA (preferably both). Because if it's only successful in one or the other, well, just look at the PSP and 360 for the extremes.
Yoshi
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Is it that pathetic? Sure, it's not great for a market leader, but Nintendo would have been glad to sell this many GameCubes or Nintendo 64s. On both consoles they also had their first party offerings and they don't seem to be able to repeat Wii Sports, Wii Fit or Brain training, so to best Wii, the Wii U has to be the best selling Nintendo console that didn't have the majority of 3rd Party support - which it probably won't have.
pieatorium
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Depends alot on whether it can get as good a start as the Wii though aswell no? Are you expecting the WiiU to sell 3m+ per year for the first 2 years in japan?
Went through a few iterations and eventually landed on "underwhelming."
Expecting it to sell better in later years than Wii did. First 9 months were sellouts for Wii, and then, it was showing signs of serious trouble within 18 months from launch. Pretty dramatic turnaround for the system.
MrCookiepants
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That would be because Wii didn't get basically any of the major otherwise multi-platform games that PS3 got. Wii got an MMO DQ and Monster Hunter 3. PS3 got basically everything else, and Wii still sold ~45% more primarily on the back of 1st-party stuff. The assumption is that third-party support won't be as bad on Wii as it was on Wii U. If that assumption falls through and Wii U third-party support is as absent as Wii's was, then, yeah, Wii U may not dominate.It may just "win handily" like Wii did this generation.
In Japan? The system was in trouble as early as the beginning of 2008 there. Took 18 months longer for the shine to wear off outside of Japan. Wii U could (and should, unless it gets Wii-level third-party support) easily outsell the pathetic results Wii did in Japan.
Wii U will get a MMO DQ and Monster Hunter ports while the real games stay on 3DS. PS4 will get everything else because Japanese publishers will be putting the western market first when it comes to console games.
That's the way it looks at the moment.
It COULD get some big breakout hits. But this is the best case scenario. It could happen for the PS4 instead.
Wait and see I guess.
Pancakes R Us
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It's Nintendo. The company will find a way to mess it up.
Also, despite Wii selling the most, I don't see it as having dominated Japan. I don't think any home console is going to do that any time soon in Japan again.
SpoonyBard
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Everyone seems to be predicting PS4 to be same old thing from Sony for the fourth time. But what if Sony actually tries to innovate this time, and bring something actually interesting to the table? They could be more successful then, compared to PS3. But if it's dual shock and Final Fantasy again, is the mass market going to care?
Shadow of the BEAST
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as underwhelming as wiiu is. Its still 1000 times better than handhelds.
lets hope so.
lets hope so.
SolidSnakex
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The assumption is that third-party support won't be as bad on Wii as it was on Wii U. If that assumption falls through and Wii U third-party support is as absent as Wii's was, then, yeah, Wii U may not dominate.It may just "win handily" like Wii did this generation.
Right now the Wii U's third party support really isn't look any different than the Wii's. And this is coming off the success of the Wii. Are they going to be able to get the same level of support from NAMCO that Sony has? Are they going to be able to land the next mainline RE and FF games? Then you have the niche devs like Gust, Nippon Ichi, Falcom etc. They're obviously small, but I think they play an important role in expanding a userbase.
There are a lot of questions about the Wii U's third party support worldwide. I really thought that Japanese devs would be all over the Wii U. But as of now that it's far from the case.
One of the things I have been thinking about in regard to Wii U is Nintendo's gamble on hardware innovation. What does Nintendo really expect third-parties to do with the Wii U ? Exclusives have became a dying breed on the 360 and PS3. Unlike Wii, Wii U isn't going to likely have considerably lower development costs to benefit from. Japanese third-parties treated Wii as a niche exclusive platform because they could afford to take more risks with it. Well, that and multiplatform was not ideal fit for Wii.
What is going to convince third-parties to take a gamble on making an original IP for Wii U based mainly around asymmetrical gameplay concepts? While Japan would be more willing to do it than most western third-pary companies, they'll still want to generally keep their big franchises multiplatform and thus, identical in terms of gameplay. That essentially means that the GamePad will probably rarely be used in a way that signicantly changes the core gameplay of any multiplatform title. Are we going to just expect and be pleased with developers resorting to the straight forward and minimalistic approach of Wii U ports receiving off-tv play and being able to move the inventory/map/HUD elements on to the touchscreen ?
What is going to convince third-parties to take a gamble on making an original IP for Wii U based mainly around asymmetrical gameplay concepts? While Japan would be more willing to do it than most western third-pary companies, they'll still want to generally keep their big franchises multiplatform and thus, identical in terms of gameplay. That essentially means that the GamePad will probably rarely be used in a way that signicantly changes the core gameplay of any multiplatform title. Are we going to just expect and be pleased with developers resorting to the straight forward and minimalistic approach of Wii U ports receiving off-tv play and being able to move the inventory/map/HUD elements on to the touchscreen ?
The only coup Nintendo has left to do is getting the mainline Final Fantasy games on their system and the PS4 will be vitafied. Like PSPs decent success in Japan wasn´t of any help to PSV, there is no reason to believe that it´s a sure bet that PS4 will manage to sell like PS3. Actually I think it´s more likely that PS4 will sell even less (more decent start but worse lifetime sales). For the first time Sony launches their console after a Nintendo console, Sony just has a very weak 1st and 2nd party output for the Japanese only GT is a noteworthy franchise right now and former very popular "Playstation" franchises like Musou, Tekken and Ridge Racer have lost considerably their appeal, some more than the others but you get the point. Also I doubt SQEX will be crazy enough to release a mainline FF within its first 10 months which means even more time for WiiU to build a competitive ecosystem.
LiquidSolid
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Both of those games are available on other systems, so I think it's just as important to not overestimate the power of them as well. Especially when DQX isn't exactly what I'd call a real sequel and MH4 is FAR more popular on handhelds.
The OT baffles me, instead of asking people to dis-prove an assumption, how about actually supporting it? Because I've got two questions. First, why would the trend of consoles being increasingly less popular in Japan suddenly reverse, especially given the relatively weak performance of the Wii there? Second, when the 720/PS4 come out, what's stopping major third parties from ditching the WiiU just like they ditched the Wii?
I just can't see it happening at all.
1. wiiu will not beat 3ds but will beat vita 2. there are japanese third parties that cant even do 360, ps3 development right... i fail to see how the financial situation and tech disadvantage is suddenly going to be overcome. also 720 will be a non factor and wiiu will have a headstart.
Easy, we already see WiiU getting decent support with franchises that Wii didn´t get or had to wait years for like 3 different Musou games, Tekken, NG. They basically are breaking SOnys/PS3 exclusive monopoly they had until now form the get go (X360 is irrelevant in Japan). Also it gets 2 of the strongest 3rd party franchises with DQ and MH in its launch period while a quit more fresh MH4HD next year is a likely possibility. On top of that Sonys rising irrelevance in Japan and Nintendos huge and successful franchises. WiiU headstart. This time Japanese 3rd parties have more time before they have to place their bet, softwareengines are much more efficient and scalable and WiiU hardware architecture is by far more competitive than Wii back then.
Another and big reason is that due to PSVs colossal failure the market won´t be as fragmented anymore. PS3 will get more support early next gen than PS4 like PSP is getting considerably more support than PSV, which will even further hurt PS4 sales.
but then again no brainers like persona 4 ultimate, tales of xillia, dmc, doa5, soul calibur 5 (imagine the sales with link in it), re 6, dark souls 2, dragons dogma, mgs rising, ff xiii lightning returns, one piece musou 2, ff xiv are all skipping wiiu.
How will those PS3 games help PS4? Spoiler: They won´t
Also as we know, right now their focus is only on launchtitles.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
but 3DS upport games like MH4U will propel the wii U to greatness as will the Wii up-port of DQX and the 3D up-port of MH3?
Spoiler - these's aren't the silver bullets a lot you think they are. They're HUGE bonuses but they're not megatons from the sky until they become WiiU Exclusive "Monster Hunter 4ZU" and DQ11
Canis lupus
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You said these titles have lost their appeal, but how did they debut on the WiiU? Didn't TTT2 do something like 5k first week? Getting support is one thing, having them sell is another thing. If anything, WiiU might replace the xbox' place in Japan when it comes to console multiplat titles.
A majority of those games aren't on the Wii U for a reason though.
These games will help building up an important and positive image regarding WiiU 3rd party support in Japan, they don´t need to sell the crazy amount the original releases sold and will be successful releases all things considered. A big plus alongside the likely inhouse megasellers from Nintendo.
Also I´m putting it in context of a hypothetical PS4 launchwindowlineup. Please enlighten us what could realistically be launched with PS4 that could be more successful? Be it 1st, 2nd or 3rd party. Please stop downplaying the importance of those games, especially considering that bar a surpise hit there likely won´t be any PS4 launch title that will even come close to those -=silly=- ports
.@Turkish
Let´s wait and see beyond the 1st week sales first. Obviously right now all games are overshadowed by very strong software like Monster Hunter Tri G, NSMBU and NL, with the last to games likely becoming millionsellers in a few months.
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