Evolution_1ne
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lol have you not heard, Sony selling *more* consoles than their competitor is "struggling for relevancy" having a 1 million unit lead is "momentum", at least according to gaf it is
Any reason why the WiiU *won't* dominate Japan?
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Actually the lead is 3-4mio in hardware and alot more in software sales, and this even with Nintendo pulling the plug as early as 2010 in favor of 3DS and Wiiu preparations but who cares about facts
. This gen the difference likely will be even more profound. The gigantic difference between 3DS and PSVita, after a a competitive PSP isn´t exactly a promising precedent.SolidSnakex
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Actually the lead is 3-4mio in hardware and alot more in software sales, and this even with Nintendo pulling the plug as early as 2010 in favor of 3DS and Wiiu preparations but who cares about facts
There's an obvious difference there though. The 3DS was announced March of 2010 and by E3 of that year it already had an incredibly solid third party lineup announced for it
http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/06/15/e3-2010-big-list-of-3ds-games
That was months before the system was even on the market. Now look at the Wii U lineup in comparison to that. Not at all the same ballgame.
I really don't see any reason why the PS4 would be more successfull than the third one... If Japan has been teaching us anything in the last year, i would say PS3 could be better placed to do a psp like renaissance and finally entering the mainstream market. A newly marketed 150 dollars PS3 with lots of anime games and late rpg could well be the best weapon sony has against the WiiU. It could also be mixed with a late anime bluray boom. I'm totally seeing that happening. Nobody here will give a shit about a 450 dollars high tech toy with expensive dudebro games in it.
As for wiiu, well, their chance is to steal massive japan ips and create a more hardcore feel this time. At least i think, if nintendo is still pretty much lost and confused with its own offer, they understood the need for those third party exclusives. That's something.
As for wiiu, well, their chance is to steal massive japan ips and create a more hardcore feel this time. At least i think, if nintendo is still pretty much lost and confused with its own offer, they understood the need for those third party exclusives. That's something.
The chances of any of those 3rd party games coming at launch are really low(though I could see GT coming since it'll have been 4 years by then).
Sorry. but I asked for likely PS4 launch games and not some Sonyfanboy wet dream launchlineup. In other words you can´t name possible launchtitles that will sell as much as those "overrated" upports
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I would argue that WiiU already has a much better and stronger launch lineup than the 3DS had back then.
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And even i am moderately surprised
Sorry. but I asked for likely PS4 launch games and not some Sonyfanboy wet dream launchlineup. In other words you can´t name possible launchtitles that will sell as much as those "overrated" upports
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I would argue that WiiU already has a much better and stronger launch lineup than the 3DS had back then.
Okay - then a load of upports of PS3 games that you just dismissed then? #shrug
is that in the US or Japan?
Snowden's Secret
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Developers porting all their PS3 games to Vita doesn't seem to be doing it any favors, so I'm not sure the reverse process would work either.
And you would be wrong.
DragonSworne
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You are joking right?
3DS launched with steel driver and a gimped version of pilotwings...
SolidSnakex
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Launch lineup? Sure, the Wii U is better. I wasn't arguing that it wasn't better. My argument was that you could look at the lineup for the 3DS and see that it had a very bright future with third party developers. I don't think that you can do that with the Wii U at the moment. The Wii U's biggest third party games in Japan launched with the console. And even those weren't original games. They were HD versions of games that were released on previous platforms. No developer right now is committing those big original projects to the Wii U like they were with the 3DS. You aren't seeing an all new Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil etc. announced for the platform.
It's still a little early to make any real call about the Wii U. I think next week will give us a little bit more of an idea, but still it all comes down to the long term. However, I'm skeptical that the Wii U is going to do anything in Japan. Nothing but a gut feeling based on some conversations with students, friends, and friends in the dev community. I hope I'm wrong, but I'll be enjoying it nonetheless.
Sorry, I was thinking in "planned, already known lineup of projects", not day one releases with the console.
Yes, day one Wii U is way better than 3DS day one catalogue but why are we discussing this? we were talking about the future. When 3DS appeared we already knew about a very good lineup of projects from Nintendo and third parties, and this is not happening with Wii U. Projects will come, I am sure of that, we will know more the next months, but the situations now is like it is.
Paracelsus
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If the market doesn't "fall for" the gimmick then Nintendo needs many many more third party games compared to the Wii in order to build a decent lead so that competition won't be able to catch up.
If the market doesn´t fall for the new movie format medium (PS2 DVD and PS3 BluRay) or if Sony can´t deliver a new one, they have to price their system more reasonable to make a dent at launch. Especially the DVD hype back then was a big selling point when PS2 launched.
Nintendo clearly overcompensated for what they saw as a problem with the 3DS initial unveil where tons of projects were announced and most were delayed or did not come at all.
I'm not saying Wii U is going to receive amazing 3rd party support, but I think it is fair to say by their actions that they made a conscious decision not to unveil late 2013 (or later) stuff right now.
I still maintain a lot of the negativity for Wii U (at least on this board) would go away if Nintendo would give some glimpses at the future lineup. Nintendo's thought process is asinine and misguided IMO.
I wouldn't be so sure. Miiverse could become a very important factor in that equation. Unlike Live or PSN, Miiverse is much more community oriented and ties into all games, not just multiplayer games.
OldJadedGamer
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PS3 launched at only 10,000yen more than PS2. A little over $100 difference in USD. So in comparision, that would be like if the PS3 cost $400 at launch in the US.
We are talking about Japan. 720 is a failure before it is even announced.
You can't really expect any of those to be close to launch titles. DQ/MH seem to be Nintendo titles for now, and unless the PS4 explodes out of the gate like nothing before, are unlikely to be going anywhere. FF XV will take a long while to arrive and we don't even know the development platform yet (Although it's expected to be an Orbis/Durango title) and could be XIII all over again for all we know, and GT at launch is an insane thing to hope for.
lunchwithyuzo
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Some 3rd parties had a rough start on Wii U last week, but that's not exactly unusual. This is how 3rd parties were met at console launches the past decade:
Xbox 360
01 Ridge Racer 6 (Namco) 29,891
02 Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) 6,842
03 FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup (Electronic Arts) 2,494
04 Tetris the Grand Master Ace (AQ Interactive) 1,531
PlayStation 3
01 Ridge Racer 7 (Namco Bandai) 30,318
02 Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire (Namco Bandai) 30,051
03 Mahjong Fight Club: Zenkoku Taisenban (Konami) 2,404
04 Miyazato San Kyoudai Naizou: Sega Golf Club (Sega) 1,394
Wii
01 Super Swing Golf (Tecmo) 12,673
02 Ennichi no Tatsujin (Namco Bandai) 10,292
03 SD Gundam: Scad Hammers (Namco Bandai) 9,801
04 Red Steel (Ubisoft) 8,823
05 Tamagotchi: Party On! (Namco Bandai) 6,994
06 Elebits (Konami) 6,505
07 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (Sega) 4,153
08 Trauma Center: Second Opinion (Atlus) 3,820
09 Crayon Shin-Chan: Saikyou Kazoku Kasukabe King Wii (Banpresto) 3,621
10 Kororinpa: Marble Mania (Hudson) 2,553
11 Escape from Bug Island (Spike) 2,015
12 Monster 4 x 4 World Circuit (Ubisoft) 1,089
13 Wing Island (Hudson) 728
Wii U
01 Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Capcom) 110,149
02 ZombiU (Ubisoft) 11,226
03 Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper (Tecmo Koei) 6,184
?? Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (Tecmo Koei)
?? Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (Namco Bandai)
?? Assassin's Creed III (Ubisoft)
?? Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition (Warner Bros.)
?? FIFA Soccer 13 (Electronic Arts)
?? Mass Effect 3: Special Edition (Electronic Arts)
In general Wii U seems to be business as usual, the only real difference is that not *everyone* bombed week one. Cue the cries of "doesn't count".
MidnightScott
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I'm loving that Wii U does have 3rd party support just hope they will keep supporting it instead of abandoning or not even bothering
H_Prestige
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The reason Wii U can't dominate has little to do with the ps4 succeeding or failing. It's because of the ps3 and its 9 million user base and the already de facto home console in Japan and for Japanese devs. Whatever devs don't flock to 3ds and continue making home console games can either go next gen with the ps4/720, or they can stick with current gen production quality with ps3/wii u. In neither scenario does nintendo dominate the home console scene. Only way for that to happen is with a repeat of wii sports and wii fit.
lunchwithyuzo
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In a world where everything is PS3/Wii U, Nintendo automatically dominates by virtue of 1st party alone. That's like Iwata's dream scenario.
Also, PS3 just passed 8.5 million.
kunonabi
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Huh?
We know Project 101, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros., Rayman, Lego City, Game&Wario, Wii Fit U,Pikmin 3, ROTK, and Shin Hokuto musou are all on the way. That isn't a really huge downgrade from the 3DS. Hell quite a bit stuff on the intial list for the 3DS turned out to be be vaporware and the bombs didn't really start dropping until that legendary Nintendo Direct.
And there is a big chance that Nintendo is developing a couple of big hit titles for the WiiU. They have so much IPs that the chances are high one of them will propel WiiU above the ps3 or 4.
I guess so. Miiverse is interesting but I'm not sure it's that killer app yet. I use it often but I like discussing stuff and posting in forums. I think devs need to integrate miiverse tightly into their games for it to have any effect on sales. We'll see, though. I think it's an interesting thought.
Barack Lesnar
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Yeah, I feel more and more Japan devs will cater their games towards the western market this upcoming gen. The console market in Japan will continue to spiral towards irrelevancy, so while the Wii U might 'dominate' it wouldn't be too advantageous overall, certainly not the 20 million or whatever the Wii sold in Japan.
I doubt Miiverse will have any effect on sales whatsoever, in any region.
walking fiend
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The only major 3rd party game that has been released so far for 3DS is MH Tri G [and then announcement of MH4] and they weren't planned.
Of course we knew and we know that Wii U will receive support from Nintendo, duh.
This bulky controller is already not much more expensive than PS3.
H_Prestige
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The only guaranteed first party hits they have are from Zelda and 3D Mario. There is no guarantee they get another wii sports or another wii fit. I doubt NSMB can last as a long term franchise, at least not until Nintendo actually changes the game's style.
Nintendo's first party can't make up for 8.5 million deficit.
InsaneZero
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You must not be up-to-date with what goes on in Japan if you believe Zelda is still a guaranteed hit, or that these two franchises are the only two Nintendo franchises that are huge over there.
H_Prestige
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Get me up to speed then. Mario Kart? What other mega first party hits do they have?
In Japan Nintendo had 13 titles break a million units sold on the Wii, with 5 selling over 3 million.
I'll give you 3 guesses on how many PS3 titles broke a million first and third party.
H_Prestige
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List them and tell me which ones are guaranteed to be replicated on Wii U.
I don't give a shit about your 3 guesses since I never said Sony had a strong third party.
InsaneZero
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Super Smash Brothers. The most obvious one that should come to mind almost immediately.
Aside from those they've got a decent amount of quirky yet somehow large franchises like Rhythm Heaven going on along with reliable safe sellers like Fire Emblem. I also think that they might leverage a good thing that they've got going with Monolith Soft.
Nothing is guaranteed. Out of the announced games, I would say NSMB is a lock for a million and Wii Fit is likely
Edit- and Smash of course.
So that would already be more million sellers than PS3 produced.
Can´t say they will be million sellers but these Nintendo games have the potential to reach this high:
Mario "Universe"
Smash Bros.
Mario Kart
Wii Sports 2
Wii Party
Donkey Kong Counry
Mario Party
Animal Crossing
New Super Mario Bros.
Nintendoland
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But its not going to make a better Wii Sports or Wii Fit is it?
I'm not criticizing Wii-U for what it is, which is actually pretty cool, its more for me that it hasn't got an easily communicated, eye-catching gimmick like motion controls were in 2006.
The big problem as far as I'm concerned is that although there are interesting thing you can do with the tablet controller, none of them are that compelling in themselves that they can float the whole system.
So you can play the new Mario game with the TV turned off... that'd be a big deal if everyone didn't already have a 3DS! Besides, do people want to play different versions of the same games with the same characters at home as they are doing riding the train to the office?
Barack Lesnar
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I'd say Mario, Smash Bros., and Kart are the only surefire blockbusters there. The Wii___ line will probably sell a fraction of its Wii versions. Nintendoland seems to have disappointed. Donkey Kong isn't big enough. No idea about Animal Crossing or Pikmin 3. The new Zelda will probably be a blockbuster, forgot about that. Just the fact that it's HD will have a lot of impact.
shinra-bansho
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What's being defined as dominating Japan?
Only one third-party title by my recollection. The same number as on the Wii.
It actually does make a better Wii Fit because people like watching TV while they work out, which you can't do on Wii Fit or +.
As far as Wii Sports goes, I'm unconvinced. Showing the lie in Wii Golf isn't really making the game better, it's just slightly interesting.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yall arguing with a clueless man I hope thats known.
walking fiend
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Like selling more than 3 times SW/HW?
If the jump from Wii Sports Resort to Wii Sports 2 is as big as the jump from the original to Resort, then I think it'll do very well. Resort done great and it required Motion Plus as well. The only question is whether Nintendo can implement the screen into the gameplay as well as they did the Wiimote, which is a tall order.
I'd say the bolded are a sure to pass a million. I can't remember how well DKC:R sold in Japan, and I still don't know if Nintendoland will keep selling in a year or two, we'll just have to see. I know Mario Party always does well, but is it a million seller? That's already 5 though, pretty good.
shinra-bansho
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Then, no.
Essentially, expectation that it will replicate the PS2? It won't, I don't think anything can.
As under that definition the Wii hasn't 'dominated' Japan either (12.5M vs 8.5M HW and 60M vs 40M SW). That was with the phenomenon of Wii Sports, against a much more expensive PlayStation.
And I don't see how the Wii U will do what the Wii failed to do, considering the "hook" doesn't have the same mass-market appeal, imo. Even given better third-party support, which is somewhat untested assumption at this point.
Unless Sony does something absolutely stupid, which isn't in the realm of impossibility.
metalslimer
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Wii U will "dominate" just by the fact that the PS4 will probably "bomb" with the likely very high price for Japan and obviously the 720 will bomb. None of that big 3rd party software mattered for the PS3 until the price was reasonable and Japan is a very price sensitive region. Of course the real question is whether dominating Japan as a console will mean anything. It's not going to lead to mega 3rd party exclusive support because Japanese 3rd parties who target HD consoles mainly want to do well in the west, and most of the rest will be comfortable continuing on the 3DS.
About the point of the PS4 having every big Japanese 3rd party franchise, I don't know when people are expecting those to show up because all the big series are coming to PS3/360 are have come in the last year. FF, MGS (unless we're being lied to and 5 is next gen), and RE all won't be there in the first year. I guess Sega could be working on a PS4 Yakuza and Namco could be working on a PS4 tales, but with Sega's financials situation I don't know why in god's name they would abandon the PS3
About the point of the PS4 having every big Japanese 3rd party franchise, I don't know when people are expecting those to show up because all the big series are coming to PS3/360 are have come in the last year. FF, MGS (unless we're being lied to and 5 is next gen), and RE all won't be there in the first year. I guess Sega could be working on a PS4 Yakuza and Namco could be working on a PS4 tales, but with Sega's financials situation I don't know why in god's name they would abandon the PS3
Yeah, I agree. Resort was good. It's just, after thinking about it for a bit, I can't think of any sports that the GamePad (or GamePad/Wii Remote +) could do significantly better than the Wii Remote + by itself. Nintendo has their work cut out for them on Wii Sports U.
walking fiend
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The thing is, it's not like 3DS is dominating Japan only because it's replicating DS sales, but because PSV is heavily underperforming; it's quite probable that the whole home console market has shrunk since the PS2 generation [just the opposite of the west].
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