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Frecklestein
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that twerking in public thread. That video.
JPeeples83
Member
WWE never said that Watts, Gagne, and Inoki were WWE greats - just that WWE was giving them a Hall of Fame induction. WWE has treated women's matches like a joke for the better part of two decades now. They tried a serious push in the '80s when it sorta worked briefly and again in the early to mid '90s and it didn't click. They got this NXT women's revolution over AND GOT THE ACTS OVER AS MAIN EVENTERS.
They weren't treated like women on the card, they were treated like top acts who happened to be women and there's a big difference between the two. One gets gravy bowl and pillow fight matches, and a division that isn't taken seriously because it can't be taken seriously. WWE is trying to force-feed this revolution bullshit and it's not working because it's so poorly-done.
They're telling you there's a revolution, but not actually building the foundation to make the change. I can say I've got 20 million dollars in the bank until I'm blue in the face, but that's not going to make my bank account balance go up any higher. WWE took the NXT women and just plopped the act, not the well-developed characters, but the acts into WWE ice cold.
HERE'S EMMA, SHE DANCES.
HERE'S SASHA, SHE HAS SHADES AND SAYS SHE'S THE BOSS
HERE'S BECKY, SHE'S WACKY
HERE'S PAIGE, SHE'S MOODY
CHARLOTTE IS RIC FLAIR'S DAUGHTER WOO HORSEMEN WOO
They're all one note acts with no substance to them at all and they're failing - not due to their doing, but WWE's failure. Ronda Rousey didn't get over because UFC said there's a women's revolution - she got over by talking shit, breaking arms, and kicking ass. WWE is name-dropping her and every other big female athlete they can think of but don't understand that they got over for compelling stories in one form or fashion - not for being women with a marketing machine yelling REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION all the time.
It isn't even a matter of needing a top-notch roster to do a revolution with. TNA legitimately made the knockouts into the biggest ratings-movers in company history. They didn't yell "revolution", they just made women a featured act of the show not because they were women, but because they were characters that either had well-defined characters like the Beautiful People with perfect chemistry outside of the ring, while a classic series of Gail vs. Kong gave the division a foundation that is still being lived off of and to some degree at least trying to be met by the younger women on the roster who know that they will be judged by the division peak - which also happened to be its beginning.
Impact -
Hardys-EC3 stuff sucked at the beginning and then the ERIC YOUNG THE BADASS video didn't exactly help matters. EY-Melendez sucked. Uno did what he does best - have a match that made no waves or memorable impression on the audience while retaining a title no one cares about. Tag title match wasn't much - although everything with Manik was good. Brooke vs. Velvet was okay, I guess. Lots of Brooke's ass. Can't go wrong with the cheesecake video either, and Rebel joining the Dollhouse is a good move. She still gets to be on TV, and Crazzy Steve doesn't.
The main event talking segment was something else. We got Dixie Carter giving a lecture on running a successful business, Jeff Jarrett saying that hard work made TNA successful in the past (but not the present), DETECTIVE DREW GALLOWAY using his criminology degree to logically solve a case in pro wrestling, and then the GFW roster beating down TNA's roster of goobers to close the show.
http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-...four-way-no-1-contenders-match-for-kotm-title
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UP NEXT - ONE OF THESE TWO THINGS.
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/67bggme2dm5h61qjuytqvuj5a3dup93v
brisk tacos
Banned
Maybe. But at the same time, people still laud the cruiserweight division and Smackdown Six era when neither of those had real angles and were strictly matches for the sake of matches. The Divas Revolution stuff is booked pretty much exactly the same as those. Cruisers and SS had zero character development. Everyone loves La Parka, but how many great WCW matches and feuds can people recall?
Jimmy King
Member
This is a good point. This generation of wrasslin won't be remembered by matches or feuds, but by gifs. What kind of gifs do Divas matches usually produce? The IWC needs to take a good long look in the mirra and ask itself what it really wants out of these women.
I have hope though, as Sasha/Bayley was a success in every aspect: from the match, to the feud/story, and most importantly: the gifs.
The Shapesmith
Member
So I just read that they are looking to cut some people from NXT and bring in 4-6 new talents. Thus far Rich Swann, Biff Busick seem like locks for 2 spots and Gargano, Ciampa, Kana, Athena and Sarah Stock are all contenders as well. Wondering if any of the tv crew could get axed like Carmella or Lefort and Louis? Thoughts?
JPeeples83
Member
Both the SD six and cruiserweight eras delivered incredible matches, which the divas revolution girls did...in NXT. On the main roster, there have been a couple of exceptional matches - but nothing regularly has been very good. Long matches aren't always good ones. La Parka's matches weren't what he was known for in WCW - it was everything before them with the chair and the mannerisms. His charisma got him over, not his ringwork.
Ciampa is currently pissed at Meltzer for saying in the Observer that he has neck issues. I guess he forgot about doing a shoot interview talking about seriously injuring his neck AT A WWE TAPING as an extra years ago. Nope - if he doesn't get signed, it's all due to a reporter and not a guy coming in hurt. WWE, now more than ever before, isn't going to take a risk on someone. Plus, he's also got a badly-damaged knee too.
Guys like Lefort and Dawson who have been kicking around for a pretty long time seem likely.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
noooooo
blackaroni
Member
It would be nice if they removed members from the Wyatt family...starting with Bray.
The Shapesmith
Member
If they are going to bring someone in to be Sister Abigail can we at least get Daffney to play the part?
Jimmy King
Member
Audrey Marie <3freckle was right.
brisk tacos
Banned
A lot of this I agree with in principle. But you're also acting like Divas being the main event happened over night. It took nearly a year of building the foundation of "women can actually wrestle" in NXT before they even got to giving them a title and real angles. And it took another 2 years before they were able to be considered a co-main event. People seem to forget that Bayley vs Sasha was really a nearly 3 year build for the women to get to that spot. If it took 3 years in NXT in the same building with the same fans, why is everyone expecting that it's going to happen overnight on Raw?
When it comes to TNA, they had the advantage of not having 20 years of baggage of women's wrestling being treated as a joke and an excuse to get women into their underwear. WWE doesn't. They have to take time to reset it, just like they did in NXT, and just like they did by taking 2-3 years to fully reeducate their audience to an almost completely different style of wrestling after 2008. It's only been a little over a month. It's going to take some time. Raw crowds are a difference audience than NXT crowds. You have to give the Divas Revolution stuff time, because it is going to take a lot of time. People immediately shitting on it and not being supportive are not seeing the bigger picture. #givedivasachance isn't just a dumb twitter thing. People literally need to have patience and give them a chance, otherwise this whole thing is going to fail and women's wrestling outside of NXT will never be anything but a joke.
Consider it growing pains. All the people shitting all over it are just giving ammunition to the people in charge who don't give a shit about women's wrestling. This is a situation where the smart fans need to be supportive even if they aren't all that into the angle/matches, because without them, the whole thing tanks and the 3 years of work in NXT means nothing.
funkystudent
Member
Agreed. Someone show him the stairs.
That gif is like a representation of what that Cena feud did to his career.
JPeeples83
Member
The people are shitting on it because the people in charge are giving them reasons to not care. When you're even playing the "we're doing a revolution" card, you don't have them all on Miz fucking TV. Promos aren't the strong point of any of them, and they highlighted their weaknesses. Even if they were strong with promos, the wording they were given was dreadful.
Dana White didn't want women in UFC. He didn't even want Ronda in the UFC until things clicked into place. The NXT revolution didn't happen overnight - but it had a far stronger foundation than this does. Here, it's a revolution because THE LORD AND SAVIOR OF WOMEN IN SPORTS STEPHANIE MCMAHON HAS DECREED IT. Instead of a video getting the new acts over - hell, just showing Becky talking about Balor would get her over in a heartbeat, we get videos about Stephanie starting this revolution because Corporate Vissionary Stephanie McMahon wanted a revolution, so then out of nowhere, we get some random teams.
We aren't given reasons for their formation, why they're allies, or reasons for the names beyond "hey, let's trademark some names" and they act like this surface-level bullshit is enough. The fans are letting them know that they expect more - and given that THESE VERY WOMEN DID MORE under the WWE umbrella, that's a reasonable expectation. They've got the perfect modern-day formula to look at in both Ronda Rousey and what THE COMPANY ITSELF IS DOING IN NXT and they've decided nope, that doesn't work - we need to do something DIFFERENT. And it's failing, and will continue to fail until the foundation is made stronger by ending this stupid team-based bullshit and just having feuds.
We still have no real reason for this feud beyond "every team wants to take credit for the revolution", which makes them all seem heelish and on-air, they aren't the reason for - Stephanie is, and she isn't losing to any of them.
blackaroni
Member
Such a beautiful gif.Agreed. Someone show him the stairs.
But the big problem with the cruiserweight division was that after a period of amazing matches, it grew stale specifically because the cruiserweights weren't allowed to be anything higher on the card or get big angles, just the opening match guys wrestling the same opponents. Anytime they did start to get angles, they were constantly cut short or quashed. It was this that caused many of the cruiserweights to leave, including the Radicalz and Jericho.
The Smackdown Six period also absolutely had an angle. Kurt Angle to be exact. That period started with the angle of the WWE tag team belts being created for Smackdown to match RAW's World tag team titles. Angle and Benoit were enemies forced to team together for the tournament, and succeeding despite hating each other. Somewhat similar to Team Hell No. Edge/Mysterio and Los Guerrero rounded it out as the other main teams.
So I don't know why you're claiming the Smackdown Six period didn't have angles or characters. It also featured extremely great tag matches, and it only lasted a matter of months anyway.
Frecklestein
Banned
HeisenbergLannister
Member
Well I completely agree with both of you and have said the same things, but the problem is Vince.
He goes from debuting the Lucha Dragons and Ascension, then two weeks later he's given up on them (albeit in the Ascension's case he might be right, but the Dragons could be huge merch movers and a good tag team to keep around...if not botching).
If the dirt sheets are to be believed, Vince was never in total support of the revolution and Steph and HHH basically had to talk him into it, with help from Rousey and the U.S. Women's soccer team making national news at the time helping a lot.
Does Vince have the patience to ride out the bumpy beginnings and re-condition his audience, or will he flip his shit and immediately change course if things don't get better in a week or two?
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I don't know why you guys are so surprised about the women in wwe just being one-note and made to be easily marketable.
That's what happens to everyone. When will you guys learn you aren't watching a wrestling program anymore?
That's what happens to everyone. When will you guys learn you aren't watching a wrestling program anymore?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You guys have been way over-dramatizing the women's thing for like weeks.
If you just thought of it as "three girls are promoted from NXT" you never would have questioned why the dumb way its booked happened. Instead you got worked by Steph delivering a promo with a catch phrase.
If you just thought of it as "three girls are promoted from NXT" you never would have questioned why the dumb way its booked happened. Instead you got worked by Steph delivering a promo with a catch phrase.
It's incredible. Life is Strange's time as my GOTY has come to end.
Frecklestein
Banned
She did a good job selling and we want a refund.
BronsonLee
Member
Nah instead I'd just be wishing they weren't called up for my own selfish pleasure.
lovely ladies
Member
Sweeney Tom
Banned
It's actually good?
How much do you like Heavy Rain and how much do you like Scream?
lovely ladies
Member
I never finished Heavy Rain lol, just checked out the ending on youtube. I'll probably like Until Dawn better than Heavy Rain if it's corny like Scream.
It's a much better version of Heavy Rain. I just use it as a reference because there's really nothing else like it. Kind of a mix of that gameplay style and the early Silent Hill games.
The main thing about it, the main draw, is that it's an amazing asshole simulator. You can let people die over the much insignificant shit purely out of spite.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Decided to watch Wrestlemania 18 tonight, and the first words you hear when the broadcast stars is "Please welcome Island Records recording artist...SALIVA!" Yup, this is early 00s WWE.
dream
Member
I LOVE BOTH SO MUCH
seriously.
Fuck.
I had no idea what Until Dawn was until I accidentally clicked on a thingy and saw that it was an interactive slasher flick and that is so awesome but this smells like a game that will be heavily discounted soon so maybe i will wait for it to hit the magic price point and i think the magic price point might be $29.99 i don't know I suppose I could stomach it at $39.99 but I don't think I'd feel good about myself it I bought it at that price but at the same time I pretty much play kideos only for the stories and if this is truly story driven it could possibly be worth an 80 dollar purchase but man i dunno because i wish I loved Beyond more than I did I mean I liked it but there were parts of it that were just dreadful which is kind of sad because I play all david cage games knowing that at some point the frenchman is going to fuck me in the ass like oh say purple internet aliens in farenheit or the reveal of the origami killer in heavy rain but it seems that the ass fucking in beyond came from not being explicitly fucked in the ass but rather being fucked in the ass with a slow drip of mediocrity i dunno man 80 dollars is a lot to pay for a game like this i kind of wish blockbuster video still existed because this seems like a perfect rental alongside maybe sleepaway camp 1 and we could just make a weekend of it like we did when we were kids so yeah i'm thinking maybe 29.99 would be good because I can see this being what we called red spine greatest hits games if it were on playstation 3 i dunno we'll see what happens
It's actually good?
Why are you shocked, friend? Game has looked dope since it's reveal.
I really don't understand when someone says "I like that Steph came out to introduce the new NXT women, because it made them feel important". What? She just assigned them random teams (Alicia Fox was with the Bellas before, but they just stuck her with the twins because "reasons"). Did Owens get introduced by Triple H? Neville? Any guy from NXT ever? Nope, they just came out and did their shit, started feuding with someone, and that's that.
Now we have a 9 women feud going on, for god knows what motive since none of the girls are asking for a title shot or anything like that. Was it that hard to have a random NXT girl interfere in a match and have an individual feud with that person and so on?
God it makes me so mad that we have such talented women ready to make a huge change at how they're looked upon in "the business", and Vince just goes "nope" and just has Cena bury everyone for the umpteenth time.
Now we have a 9 women feud going on, for god knows what motive since none of the girls are asking for a title shot or anything like that. Was it that hard to have a random NXT girl interfere in a match and have an individual feud with that person and so on?
God it makes me so mad that we have such talented women ready to make a huge change at how they're looked upon in "the business", and Vince just goes "nope" and just has Cena bury everyone for the umpteenth time.
John Cena did nothing to ruin Bray Wyatt's career. Bray Wyatt is doing just fine. He has a storyline with a third family member, and has had matches at SummerSlam and Wrestlemania against the WWE's top stars.
What do you want? Do you want the Bray Wyatt hour complete with a 30-minute singalong? Do you want him to have the WWE championship?
There are plenty of reasons to dislike John Cena. Can't you pick one that's at least true?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
The thing is, though, that the John Cena feud - and the absolutely embarrassing cage match, specifically - totally took the teeth out of Bray Wyatt as any kind of threatening presence. Wyatt's doing fine, but considering many hoped he would be a new Undertaker, it's a bit of a disappointment to see him drift from pointless feud to pointless feud, with creative seemingly having no interest in evolving his character post-Cena feud.
Ninja Scooter
Member
What if it was Fandango that returned as the third member of the Wyatts, only they didnt' change his gimmick or look. He was still just Fandango?
Frecklestein
Banned
The Silver
Member
The thing is WWE isn't trying to lay any ground work and slowly change perceptions of the women, they're doing the same damn shit they always do and calling it a revolution. No wait instead of a 3 minute meaningless match now it's a 10 minute meaningless match.
Whatever I knew from the second they tried to coin the term "divas revolution" into some brand instead of just doing it that it would fail. They aren't trying to get over any of the women as individuals, they aren't trying to make stars, they're trying to get over the "divas revolution".
Whatever I knew from the second they tried to coin the term "divas revolution" into some brand instead of just doing it that it would fail. They aren't trying to get over any of the women as individuals, they aren't trying to make stars, they're trying to get over the "divas revolution".