Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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Ninja Scooter
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should be 100%
I just couldn't see anything so drastic being done. They're already too invested in the universe they've created. Could we see director changes or something? That's definitely possible, but there's no way they're pulling out of this huge plan that's in motion at this point.
bananafactory
Banned
So this is brief because you've all read the same complaints a thousand times by now and it'll be hard to elaborate much without spoiling stuff.
-The first half of this movie is utterly dreadful. Absolutely nothing happens. I have no idea how you can have Batman AND Superman in a movie and make it this fucking dull for this long. Then all of the action is packed together in a mashup of things that happen for the sake of happening and make no sense.
-The characters all suck. Bruce and Clark are written as two of the most unlikable, uncharismatic leads I've ever seen in a superhero movie. The buildup to the fight is literally a series of scenes about them pouting and spewing the same points over and over again. Did I say superhero movie? These aren't what I would call heroes.
-Wonder Woman vs Doomsday was actually more exciting than Batman v Superman, and it was still completely unremarkable.
-The trailers really did show you everything.
Most of all, the film just fails at absolutely everything required to actually enjoy something. It's confusing, mean spirited, and depressing. I have a thousand questions to ask but I honestly don't care enough about the answers to bother.
-The first half of this movie is utterly dreadful. Absolutely nothing happens. I have no idea how you can have Batman AND Superman in a movie and make it this fucking dull for this long. Then all of the action is packed together in a mashup of things that happen for the sake of happening and make no sense.
-The characters all suck. Bruce and Clark are written as two of the most unlikable, uncharismatic leads I've ever seen in a superhero movie. The buildup to the fight is literally a series of scenes about them pouting and spewing the same points over and over again. Did I say superhero movie? These aren't what I would call heroes.
-Wonder Woman vs Doomsday was actually more exciting than Batman v Superman, and it was still completely unremarkable.
-The trailers really did show you everything.
Most of all, the film just fails at absolutely everything required to actually enjoy something. It's confusing, mean spirited, and depressing. I have a thousand questions to ask but I honestly don't care enough about the answers to bother.
DryEyeRelief
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If I liked Superman returns will I like this movie?
Short attention spans?
Absolutely. Like you said, it's not like WB doesn't have a precedence of canning the sequels for underperforming movies. If they did it for Green Lantern and Superman Returns, it's definitely possible here.
Now that the RT has settled, I'm anxious to see how the BO performs. Is a billion really the floor for what's acceptable?
Jack Remington
Banned
There might be movies out there that were more of a waste than Superman Returns. But not many. Certainly none of Snyder's, though I haven't seen the owl movie.
Sucker Punch > Superman Returns.
Spacey was a better Lex than Cera though.
Edit: Prometheus is probably one of the 10 worst films of all time that actually got a real production and promotional budget.
Sucker Punch > Superman Returns.
Spacey was a better Lex than Cera though.
Edit: Prometheus is probably one of the 10 worst films of all time that actually got a real production and promotional budget.
Saw it.
As a Marvel/Nolan Trilogy fanboy, I felt it actually is a bit better than what the RT score would lead to believe. Baffleck is great. Despite what people said, I loved
That said, the Batman part was still rather strange. I got Fandango's promotion where I reserved tickets online and got some digital comic books out of it. Because of the free issues, I read and finished The Dark Knight Returns and man, that was a great book. Apparently Zack Snyder felt the same way, considering that half of Alfred and Batman's lines were lifted from there for no good reason.
Frankly it was odd. There are these setups taken straight from the comic book pages and I still felt a wide disconnect between TDKR and Batman v. Superman, reminiscent of how earlier posters were talking about him missing the point of Watchmen. Things like the "psychotic" line is just condescending and insulting, completely unlike the way it was used in TDKR. Overall, the whole movie really did felt like it was reaching for intellectual and thematic ledges that it did not deserve.
Emotional too. I still don't give a flip about Superman.
As a Marvel/Nolan Trilogy fanboy, I felt it actually is a bit better than what the RT score would lead to believe. Baffleck is great. Despite what people said, I loved
murderous Batman who just no longer gave a fuck. Go Batman! Pop 'em just like how they popped your papa and mama!
That said, the Batman part was still rather strange. I got Fandango's promotion where I reserved tickets online and got some digital comic books out of it. Because of the free issues, I read and finished The Dark Knight Returns and man, that was a great book. Apparently Zack Snyder felt the same way, considering that half of Alfred and Batman's lines were lifted from there for no good reason.
Frankly it was odd. There are these setups taken straight from the comic book pages and I still felt a wide disconnect between TDKR and Batman v. Superman, reminiscent of how earlier posters were talking about him missing the point of Watchmen. Things like the "psychotic" line is just condescending and insulting, completely unlike the way it was used in TDKR. Overall, the whole movie really did felt like it was reaching for intellectual and thematic ledges that it did not deserve.
Emotional too. I still don't give a flip about Superman.
TransTrender
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Hmm. Don't know where to go with this one.
Didn't see John Carter but Prometheus (IMO) was a poorly made movie (in different ways than BvS) and it was still better than BvS. Even with all the flaws in Prometheus it kept me engaged all the way through while with BvS I was extremely bored by an hour in.
ReginaldXIV
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Does Hollywood even care about Domestic gross anymore? With China and South Korea eating up every summer blockbuster they give them, I bet this will do 500+ mil worldwide regardless of quality.
Ninja Scooter
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Superman Returns makes Ang Lee's Hulk look as exciting as Mad Max.
They don't have to kill all their plans. Delay the movie for a year, ditch Snyder and Terrio, and get a new creative team on board. George Miller would be perfect if he's up for it. Maybe he can finally make that Tower of Babel film lol.
cityhunter
Banned
Hahahahahahahaha why the fuck are you here then? I assume you're one of those that automatically hate certain types of movies and think that will let others know that they have better taste and have a high horse attitude.
Jack Remington
Banned
Fucking this. It was just a complete waste of time. There's no point to its existence.
if i liked ang lee's hulk will i like batman vs superman
Man, Iron Man 3 had some weird-ass issues where so much things just didn't make sense. It had a lot of cool moments but then there's shit like
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It was stupid and tone-deaf, but I still like the movie because I love MCU Iron Man. Just a damn shame how quality kept rolling down with each installment.
ono pepper pottz died welp time to settle the final fight sup mk 42, time to be lovably clumsy again
It was stupid and tone-deaf, but I still like the movie because I love MCU Iron Man. Just a damn shame how quality kept rolling down with each installment.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Abso-fucking-lutely. They get more money here, and its still more often than not the single largest market. A larger bite of the biggest slice of pie is really important to them, and will be for awhile to come.
Making 200 mil in China is not the same as making 200 mil stateside. It looks pretty for the horserace, but while more money is better than less, we're not in the position yet where studios are able to shrug their shoulders at weak domestic simply because the international is picking up more slack.
Jack Remington
Banned
Fucking yes. IM2 >>>> IM3.
super-heated plasma
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Just got back. I liked it. A lot of it was great, and a lot I would have done differently. Superman wasn't quite as mopey some say(though his moments still needed to seem more heroic than dour, which I think the score had a lot to do with). Its nowhere near as bad as most reviews suggest. Case in point: They say there is no humor or jokes. Sure there are not as many is in Marvel flicks, but there were several times the audience laughed at Alfreds jokes and others. Affleck was great I thought, and I really dug his Batman. My main disappointment is that in a move called Batman vs, Superman, there's very little Batman vs Superman!
Also can someone help me out here:
Also can someone help me out here:
How did Lex know their Bruces secret identity? He sets up Bruce to hate Superman by scrawling hate messages on documents, and I assume he knew Clarks from the Kryptonian ship library somehow.
cityhunter
Banned
Also I enjoyed the movie and thought it was good. The only problem is the timeline felt it could be longer
Also publicity in your home country.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The idea that Singer had pitched (he kept comparing it to Wrath of Khan, I'm betting due to a Kobayashi Maru scenario at the core of it - kinda like the one Goyer wrote Clark into at the end of Man of Steel, really) was that we'd flash forward to when the Superbrat had gained his powers, and basically went bad with them. Clark would ultimately have to fight his own bastard son.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
So I just got back from the movie. Are all those rotten reviews correct? Yes. Should you give the movie a watch? Yeah. It's stupid, poorly written, way too much social commentary, none of the character's motivation makes any sense, and the Batman v Superman in the title is disappointing. But hey the final fight with Doomsday is cool and I like Wonder Woman (even though I'm not huge on her accent) but in the end it's an overly bloated movie with a director with no grasp on the characters. If WB wants to make a Justice League movie that can rival The Avengers, they need a better director other than Zack Snyder.
bananafactory
Banned
Oh yeah, you can't even compare the Justice League crap in this to the stuff in Iron Man 2.
It's so much worse. I have no idea why it wasn't just a post credit stinger.
It's so much worse. I have no idea why it wasn't just a post credit stinger.
Iron Man 3 is the best Iron Man. And after Civil War the IM trilogy will be the 2nd best trilogy in the genre.
You want to talk about a movie that completely destroys a character in its 3rd movie, look no further than TDKR.
They're the two biggest comic book/superhero characters of all time, it makes sense.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I thought it a little incongruous that a man so well known for long, blustering, profane, overheated youtube venting sessions ties so much of his identity up in Superman's iconography, actually.
Like, how can you like Clark that much and apparently not internalize any of the man's positive aspects?
First half or so I thought was actually pretty cool.
Then it got mega dumb.
Then it was kind of ok.
Overall I actually had a pretty fun time. I hated MoS and had really low expectations but it was alright and had its moments both high and low.
That being said I don't think these guys have any idea of who these characters actually are or what makes them so special.
Then it got mega dumb.
Then it was kind of ok.
Overall I actually had a pretty fun time. I hated MoS and had really low expectations but it was alright and had its moments both high and low.
That being said I don't think these guys have any idea of who these characters actually are or what makes them so special.
Zeyphersan
Banned
That's putting it mildly
Ninja Scooter
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he gave us TDK Trilogy. He has nothing left to give us.
But....pls ;_;
Raitosaito
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Some opinions just hurt to read
Frosty Droid
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I always just assumed the "angry" part was more of an act that he played up. I mean yeah he's sincere about not liking things, but the angry rant is his persona.
illmatic22
Banned
He needs to bless us again
Spiderman is third.
cityhunter
Banned
And yet here you are
Ninja Scooter
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