Best First Party this Gen doesn't even seem like a close contest

Andrex said:
Disagree.
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Gamecube was awesome. Mario Galaxy > Sunshine but sunshine was awesome. Windwaker>>>>>Twilight princes MP1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MP3 Brawl is about the same IMO. And then theirs RE4, Eternal Darkness, etc.
 
godhandiscen said:
Too late to predict the thread, but are the most people disagreeing saying that Nintendo's first party lineup is superior, and holding that Mario Galaxy alone is worth 10 other first party titles? That would be the only way I see a fanboy could come up with an argument against the OP.
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To be fair I really wouldn't take this thread seriously.

The vast majority of people in here don't even know what 1st party is.
 
Shurs said:
What a shitty list. It contains both third party published games and non-exclusives.
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Alan Wake
Amped 3
APB
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Banjo Tooie
Blue Dragon
Crackdown
Dead or Alive 4
Fable 2
Forza 2
Forza 3
Gears of War
Gears of War 2
Geometry Wars Retro Evolved 2
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Infinate Undiscovery
Kameo
Lips
Lost Odyssey
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Ninety Nine Nights
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Project Gotham Racing 4
Scene It?
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Too Human
Viva Pinata
Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise
You're in the Movies


Happy?
 
sol_bad said:
Alan Wake
Amped 3
APB
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Banjo Tooie
Blue Dragon
Crackdown
Dead or Alive 4
Fable 2
Forza 2
Forza 3
Gears of War
Gears of War 2
Geometry Wars Retro Evolved 2
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Infinate Undiscovery
Kameo
Lips
Lost Odyssey
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Ninety Nine Nights
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Project Gotham Racing 4
Scene It?
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Too Human
Viva Pinata
Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise
You're in the Movies


Happy?
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Alan Wake come out? How is that game? And you forgot Braid since your putting xbla games, and games that are available on pc.
 
sol_bad said:
Alan Wake
Amped 3
APB
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Banjo Tooie
Blue Dragon
Crackdown
Dead or Alive 4
Fable 2
Forza 2
Forza 3
Gears of War
Gears of War 2
Geometry Wars Retro Evolved 2
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Infinate Undiscovery
Kameo
Lips
Lost Odyssey
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Ninety Nine Nights
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Project Gotham Racing 4
Scene It?
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Too Human
Viva Pinata
Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise
You're in the Movies


Happy?
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Now cut it down to games that are actually out.
 
sol_bad said:
Alan Wake
Amped 3
APB
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Banjo Tooie
Blue Dragon
Crackdown
Dead or Alive 4
Fable 2
Forza 2
Forza 3
Gears of War
Gears of War 2
Geometry Wars Retro Evolved 2
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Infinate Undiscovery
Kameo
Lips
Lost Odyssey
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Ninety Nine Nights
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3
Project Gotham Racing 4
Scene It?
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Too Human
Viva Pinata
Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise
You're in the Movies


Happy?
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Rare is about as third party for Microsoft as it was for Nintendo during the N64 days.

And you still have other third parties there.
 
McLovin said:
Gamecube was awesome.
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Agree.

McLovin said:
Mario Galaxy > Sunshine but sunshine was awesome.
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Agree.

McLovin said:
Windwaker>>>>>Twilight princes
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Disagree.

McLovin said:
MP1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MP3
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Disagree.

McLovin said:
Brawl is about the same IMO.
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Brawl > 64 > Melee

Imo.

McLovin said:
And then theirs RE4, Eternal Darkness, etc.
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RE4 is first party? And even then the Wii has the superior version. Eternal Darkness I'll give, if only because it's exclusive.
 
Well if you include handhelds into the discussion Nintendo wins hands down and its not even close.

With handhelds:
Nintendo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sony>>>>Microsoft

Without handhelds right after Wii Fit came out:
Nintendo>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft>>>Sony

Currently after Nintendos terrible lineup after Wii Fit came out:
Sony>>>Nintendo>Microsoft
 
Andrex said:
Agree.



Agree.



Disagree.



Disagree.



Brawl > 64 > Melee

Imo.



RE4 is first party? And even then the Wii has the superior version. Eternal Darkness I'll give, if only because it's exclusive.
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ok.. well TP is also on the gamecube so >:P
 
I know it's frowned upon to say things like, 'Holy fuck this thread is some goddamn stupid shit', but...Holy fuck this thread is some goddamn stupid shit. Seriously.
 
The PS1 and PS2 were my main consoles but for some reason I've never been a fan of Sony's first party games. They were all technically well done, especially today but something about it just isn't appealing to me. Which doesn't make sense considering it's all very different studios but there's the same feel, I find that quite interesting.

The PS3 is great for a number of reasons, but if I buy one it's not gonna be for Sony's games I think.
 
I feel like Sony becomes the Microsoft of last gen, putting too much effort on Western shooter and lost what's special about them.

Ratchet, Jak and Sly become Resistance, Uncharted and Infamous. All platformers turn into shooters of some kind.

Then we have Killzone 2. And a heavy emphasis on hardcore artsy downloadable games.

Everything that people relate to a Playstation brand is gone and end up with a lot of less character-driven or mascot title that reminds them 'oh this is Playstation'.

Everything becomes so hardcore now at Sony's console it lost its charm of being the console with the most varied style of games. It still has it share of games from other genre, but so was the original Xbox - people usually relate it as a console with a lot of shooters.
 
first party list warz 4 dis gen

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After Burner II
Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
Alien Storm
Altered Beast
Arrow Flash
Art Alive!
Ayrton Senna's Super Monaco GP II
Beyond Oasis / Story of Thor
Bio-Hazard Battle
Body Count
Bonanza Brothers
Chakan: The Forever Man
Columns
Columns III
Comix Zone
Crack Down
Crusader of Centy / Soleil
David Robinson's Supreme Court
Decap Attack
Dick Tracy
Dinosaurs for Hire
Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
Ecco the Dolphin
Ecco the Tides of Time
Ecco Jr.
ESWAT: City Under Siege
Eternal Champions
Fatal Labyrinth
Flicky
G-LOC: Air Battle
Golden Axe
Golden Axe II
Golden Axe III
Greatest Heavyweights
Greendog: The Beached Surfer Dude!
Jewel Master
Kid Chameleon
Last Battle
Menacer 6-game cartridge
Michael Jackson's Moonwalker
Mystic Defender
NHL All-Star Hockey '95
Ooze, The
OutRun
OutRun 2019
OutRunners
Pat Riley Basketball / Super Real Basketball
Pengo
Phantasy Star II
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium
Quackshot starring Donald Duck
Rambo III
Revenge of Shinobi
Ristar
Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi
Shining Force
Shining Force II
Shining in the Darkness
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic Spinball
Space Harrier II
Spider-Man vs The Kingpin
Sports Talk Baseball
Streets of Rage
Streets of Rage 2
Streets of Rage 3
Super Fantasy Zone
Super Hang-On
Super Monaco GP
Super Thunder Blade
Sword of Vermilion
Taz-Mania
Toe Jam & Earl
Toe Jam & Earl 2: Panic on Funkotron
Toki: Going Ape Spit
Tommy Lasorda Baseball
Turbo OutRun
Vectorman
Vectorman 2
Virtua Fighter 2
Virtua Racing
Wimbledon Championship Tennis
Wings of Wor
Wonder Boy III: Monster Lair
Wonder Boy in Monster World
World Championship Soccer
World Championship Soccer 2
World of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck
Wrestle War
 
billy.sea said:
I feel like Sony becomes the Microsoft of last gen, putting too much effort on Western shooter and lost what's special about them.

Ratchet, Jak and Sly become Resistance, Uncharted and Infamous. All platformers turn into shooters of some kind.
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There has been 2 PS3 Ratchets and a thrid on the way. Sucker Punch has said they don't think Sly is gone forever, Jak PS3 is imminent.

To me it seems sony is appealing to a different group now but in the end will have everyone satisfied.

billy.sea said:
Everything that people relate to a Playstation brand is gone and end up with a lot of less character-driven or mascot title that reminds them 'oh this is Playstation'.

Everything becomes so hardcore now at Sony's console it lost its charm of being the console with the most varied style of games. It still has it share of games from other genre, but so was the original Xbox - people usually relate it as a console with a lot of shooters.
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This I just disagree with.
 
polyh3dron said:
They do, but how many great ones have we seen on the Wii so far? Nintendo's first party output (as far as "core" games go, love that label) for the Gamecube was a MILLION times better than the Wii is at this point.
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Gamecube had some great first party games, don't get me wrong - i'm still waiting for something as cool as luigi's mansion or eternal darkness. But all the same, in less than two and a half years we'll have had:

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Wario Ware Smooth Moves
Mario Party 8
Smash Bros Brawl
Mario Strikers Charged
Mario Kart Wii
Excite Truck
Excite Bots (lets face it, it rocks before its even out)
DISASTER: Day of Crisis
Animal Crossing: Lets go to the City
Batallion Wars II
Geometry Wars Galaxies (Nintendo brokered Kuju / Bizarre deal)
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games (leasing Mario characters out to SEGA and publishing in some regions)
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Super Paper Mario
Dr Mario & Germbuster
Endless Ocean
Kororinpa: Marble Mania (NOE published)
Mario Super Sluggers
Punch Out

I'm probably forgetting stuff. Thats in addition to some of the best Gamecube games being given renewed life on Wii, and all the perfectly fun gaming offered by Nintendo's more casually focussed games like Wii Sports, etc. Add the fact that a lot of those series are going online on home consoles for the first time. The third party situation is different (not necessarily better) on Wii (Mad World, FFCC My Life as a King, Crystal Defenders, Crystal Bearers, FFIV the after years, Capcom VS Tatsunoko, HOTD: Overkill, Dead Space Extraction, RE:UC/DSC, Overlord, Indiana Jones, TMNT Smash Up, Dragon Quest X, Monster Hunter 3, Sam and Max, Strong Bad, de Blob, etc)

Sometimes its hard to cut through the shovelware reality to see that it does get lots of good, or potentially good games. The kind of stuff thats sadly missing is Rogue Squadron, or Resident Evil main series, the likes of Viewtiful Joe... a lot of that is simply due to a lot of pubs leaning heavily toward HD development. But Factor 5 have got two wii games in the works allegedly, and there are likely a few years left in the thing for other games to be announced/released.

I'm confident that before Wii HD or whatever is released, Wii will have had the superior library (vs Gamecube)
 
If we're strictly talking about games developed within the first-party companies, there are quite a lot of games to discount.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl was made by Sora, Hal Labs, and Game Arts, none of which were Nintendo. Resistance and Ratchet & Clank were developed by Insomniac. They aren't Sony. Gears of War is Epic, and they're not Microsoft.

I think a full list of games developed within each first party looks something like this:

Microsoft:
Kameo Elements of Power (Rare)
Perfect Dark Zero (Rare)
Viva Piñata (Rare)
Forza Motorsports 2 (Turn 10 Studios)
Halo 3 (Bungie at the time)
Viva Piñata: Party Animals (Rare)
Diddy Kong Racing DS (Rare)
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise (Rare)
Fable II (Lionhead Studios)
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (Rare)
Halo Wars (Ensemble Studios)
Flight Simulator X (ACES)

Sony:
World Tour Soccer (SCE London)
World Tour Soccer 2 (SCE London)
Fired Up (SCE London)
Beats (SCE London)
Aqua Vita (SCE London)
Singstar (SCE London)
Singstar Vol. 2 (SCE London)
Singstar Vol. 3 (SCE London)
Wipeout Pure (SCE Liverpool)
Wipeout Pulse (SCE Liverpool)
Wipeout HD (SCE Liverpool)
NBA 07 (SCE San Diego)
The Eye of Judgment (SCE Japan)
F1 Championship Edition (SCE Liverpool)
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Polyphony Digital)
MLB 07: The Show (SCEA)
MotorStorm (Evolution Studios)
NBA 08 (SCE San Diego)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Naughty Dog)
Warhawk (Incognito/SCE Santa Monica)
Hot Shots Golf 5 (Clap Hanz)
MLB 08: The Show (SCEA)
NBA 09 (SCE San Diego)
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift (Evolution Studios)
Killzone 2 (Guerilla)
MLB 09: The Show (SCEA)
Calling All Cars! (Incognito)
Piyotama (SCE Japan)
High Velocity Bowling (SCE San Diego)
Echochrome (SCE Japan)
Siren Blood Curse (SCE Japan)
The Last Guy (SCE Japan)
Ape Escape: On the Loose (SCE Japan)
Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee (Clap Hanz)
Medieval Resurrection (SCE Cambridge)
Twisted Metal: Head On (Incognito)
Killzone Liberation (Guerilla)
LocoRoco (SCE Japan)
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (Sony Bend)
Pursuit Force: Extreme Justice (Bigbig)
Syphon Filter: Combat Ops (Sony Bend)
Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow (Sony Bend)
Hot Shots Golf Portable 2 (Clap Hanz)
Patapon (SCE Japan)
LocoRoco 2 (SCE Japan)
Patapon 2 (SCE Japan)
Resistance Retribution (Sony Bend)

Nintendo:
Wii Sports (EAD)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (EAD)
WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Intelligent Systems)
Wii Play (EAD)
Super Paper Mario (Intelligent Systems)
Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (EAD)
Pokemon Battle Revolution (Genius Sonority)
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Retro Studios)
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (Intelligent Systems)
Super Mario Galaxy (EAD Tokyo)
Link's Crossbow Training (EAD)
Wii Chess (EAD)
Mario Kart Wii (EAD)
Wii Fit (EAD)
Wii Music (EAD)
Disaster: Day of Crisis (Monolith Soft)
Animal Crossing: City Folk (EAD)
New Play Control: Donkey Kong Jungle Beat (EAD Tokyo)
New Play Control: Pikmin (EAD)
New Plpay Control: Metroid Prime (Retro Studios)
Super Mario 64 DS (EAD)
Ridge Racer DS (NST)
Band Brothers (R&D2)
WarioWare Touched (R&D1)
Yoshi Touch & Go (EAD)
Advance Wars: Dual Strike (Intelligent Systems)
Nintendogs (EAD)
Mario Kart DS (EAD)
Animal Crossing: Wild World (EAD)
Metroid Prime Hunters (NST)
Tetris DS
Brain Age (EAD)
New Super Mario Bros. (EAD)
Big Brain Academy (EAD)
Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2 (NST)
Magical Starsign (Genius Sonority)
Planet Puzzle League (Intelligent Systems)
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum (Gamefreak)
Brain Age 2 (EAD)
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (EAD)
Jet Impulse (EAD)
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (Intelligent Systems)
Soma Bringer (Monolith Soft)
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (Intelligent Systems)
Rhythm Heaven (Intelligent Systems)
 
AniHawk said:
If we're strictly talking about games developed within the first-party companies, there are quite a lot of games to discount.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl was made by Sora, Hal Labs, and Game Arts, none of which are Nintendo. Resistance and Ratchet & Clank were developed by Insomniac. They aren't Sony. Gears of War is Epic, and they're not Microsoft.

I think a full list of games developed within each first party looks something like this:

*List
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As soon as someone gets logical people stop responding.

Oh Gaf :lol
 
MvmntInGrn said:
There has been 2 PS3 Ratchets and a thrid on the way. Sucker Punch has said they don't think Sly is gone forever, Jak PS3 is imminent.

To me it seems sony is appealing to a different group now but in the end will have everyone satisfied.
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I think to sum up what I want to say is, the games on the PS3 are much less approachable than the games on the PS2. It's not only the price of the hardware that is hard for consumers to get into, the games are also very hardcore compare to last generation.

On retail we have a lot of hardcore shooters, and even on the download side we have all the high-end artsy games like Flower or Pixel Junk Eden.

To me, I feel this is equivalent to giving movie viewers only oscar-level artsy film and not the mass consumers movie like Spiderman or Harry Potter.

Don't get me wrong, I think the games are great, but I just think they are not very approachable by the masses.

Everything about the PS3 give people an image that it is high-end, expensive to afford, hard to approach.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Zelda TP is the 3rd ugliest game of this, and last, generation. It's also quite bad.
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It's really quite beautiful. It's very obvious they put so much more effort into TP's graphics and style than any other Zelda's.
 
billy.sea said:
I think to sum up what I want to say is, the games on the PS3 are much less approachable than the games on the PS2. It's not only the price of the hardware that is hard for consumers to get into, the games are also very hardcore compare to last generation.

On retail we have a lot of hardcore shooters, and even on the download side we have all the high-end artsy games like Flower or Pixel Junk Eden.
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Er, what? First of all, what in the hell is "hardcore" about shooters? Also, what? Team Ico games are plenty arty farty (and also quite bad), so it's hardly a new thing for Sony.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
Er, what? First of all, what in the hell is "hardcore" about shooters? Also, what? Team Ico games are plenty arty farty (and also quite bad), so it's hardly a new thing for Sony.
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Quiet, you.
 
Andrex said:
It's really quite beautiful. It's very obvious they put so much more effort into TP's graphics and style than any other Zelda's.
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It really isn't. The Wind Waker, that was a beautiful game. TP is just another smudged, low res, poorly detailed yet oddly cluttered mess.
 
AniHawk said:
I guess we can't expect anyone who likes post-crash-bandicoot Naughty Dog games to have remotely good taste in anything.
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hey i take offense to that so i fixed it up for you.

i charge $20 CAD.
 
AniHawk said:
If we're strictly talking about games developed within the first-party companies, there are quite a lot of games to discount.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl was made by Sora, Hal Labs, and Game Arts, none of which were Nintendo. Resistance and Ratchet & Clank were developed by Insomniac. They aren't Sony. Gears of War is Epic, and they're not Microsoft.
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fixed.
 
PepsimanVsJoe said:
I never bought a system for the first-party games so eh.
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I bought a PS3 for Sony games, or specifically, games from Insomniac, Sucker Punch, former Psygnosis and Santa Monica Studios. Needless to say, it hasn't been an overwhelmingly positive experience so far.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
It really isn't. The Wind Waker, that was a beautiful game. TP is just another smudged, low res, poorly detailed yet oddly cluttered mess.
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This sounds like a lot of games when you get down to it. :P
 
godhandiscen said:
Too late to predict the thread, but are the most people disagreeing saying that Nintendo's first party lineup is superior, and holding that Mario Galaxy alone is worth 10 other first party titles? That would be the only way I see a fanboy could come up with an argument against the OP.
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speaking from a personal perspective--and i should note that i haven't taken a stance in any direction here--most of the games listed in the o.p. are things that fall under umbrellas of games that hold no interest to me whatsoever. the only racing games i've enjoyed in the past ten years have been either burnout or kart-based; it takes a very special kind of shooter for me to be interested, and the the ones that do are typically the ones that deliver unique experiences with a rich fiction underlying that experience (bioshock, half-life series); uncharted, often touted as the lineup's headliner, struck me as a sad mishmash of poor man's gears of war and poor man's p.o.p.: sands of time, buttressed by very nice voice acting that did a good job hiding the fact that the mechanics weren't very strong but not nearly a good job enough.

as for ratchet and clank, i love them, but to say that you can't get your fill of ratchet and clank on ps2 and save yourself the money is just silly.

there are plenty of interesting looking games coming out that make ps3 an interesting and viable option (INFAMOUS, the promise of an eventual SLY COOPER game, whatever team ico releases, etc.), but a bunch of pretty racing games, shooters that are solid for owners of the system but nothing i would play for more than an hour before turning away bored, and some high-definition versions of ps2 games aren't exactly the things that convince me that their first party lineup is the second coming.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
Gamecube had some great first party games, don't get me wrong - i'm still waiting for something as cool as luigi's mansion or eternal darkness. But all the same, in less than two and a half years we'll have had:

* whole shitload of games that haven't come out*
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Oh come on this is just more "Wait for x".
 
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