Best First Party this Gen doesn't even seem like a close contest
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Snipes424 said:
Because one of the greatest companies ever to produce hardware in this god-forsaken industry became a shell of its former self after producing one of the best designed consoles of all time and unleashing so much awesome 1st party support that it impressed God Himself?
It's because we lived through SEGA's fall. We don't want that to happen again.
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I Push Fat Kids said:
Nonsense. Maybe they would have augmented the Ps2, but power and media functions are essential to Sony due to its CE business.
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Azih said:
Well, if you really want to make it an objective argument, you could take it two ways.
1: the best exclusives for the platform maker. They are the ones that produce more sales and push the platform more than the others. PS3 ones clearly aren't.
2: the best exclusives for the gamers. The ones that gamers show they want most, by buying them. PS3 ones clearly aren't.
(hint: Nintendo rules in both)
So, what are you talking about? The exclusives YOU like more? Oh well...
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TheGreatDave said:
But, of course, Sony's first party line up is fantastic. I own a PS3 for that very reason.
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great first party games on each system.
Rhazer Fusion
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I also think Sony has the best first party this gen by a considerable mile. The only problem is most people cannot get access to it due to the system's price.
pseudocaesar
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I agree, this gen, your just seeing far more quality AND quantity released by Sony's stable.
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zoukka said:
Production values, Warhawk? The fuck? Who even considers that when the sweaty, sticky fun it generates when you 4-way splitscreen in a 32 player CTF server gets so out control? The game doesn't even have a campaign for fuck's sake, it exists only for the purest funological reasons.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
and as a listed company, profits are paramount.
Of course, i know sony expect to hit the huge $$$ from Bluray, but that may or may not happen. As a listed company with a time machine, a sure fire WIN and a recent inability/aversion to good news, i'm sure they'd at least think about it.
Alternatively, that would probably just give them more cash to p1ss up against the wall on amazing ideas like thier new Ipod touch copies at 50,000 yen a pop, or a pocket viao (i can only assume they meant Kangaroo pockets/pockets on an elephants jacket)
ZombieSupaStar
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eh I dunno, I just dont love my ps3 that much, dont love my wii too much either, but mario galaxy was the shit back when I got it.
just sayin...
just sayin...
Azih said:
There's no doubt that Sony has the best first-party this gen...
but so what?
It hasn't guaranteed them anything. If they didn't spend their budget developing Killzone 2 and instead spent that money securing exclusivity for Call of Duty 4 for example, it would have a much bigger payoff in terms of sales. And even if they develop key games, they don't do a good job at selling them (LittleBigPlanet, Uncharted, Killzone 2).
First party blah blah blah blah. It matters to Sony but not to the typical gamer apart from the platform exclusivity status of the game developed that is granted from being first-party. So what if Sony have a WWS and they have cutting edge technology in KZ2 and Uncharted? They're overall still incredibly badly managed. We can excuse the early failures due to Kutaragi but bad moves persist throughout this generation.. to the extent that I'd say them having a great first-party lineup is being impeded by them being poorly managed and marketed.
Houston3000
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I agree that Sony, so far, has the best exclusives this generation
Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, and LittleBigPlanet alone kind of set the bar. Then you got your Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Resistance 1 & 2, Motorstorm 1 & 2, Valkrya Chronicles, etc... that bring tons of great AAA titles and variety. Once you begin counting the downloadable games though like Wipeout HD, Siren Blood Curse, Flower, Pixeljunk Eden & Monsters, SSHD, and the like they really got a great thing going. Not even mentioning upcoming games like GT5, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3.
For how much Microsoft was able to influence the change of so many games to multiplatform this gen, Sony still continues to maintain the most impressive line-up of exclusives.
Edit: To be clear, Super Mario Galaxy is not a "line-up".
Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, and LittleBigPlanet alone kind of set the bar. Then you got your Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Resistance 1 & 2, Motorstorm 1 & 2, Valkrya Chronicles, etc... that bring tons of great AAA titles and variety. Once you begin counting the downloadable games though like Wipeout HD, Siren Blood Curse, Flower, Pixeljunk Eden & Monsters, SSHD, and the like they really got a great thing going. Not even mentioning upcoming games like GT5, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3.
For how much Microsoft was able to influence the change of so many games to multiplatform this gen, Sony still continues to maintain the most impressive line-up of exclusives.
Edit: To be clear, Super Mario Galaxy is not a "line-up".
shykyoichi
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Your thread title says 1st party, not exclusives.Azih said:
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Aaron Strife said:
Just because SMG was the last AAA title to hit the wii, doesn't mean you need to list it 30 times.
It doesn't matter though.. Nintendo could have released one AAA title and 3 average games and Nintendo fans would think it has the best first party lineup no matter what...
Only Nintendo fans think their first party studios are untouchable when recently besides SMG they haven't really been above and beyond like they once were.
manueldelalas
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I think SONY's first party lineup suffers from mediocrity.
Their games are good, but they aren't special.
Uncharted is a pretty Tomb Raider with some Gears of Wars and PoP. The game is excellent, but it does nothing new.
Killzone 2 is another shooter; a great one with pretty graphics, but nothing that haven't been done before (and this generation has delivered in the same genre a lot of games).
Ratchet and Clank is the same old Ratchet and Clank with better graphics.
Wipeout is the same.
Resistance is the same as Killzone.
Motorstorm is your average racer with awesome physics and graphics. Hell, most gaffers prefer the superior Excite Truck to this (which is a lot more original).
And I could go on and on.
The only "different" (retail) game they have released is LBP, and it failed to do anything because it was released to a userbase accustomed on getting more of the same with better graphics.
The difference with Nintendo's games, is that Nintendo has been disruptive this generation.
They have this awesome Wii Fit software (that was not cheap to make); that is so successful that even my mom talked to me about the Wii and Wii Fit (she has never even mentioned a console before).
Wii Sports and Wii Play are little experiments that changed the way we play many successful or not types of games.
You have the old games with some sort of special add on, that have been greatly successful (Mario Kart, Wario Ware, Mario Party, etc).
Then you see the games that are more of the same, but better, the "core" games (Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Smash, Zelda, Metroid, etc) and they have sold a comparable amount of what those series always sell.
And you see people preferring playing sports games with the Wii remote (Tiger Woods is a good example). Also there are two big companies right now fighting for the next big hit tennis game on the Wii.
You see people preferring the Wii versions of snowboards games (Shaun...) because of the balance board.
You see, the problem with the PS3 is that the only new things it brought are a good (not great) and free online infrastructure, and Blu-Ray playing capabilities, and most of the games suffer the "most of the same with better graphics" stigma (deserved).
In the end, the people have spoken. Wii first party lineup is by far the best and it is not even a close contest. Fight for the second place.
Their games are good, but they aren't special.
Uncharted is a pretty Tomb Raider with some Gears of Wars and PoP. The game is excellent, but it does nothing new.
Killzone 2 is another shooter; a great one with pretty graphics, but nothing that haven't been done before (and this generation has delivered in the same genre a lot of games).
Ratchet and Clank is the same old Ratchet and Clank with better graphics.
Wipeout is the same.
Resistance is the same as Killzone.
Motorstorm is your average racer with awesome physics and graphics. Hell, most gaffers prefer the superior Excite Truck to this (which is a lot more original).
And I could go on and on.
The only "different" (retail) game they have released is LBP, and it failed to do anything because it was released to a userbase accustomed on getting more of the same with better graphics.
The difference with Nintendo's games, is that Nintendo has been disruptive this generation.
They have this awesome Wii Fit software (that was not cheap to make); that is so successful that even my mom talked to me about the Wii and Wii Fit (she has never even mentioned a console before).
Wii Sports and Wii Play are little experiments that changed the way we play many successful or not types of games.
You have the old games with some sort of special add on, that have been greatly successful (Mario Kart, Wario Ware, Mario Party, etc).
Then you see the games that are more of the same, but better, the "core" games (Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Smash, Zelda, Metroid, etc) and they have sold a comparable amount of what those series always sell.
And you see people preferring playing sports games with the Wii remote (Tiger Woods is a good example). Also there are two big companies right now fighting for the next big hit tennis game on the Wii.
You see people preferring the Wii versions of snowboards games (Shaun...) because of the balance board.
You see, the problem with the PS3 is that the only new things it brought are a good (not great) and free online infrastructure, and Blu-Ray playing capabilities, and most of the games suffer the "most of the same with better graphics" stigma (deserved).
In the end, the people have spoken. Wii first party lineup is by far the best and it is not even a close contest. Fight for the second place.
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The winner of the thread is madness.Jocchan said:
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Shikamaru Ninja
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First party refers to the hardware manufacturer. Third party to a licensee publisher. That's all that is really relevant.
Besides to be technical, games nowadays are being developed by 2-3 studios cooperatively. It' be nothing but a debate to try and credit games based on developer studios origin.
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Vinci said:
Well I guess though according to this thread the Dreamcast wasn't one of the greatest systems of all time because it didn't sell well. And all the games for it suck and WiiFit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mario Galaxy. And nintendogs is the game of the generation.
Do people actually believe sony is going to go out of business this generation. Sega is just a poorly run company I don't ever recall them being profitable since the saturn days. Some companies just have poor management.
I love my dreamcast. first and only console i ever bought launch day. we miss you sega
Has anyone posted battle-for-second-place-is-moot.jpg yet?
Anyways, I think overall they're doing a good job. SCEJ has dropped the ball a bit so far this gen though. But overall in terms of their publishing portfolio, and perhaps with special mention to PSN, I'm very pleased with their output, particularly since last year.
Anyways, I think overall they're doing a good job. SCEJ has dropped the ball a bit so far this gen though. But overall in terms of their publishing portfolio, and perhaps with special mention to PSN, I'm very pleased with their output, particularly since last year.
daegan said:
Why do we care, we still get to play the games. Even in the worst case scenario of the PS3 never being a runaway success, these franchises and/or developers will just shuffle to another camp.
Any sadness I feel is for the people who miss out on these franchises because they're stuck in the land of "I only play FPS's" that the 360 had created for many gamers.
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